[Confirmed] Walker back to Spurs

[Grecian2000]

Well regardless of what the circumstances of the loan and the recall and the general disappointment at the whole state of affairs was, I would just like to say:

Kyle Walker, in my opinion, has been, consistently, our best player this season. Only Morgs at the back and Ward (and he's missed too many games) further forward have even come close to his level of consistency.
Good luck to him as it's been a joy to watch him perform amongst a sea of mediocrity.

Well done Kyle.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Well regardless of what the circumstances of the loan and the recall and the general disappointment at the whole state of affairs was, I would just like to say:

Kyle Walker, in my opinion, has been, consistently, our best player this season. Only Morgs at the back and Ward (and he's missed too many games) further forward have even come close to his level of consistency.
Good luck to him as it's been a joy to watch him perform amongst a sea of mediocrity.

Well done Kyle.

Agreed. Wonderful young talent. England full back within 5 years. You heard it here first.......

Very sad he's not a blade anymore. Good luck to him. Im glad he's at a club with some ambition. He's too good for our waste of time club.

 

[lenners]

Len i have to admire the mental gymnastics you go through in order to criticise United, only pointing out the positives when they can be used against us to make a greater negative point.

Bravo, truly an outstanding performance.

Of course you do realise that when all a person gives is unequivocal criticism, it basically renders all said criticism from that person irrelevant, because there is no yardstick by which to gauge anything they say?


It's not rocket science.

Yes, I've never said anything positive about United or, in fact, Kyle Walker.
I really do wonder if it is the schools, Thatcher or the parents.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Irrespective of the spats, for me the only ray of light in the past year and a half has been watching our own two , young full backs bombing up and own the flanks without the fear modern football instills in people who take risks and play with a smile on their face.

Now, it's gone. And all there is left to argue about are different shades of grey.

Amen brother...

 

[AJM]

Yes, I've never said anything positive about United or, in fact, Kyle Walker.
I really do wonder if it is the schools, Thatcher or the parents.

Definitely Thatcher.

The day my free milk went, I felt my brain begin to atrophy.

 

[sitwell]

Irrespective of the spats, for me the only ray of light in the past year and a half has been watching our own two , young full backs bombing up and own the flanks without the fear modern football instills in people who take risks and play with a smile on their face.

Now, it's gone. And all there is left to argue about are different shades of grey.

Agree with that but substitute the fear of modern football for the restrictions of a managers fear. The reason our players are so inhibited and the reason why some players are and will not be here.

 

[Bladesman]

Gutted to find this is confirmed.

What a joke and another step backwards in our goal for promotion.

No suprise though we usually end up disappointed come the end of the January transfer window. The double signing was just a smokescreen for another kick in the balls.

 

[boo radley]

Remarkable. How many clean sheets is it in recent home matches?
This has all been achieved with our right back playing poorly, being defensively naive etc?
Spurs need to recall him because he's been playing poorly and isn't progressing?
Ferk me, calling occupants of interplanetary craft.

The clean sheets are down to other players making up for Walker?

Hey Len, Just remind me again of the last league goal we conceeded at home and how it came about?

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Irrespective of the spats, for me the only ray of light in the past year and a half has been watching our own two , young full backs bombing up and own the flanks without the fear modern football instills in people who take risks and play with a smile on their face.

Now, it's gone. And all there is left to argue about are different shades of grey.

How very true.

I'm not bothered about the blame game; i'm just bitterly disappointed that the only young talent genuinely produced by the club in my lifetime no longer play in the red and white of Sheffield United.

Typical United. Agree a non-beneficial deal for ourselves. If we had any sense we would not have agreed a recall clause which is obviously what was in the deal. That was clearly all bollocks about having first option on loan players as well - NOTHING CHANGES!

Shouldnt have sold Walker in the first place. The sensible thing would have been to cash in on Naughton and keep Walker but no......apparently we had no choice......there is always a choice!

I agree with the above, except that I do want to know who is to blame for this fiasco. Cast your minds back to when we originally heard that United had accepted an offer for Naughton. Many of us were disappointed but thought at least we already had a ready-made replacement in Walker.

Then United suddenly announced that Walker was going to be sold too. But that's ok we're going to bring him back on a season-long loan. Trust us, it says so on our website. At least you can enjoy him for one more season....

On top of that, we've played hardball with Spurs and have negotiated the first refusal on any of their squad who might be going out on loan and don't forget that we're going to use the money to strengthen the squad. We've already made big money bids for Smith, McIndoe and Evans and we're also willing to splash out big wages for the likes of Lita.


Fast forward a few months and Walker has been recalled with us apparently powerless to prevent it. Naughton has gone out on loan to Boro and not only did we not get first refusal, Spurs also allegedly kept us in the dark that we'd be desperately needing a new right back within hours. The big money signings (Evans apart) mysteriously failed to materialise, Kilgallon and Cotterill were also sold and free transfers and loan players were used to plug the gaps.

