[CONFIRMED] Surely not? Sky report Wolves in for McDonald

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Balham Blade said:
Club statement:



That is a refreshingly honest bit of communication from the club on the OS.

It sounds like we know that Wolves can double whatever we offer McDonald in terms of wages so there's no contest there so David Weir is banking on being able to convince him to stay on footballing grounds.

It all depends on McDonald - does he want to take the money and the risk at Wolves or stay and be a critical part of DW's United revolution?
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Refreshingly honest or just getting better at lying? Be amazed if he stayed, Wolves can get back to the Premier in 2 years given a fair wind. Our plan is to scrape the play-offs and fluke promotion. Then pretty much be certs to come back down again anyway.

If there really was a release clause, you can bet it wasn't for much more than a bag of quavers.
 

Seems an awfully quiet build up to a big game against one of our expected rivals. Normally we at least sell a player or have a player get sent down the night before a game....
 
Grecian2000 said:
Just regarding any possible release clause he had.

Didn't he spend all last summer "holding out" and only actually signed when most players were long sorted? Surely at that particular point we hold nearly all the cards (i.e. you've tried to get a move all summer and no-one wants you so here's the contract . . . . ) and the contract should be heavily biased in OUR favour. How can we get stitched even at such a late stage in summer negotiations?
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It`s the blades way, that cunt williamson did the same, drawing a wage all through the summer of 2012
 
hello said:
It`s the blades way, that cunt williamson did the same, drawing a wage all through the summer of 2012
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I think Williamson was actually out of contract at the end of the 2011/12 season, so while he was training with us he wasn't actually contracted and wasn't taking a wage. They did offer him a contract but obviously he left.
 
Deadbat said:
It's the same with every sale though. 'We did not have a choice.' 'He wanted to go.' 'The agents got involved.' 'There was a clause.' 'This is the situation we are in.' We are in this situation because of YOU - the owner, chairman and board of SUFC.

My whole grievance is based on the complete and utter mismanagement of SUFC's board of directors over the last 6 or 7 years. This latest cock up is just a small part of it. It seems we were not prepared for this as Weir says we have no back up plan for such a sale and building the whole side/formation around a player that is now going a week into the season; is baffling but sadly predictable for United.

The first chance this club has to make a quick buck they take it. Whatever circumstance and whatever contrived excuse they come up with. I am done with making excuses for them or saying they had no choice etc. They are the ones that write such contracts/transfers/extensions etc that has seen us in such a dire mess.
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If the player has a clause that allows him to sign for another club we don't have a choice. Bid unexpected because you would have thought the bid would have come in the close season. Panic buy from Wolves based on one good game shown on TV ?

If we hadn't signed up KMac at the beginning of last season we would have been seen unambitious by most fans.If Kmac insisted on the get out clause could we really risk calling his bluff. Becuase he had a poor season,no one came in for him.

Weir stated at the beginning of the season some players may go so he has not been misled or lied to by the board.

I agree the board has mismanaged the club for years. However on this occasion,from the signing of the new contract last year up to yesterday,I can't really see what they have done wrong.

Don't forget,if KMac is really as happy as he claims,why would he leave unless he is the same as a lot of footballers and his main motivator is money.
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
Refreshingly honest or just getting better at lying? Be amazed if he stayed, Wolves can get back to the Premier in 2 years given a fair wind. Our plan is to scrape the play-offs and fluke promotion. Then pretty much be certs to come back down again anyway.

If there really was a release clause, you can bet it wasn't for much more than a bag of quavers.
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If the club don't communicate they get abuse,if they do it means 'they are getting better at lying' They can't win.

Out of curiosity ,Ken,which bit of the statement do you think is lies ?
 
Deadbat said:
Another point re - the clause. Small point but surely the clause could have said a club in a league above. Maybe money is money but selling to one of probably rivals (although maybe not now!) for promotion is surely madness and makes us further look totally devoid of ambition. If he had gone to say a Champ side I don't think there would have been as much fuss.
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Go back to when he signed that deal, he was out of contract and there was a lot of noise from the fans about getting that deal done. When the player/agent insists on that clause, when other clubs are interested and have made offered to him, you either agree or lose the player.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Go back to when he signed that deal, he was out of contract and there was a lot of noise from the fans about getting that deal done. When the player/agent insists on that clause, when other clubs are interested and have made offered to him, you either agree or lose the player.
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The clause should have been like the one Suarez has in his contract that allows him to talk to another club if a valuation is met but Liverpool have to agree to sell.
 