Why didn't United negotiate a full-season loan for Walker? Why did they announce that they had, when they hadn't?

What agreement did we actually negotiate with Spurs regarding loan players? Why announce that it's a key part of the deal if it's completely worthless and never going to be utilised?

What has the money we've received since June for Naughton, Walker, Howard, Bromby, Kilgallon and Cotterill been spent on? What has the money we bid for McIndoe, Smith and Lita been spent on? Are United ever going to stop being a selling club and if not, can they please stop putting a dishonest "spin" on the transfer dealings?

 

[super_pig]

>Where is your proof
heh.. one to the mighty GC ;-)

 

[super_pig]

>It's not rocket science.
it is rocket engineering ..the science is well understood and has been for quite some time .. it is 'making' the damned things that is difficult

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Where did you read all that Bob?

Back of a milk carton.

Where did you see Ched's cost being £2.25 Million.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

If he WANTS to be a Blades player, he's an idiot.

I know he isn't happy about going back to Spurs, and wanted to stay until the summer.

I still think once the loan market is open again he may be back at the club.
We will have agreed to contribute to his wages and Spurs will be able to call him back whenever they like. If Spurs hadn't acted yesterday they wouldn't of been able to recall him.

 

[Pinchy]

You may be right Bob but then we have to note the 93 day rule.

 

[lenners]

Back of a milk carton.

Where did you see Ched's cost being £2.25 Million.

I take it you don't actually have a source. Poor love, you know you shouldn't attempt arguing with me, you'll always come off second best.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Kevin McCabe on the Kyles;

"Well the overall package for the two lads is a £10 million package. Of which £8 million is guaranteed. Now, for me, that's a starting deal that for two youngsters, one of whom has played five league games. I think it was very well negotiated. And the rest is on appearances, there's also sell-on conditions if the two lads are sold by Tottenham for more than they've paid for them. I think it's been very well negotiated and tell me a better one."

"Well, the actual split is £6 million and £4 million. With £3 million for Kyle W guaranteed with £1M on appearances and £5 million for Kyle N guaranteed and £1 million on appearances."

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Kevin McCabe on Ched;

"The way we purchased him is in stages, obviously, quite a bit's on appearance money as well as transfer fees to be paid over the next couple of seasons."

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I know he isn't happy about going back to Spurs, and wanted to stay until the summer.

I still think once the loan market is open again he may be back at the club.
We will have agreed to contribute to his wages and Spurs will be able to call him back whenever they like. If Spurs hadn't acted yesterday they wouldn't of been able to recall him.

Or out on loan to another club if our special friends Spurs can get a better deal elsewhere?!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I take it you don't actually have a source. Poor love, you know you shouldn't attempt arguing with me, you'll always come off second best.

Jesus Len, you do have a high opinion of yourself.

Where is your source about Ched? Hypocrisy Fail!

The figure was quoted by McCabe in the fans meeting. This was on the radio and noted by Linz from this site I believe. It was also stated in the local media and the same figure was quoted by Redknapp about the deal being £8 Million upfront.

In fact it's pretty much the figure quoted everywhere in regards to the move.

So back to your source about Ched costing £2.25M. Can you provide one now that I have obliged?
Are you sticking to your earlier statement of not buying a season ticket next season?
What about our attendances? Why haven't they fallen as you predicted for the past 2-3 seasons?

 

[lenners]

Jesus Len, you do have a high opinion of yourself.

Where is your source about Ched? Hypocrisy Fail!

The figure was quoted by McCabe in the fans meeting. This was on the radio and noted by Linz from this site I believe. It was also stated in the local media and the same figure was quoted by Redknapp about the deal being £8 Million upfront.

In fact it's pretty much the figure quoted everywhere in regards to the move.

So back to your source about Ched costing £2.25M. Can you provide one now that I have obliged?
Are you sticking to your earlier statement of not buying a season ticket next season?
What about our attendances? Why haven't they fallen as you predicted for the past 2-3 seasons?

To clarify, you accept McCabe's word on the Kyles but not on Chedwyn.
Why is this?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

As previously stated.

Kevin McCabe on Ched;

"The way we purchased him is in stages, obviously, quite a bit's on appearance money as well as transfer fees to be paid over the next couple of seasons."

The Walker/Naughton deal was also quoted as those figures by the majority of the press and I believe it was also in last years figures as an amendment.

The Ched figure hasn't appeared anywhere, just as a rising to figure. You have failed on numerous occasions to provide any evidence of him costing the £3 Million you claimed.

You thinking of answering a question any time soon?

 

[Kentblade]

No idea why people are having a pop at Redknapp and Spurs.