Sirius said:
I expect that Man U fans feel this way about the possible sale of Rooney. If similar circumstances dictate their transfer/ or retain policy, I would think that we have less chance of holding on to K. Mac..
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I understood that the Rooney thing was he doesn't like playing for Moyes. Was it Moyes who sold him to Man U in the first place? If so, that reinforces it.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Go back to when he signed that deal, he was out of contract and there was a lot of noise from the fans about getting that deal done. When the player/agent insists on that clause, when other clubs are interested and have made offered to him, you either agree or lose the player.
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That's the thing though. He was a free agent all summer and no one came in for him. Noone. If they had he would have gone. There is no evidence to suggest other clubs were actually interested. It did not seem like if he does not have clause X, he would not re-sign to me? He was out of contract for the whole summer and only resigned on verge of the season. I remember the radio interviews and he was openly touting himself out and still no one came for him.

Of course it's easy to say we had no choice and had our hand forced in order to re-sign him (with clauses etc) but this is a player that was on the scrapheap/no one wanted for two straight summers. It did not seem like clubs were falling over themselves to sign him? United at times make daft decisions and leave themselves open to be derailed very easily. If you have a clause in; make sure it is for more than the bag of smarties we will get (£750,000 - does anyone seriously think it will be more than a couple of hundred grand at best - seriously?) and that he can't go to a divisional rival for promotion (at least in theory). It is the same with Higginbotham; insert a clause that if we go up (then funds don't matter so much) he gets an extension but on games played means is bonkers. I suppose we had to give Cresswell, Doyle, Williams etc had to be given 2 or 3 years as teams were queuing up for them?
 
We all know money talks, nonetheless encouraging:




"A bid of around £750,000 was accepted by Sheffield United yesterday after Wolves triggered a release clause in the 24-year-old’s contract, leaving the Blades powerless to turn down the offer.

The player and his agent travelled to Compton for a medical and talks.

But, after undergoing the medical, it is understood McDonald wanted 24 hours to think over the move with several issues still hanging in the air.

With Wolves having made their pitch, other clubs have now been alerted to McDonald’s position and they could end up in a fight for his signature, similar to that which saw them lose out to Leeds earlier this summer for Luke Murphy.

Desperate to avoid selling their star asset to a League One rival, United are planning to make McDonald a counter offer to entice him to stay.

But even though that package is not expected to top what Wolves have put on the table, McDonald could end up agreeing to stay.

Sources say he wants to talk things through with Blades boss David Weir before making a final decision, which could lead to a change of heart as McDonald is believed to be undecided on his next move.

And it is also understood he is under pressure from his family to stay in south Yorkshire. Either way, head coach Kenny Jackett is determined to press on with his search for new signings as he looks to McDonald to follow the free transfer arrival of new captain Sam Ricketts.

Jackett wants up to five new faces before the transfer window shuts on September 2, with improvements targeted in the wide areas and up front.

“We need to do better on the ball,” said Jackett. “We need players capable of doing that. We’re working hard to get players in at the right price.”
 
Deadbat, I usually enjoy your posts but like most of the other posters in this thread you've fallen into the trap of making assumptions then getting angry about them. We have no idea what offers MacDonald had last season nor what discussions lead to the contract he signed.
 
Cassius Kray said:
Deadbat, I usually enjoy your posts but like most of the other posters in this thread you've fallen into the trap of making assumptions then getting angry about them. We have no idea what offers MacDonald had last season nor what discussions lead to the contract he signed.
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Well after today's results I'd say he's gone!
 

bartman said:
If the club don't communicate they get abuse,if they do it means 'they are getting better at lying' They can't win.

Out of curiosity ,Ken,which bit of the statement do you think is lies ?
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I've got no idea. All i know is every time we sell a player we didn't want to. The player wanted to leave, they had a clause, blah blah blah. Yet we never use the money to sign anybody else. Odd that.

I kind of agree that we may be better off selling to reinvest. Sell Maguire too, cos he isn't worth what we'd get for him. Ship out Doyle, Williams, Westlake, Porter, Higginarse, McMahon, Ironside, Flynn and use all the money to sign 6 or 7 new players. But we all know the chances of Weir getting the fee for McDonald or anybody else is zero. Lucky if he gets a third of it. Which is odd seeing as we are selling "cos of a clause" and not cos McCabe wants the money for his back pocket.
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
I've got no idea. All i know is every time we sell a player we didn't want to. The player wanted to leave, they had a clause, blah blah blah. Yet we never use the money to sign anybody else. Odd that.

I kind of agree that we may be better off selling to reinvest. Sell Maguire too, cos he isn't worth what we'd get for him. Ship out Doyle, Williams, Westlake, Porter, Higginarse, McMahon, Ironside, Flynn and use all the money to sign 6 or 7 new players. But we all know the chances of Weir getting the fee for McDonald or anybody else is zero. Lucky if he gets a third of it. Which is odd seeing as we are selling "cos of a clause" and not cos McCabe wants the money for his back pocket.
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don't you realise we put the clauses in, its the blades way.
 
Deadbat said:
That's the thing though. He was a free agent all summer and no one came in for him. Noone. If they had he would have gone. There is no evidence to suggest other clubs were actually interested. It did not seem like if he does not have clause X, he would not re-sign to me? He was out of contract for the whole summer and only resigned on verge of the season. I remember the radio interviews and he was openly touting himself out and still no one came for him.

Of course it's easy to say we had no choice and had our hand forced in order to re-sign him (with clauses etc) but this is a player that was on the scrapheap/no one wanted for two straight summers. It did not seem like clubs were falling over themselves to sign him? United at times make daft decisions and leave themselves open to be derailed very easily. If you have a clause in; make sure it is for more than the bag of smarties we will get (£750,000 - does anyone seriously think it will be more than a couple of hundred grand at best - seriously?) and that he can't go to a divisional rival for promotion (at least in theory). It is the same with Higginbotham; insert a clause that if we go up (then funds don't matter so much) he gets an extension but on games played means is bonkers. I suppose we had to give Cresswell, Doyle, Williams etc had to be given 2 or 3 years as teams were queuing up for them?
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He did have other offers, from across the city for starters, but not for two years (I'm guessing due his injuries).

We wouldn't put this clause it, its a clause players want not clubs, and the players would set the fee. You option is agree or don't sign them. As I said before could you imagine the fallout if the club had said it wasn't going to resign him?
 
Pardon my ignorance but:
Is the motorway story verified by anyone on here?
What is his injury history?

He seems to have played consistently for us. I agree with previous comments that we only re-signed him when nothing better came up. But at that point surely we could have told him to bollocks when it came to clauses?

On a slightly different note. Signing someone for nowt and then getting £750k (if accurate) as a third division club isn't bad. Sadly, I feel that fuck all of any perceived profit will be put back in to the team on a like for like basis. That said, rightly or wrongly, I really don't expect that so won't be full of rage when it doesn't happen.

(When I say consistently, I mean on a regular basis, unlike say, John ebbrell)
 
diplomat said:
Pardon my ignorance but:
Is the motorway story verified by anyone on here?
What is his injury history?

He seems to have played consistently for us. I agree with previous comments that we only re-signed him when nothing better came up. But at that point surely we could have told him to bollocks when it came to clauses?

On a slightly different note. Signing someone for nowt and then getting £750k (if accurate) as a third division club isn't bad. Sadly, I feel that fuck all of any perceived profit will be put back in to the team on a like for like basis. That said, rightly or wrongly, I really don't expect that so won't be full of rage when it doesn't happen.

(When I say consistently, I mean on a regular basis, unlike say, John ebbrell)
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Yes ;-)

A group of fans on the Handsworth coach who were talking to the players at the services after the game. Most of the players had photos taken and apologised to fans for what had happened. KMac was reluctant to do this. One young fan asked,'we'll just have to start aain next season,Kev' to which the reply came,' I'm not bothered because I won't be here anyway'. This may not have been true but not what you say to fans had used their saving to watch them put in another hapless performance.

The reason the coaches stopped were due to the horrendous traffic jams on the M5 coming home. On top of this,the air-con on one of the Handsworth coaches had broken(remember how hot it was ?) so for a player to say this to them didn't exactly make them feel better.
 
not been here for a week tarquers.. say it victor meldrew style.. perhaps i should have put quote marks :D
in answer to your comment.. yes i 'can' believe it :(
 

LoughboroBlade said:
After watching today's game, I'm wondering whether we'd be better off selling and bringing in 2 or 3 new players with the cash to be completely honest.
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Yep, that's my thought too. We aren't good enough with McDonald. Of course, when "the club" pockets the cash, we will have something to worry about.

UTB
 
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