He is their player. They own him and if SUFC have said somewhere it is a season long loan when it isn't, what has that got to do with Spurs? If Spurs have said it in August on their OS then we as SUFC fans have been conned but officials at SUFC must have known this was a possibility.

I would imagine they have seen he is head and shoulders above the rest in CCC and looked best player on pitch at Bolton and thought we'll have him back in line with the agreement signed in Ausgust.

Nowt to do with Spurs if our pathetic manager chooses to build his plans around loan players.

I would change that to club policy and I am not a Blackie fan btw.
UTB

 

[lenners]

As previously stated.

The Walker/Naughton deal was also quoted as those figures by the majority of the press and I believe it was also in last years figures as an amendment.

The Ched figure hasn't appeared anywhere, just as a rising to figure. You have failed on numerous occasions to provide any evidence of him costing the £3 Million you claimed.

You thinking of answering a question any time soon?

I did advise you not to argue with me.
So, your basis is being quoted by the majority of the press.
What is the figure quoted by the majority of the press for Chedwyn?
Another part of your basis is a quote by McCabe which includes no figures.
Are you sure you haven't seen McCabe quoting a £3m fee being paid?
Have you read this year's accounts?

 

[Kentblade]

The owners sold them, the owners got us in a situation where this could happen, the owners were happy for everyone to believe Walker was here for the season, the owners are responsible for creating a team in which the only player worth watching can go 50 minutes before the closing of the window.
As for Ched, I can only advise you to look in the accounts as I think you've been advised to do several times now.
We sold Walker for £2m, spent more on Evans and look at where we are now.
The club's a fucking joke.

Selling Walker for the figure quoted was a huge mistake as imo he could well turn out to be better than Naughton.
UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

This isn't arguing Len, this is you stating opinion which you can't back up with any facts.

I've answered your questions, you can't/won't answer mine which is damning to your argument.

McCabe quoted a £3 Million fee and also stipulated that this was in stages, obviously, quite a bit's on appearance money as well as transfer fees to be paid over the next couple of seasons.

You said it was £3 million up front, that isn't true and never has been. You can't provide any evidence to back it up (even quotes as I have), just as your can't back up your claim that Walker was sold for £2 Million.
My basis is quote directly from the powers that be in our club. I could also say that in your own words you said our outgoings on players this season was £3 Million therefore proving that Ched can't of been a £3 Million upfront transfer. But you can't produce these figures so we have to file them with the rest of your bullshit claims; your falling attendances, Ward a bad buy and Walker costing £2 Million.

To say you aren't in the mood for this you certainly seem to be picking up Len.



:fishy:

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Why doesn't everyone say how much we think we've paid for him, and then we take the average?

This will save us refreshing the page only to find people arguing about the same pointless shit they were 2 months ago.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why don't we just use the figures that have been published in the clubs accounts or stated by the club unless they can be proven wrong.
McCabe never said Ched was £3 Million upfront, but Len sticks to this figure. Also no one apart from Len has said Walker wasn't sold for £3 million plus another million on appearances.

Do you see the trend here?

We will have to wait until next years for Cheds figures in the official accounts but I bet Len still won't have it, just like he will back down on not getting a season ticket next season.

 

[Revolution]

Who gives a crap.

Shouldn't have sold Walker, and Evans has been a massive disappointment and at times a waste of a first team place. The figures are irrelevant to either argument.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Who gives a crap.

Shouldn't have sold Walker, and Evans has been a massive disappointment and at times a waste of a first team place. The figures are irrelevant to either argument.

Fair enough, I don't agree with either of your opinions and think that as a Championship club the figures are always going to be relevant. It is relevant whether you are buying or selling. In Ched's case it is unfair to judge him as a £3 Million player if he only cost half this. As fans we have an expectation of a player who would of cost £3 Million, you wouldn't have the same expectation of a player who cost half that.

It is interesting to see how many people think we could of/should of kept a player who wanted to leave.

 

[lenners]

This isn't arguing Len, this is you stating opinion which you can't back up with any facts.

I've answered your questions, you can't/won't answer mine which is damning to your argument.

McCabe quoted a £3 Million fee and also stipulated that this was in stages, obviously, quite a bit's on appearance money as well as transfer fees to be paid over the next couple of seasons.

You said it was £3 million up front, that isn't true and never has been. You can't provide any evidence to back it up (even quotes as I have), just as your can't back up your claim that Walker was sold for £2 Million.
My basis is quote directly from the powers that be in our club. I could also say that in your own words you said our outgoings on players this season was £3 Million therefore proving that Ched can't of been a £3 Million upfront transfer. But you can't produce these figures so we have to file them with the rest of your bullshit claims; your falling attendances, Ward a bad buy and Walker costing £2 Million.

To say you aren't in the mood for this you certainly seem to be picking up Len.



:fishy:

How much was it you said we'd paid for Chedwyn?