[Confirmed] Blackman to Reading - Undisclosed fee

[Sothall_Blade]

I did say the last 10-15 years

I'll give you Kelly and we didn't have much of a choice with Jags or Kenny(or they wouldn't have signed the contracts) but the others weren't undersold were they...all of them we got what most thought was the right price:

Lowton- not good enough at premier and possibly championship level
Quinn- we had to get rid of the wage. We didn't have much choice and many thoght he was awful
Britton- no one knows what we got for him but we got him for nothing
Derry- £750k for a utilty player was more than we thought we would get. Warnock had to rebuild and need the cash
Marsden- journeyman footballer who we got cash for
Dellas- he decided he wanted to go back to Greece- we didn't have a choice
Mendonca- tried him twice,didn't work- only really performed at Charlton below the top tier
Beagrie- £250k plus a sell on if I recall for a was an excellant price in the era we sold him
Cockerill- again a big fee in the era we sold him
Edwards- no one ever paid big money for him- strange but maybe managers saw him as too much of a luxury player and wouldn't pay.

In contrast I give you Wayne Quinn,Curtis Woodhouse,Jacob Mellis,Jordan Slew,Paul Williams,Michael Tonge(i sure I will think of others given time) where you could argue we robbed the clubs who bought them

We've discussed this before but United entering into strange, detrimental contracts that force them to sell a player for less than their market value is still "underselling".
Offering Jagielka a relegation clause was acceptable but fixing the transfer fee was utter stupidity. How many other clubs do this? If they do set a release fee, it's normally at some ridiculously high level.
Kenny was stupidly banned for a year and would have been without a club or pay, he was in no position to be demanding £750K release clauses. The club didn't owe him a thing.
My understanding on Dellas was that we had the option of keeping him for another year but Heath decided to release him without ever seeing him play. Again, he was still undersold as we could have retained him and demanded a fee.

Cockerill, Mardsen, Edwards and Beagrie were all sold for relative peanuts and went on to have long, successful careers elsewhere. We are not talking about the 1950's here. Transfer fees were rampant in the early to mid-80's.

 

[stannyblade]

1. "Everyone is a selling club. Man U sold Ronaldo"

2. "Never rated him"

3. "Can't keep them here if they want to go"

4. "all of his goals were penalties anyway".

5. "Some people would moan even if we signed Messi"

6. "Excellent bit of business by the club"

7. His agent blah blah

8. 2-3 or 4 players coming in

9. He hasn't gone yet !

10 Even if he goes we will still get promoted

Anymore excuses I think we have had these numerous times

1. True
2. Not True
3. True
4. Nearly True
5. Very True
6.True IMO
7.Again true
8. We will have to wait and see on this. No one in and were fooked this year
9. According to Alan Biggs he has. Nothing confirmed though
10. Depends on point 8 really

 

[super_pig]

My understanding on Dellas was that we had the option of keeping him for another year but Heath decided to release him without ever seeing him play. Again, he was still undersold as we could have retained him and demanded a fee.

Heath?? who said you could mention Voldemort??

 

[Silent Blade]

Thanks for that Silent. Happy with that post, EXCEPT:

You rate both Colin Addison and Colin Franks as "not bad", this would suggest they were both of a similar standard.
My memories of the pair were Addo was a quality player, a bit of class, an eye for goal but slowed down by injury. Franks, however, was nothing more than a big bloke, with a bit of pace, and equally inept when played CB or CF. Not in the same league at all.

There is an interesting story about Willie Carlin in (an otherwise dull as shit) book about Clough/Taylor written by their long time chief scout. He makes out Rowley thought he'd pulled the wool over BC/PT by selling WC to them as he was a trouble maker who had been "sent off three times". I was staggered by this claim as I don't remember him ever being sent off for us. You had to do something dreadful to get sent off in proper football days.

Addison was my first favourite Blade as he scored the winner in the FA Cup match against Everton. I became a committed Blade after watching the highlights on YTV. From what I had read about him playing for the Blades between 1967 and 1970 he was not really a good replacement for Mick Jones. There were Blades fans writing to the Green Un saying that they didnt understand why John Tudor didnt have regular starts. Peter Howard wrote an article defending John Harris decision saying that, while he acknowledges that Tudor has a good strike rate, Addo is better at holding up the ball. It was interesting reading when I was at the Library archives about 10 years ago. I remember Addo asked for a transfer request a few times in 1970. After our defeat at Orient in 1970 he was dropped from the team after a training ground argument with coach John Short. When he returned to the team he played in midfield replacing John Barnwell who didnt impress in his first few games. Addo's last game was in the 2-1 defeat at Luton (Luton's goals can be seen on youtube and Addo tried to stop a cross from future Blade, John Ryan, before Malcolm MacDonald's header for the 1st goal). He got injured and Barnwell returned to the side in the next match scoring 2 goals against Charlton.

Willie Carlin never got sent off for us. Looks like Rowley doesnt like little terriers types that snaps at ankles (Mark Patterson was similiar)

 

[Oreyt]

In the last 30 years:- Walker, Lowton, Quinn, Sharp, Jagielka, Britton, Kenny, Kelly, Derry, Dellas, Mendonca, Beagrie, Marsden, Cockerill, Edwards

So that's underselling 1 player every two years, roughly. I would have thought that sounds pretty average for a team who've spent the vast majority of that time out of the top tier.

 

[metalblade]

So that's underselling 1 player every two years, roughly. I would have thought that sounds pretty average for a team who've spent the vast majority of that time out of the top tier.

More like that is a snap shot of why we have spent the vast majority of that time out of the top tier.

 

[Maidenhead]

I did say the last 10-15 years


In contrast I give you Wayne Quinn,Curtis Woodhouse,Jacob Mellis,Jordan Slew,Paul Williams,Michael Tonge(i sure I will think of others given time) where you could argue we robbed the clubs who bought them

Lee Morris and Tony Agana, absolutely mugged Derby and Notts with those two

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Lee Morris and Tony Agana, absolutely mugged Derby and Notts with those two

Over a million for Andy Gray too. His exit and effective replacement with HMS was a key factor in our improvement in performances.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Also, Olivier Tebily. £200k to £1.2m in a matter of months.

 

[Pinchy]

Addison was my first favourite Blade as he scored the winner in the FA Cup match against Everton. I became a committed Blade after watching the highlights on YTV. From what I had read about him playing for the Blades between 1967 and 1970 he was not really a good replacement for Mick Jones. There were Blades fans writing to the Green Un saying that they didnt understand why John Tudor didnt have regular starts. Peter Howard wrote an article defending John Harris decision saying that, while he acknowledges that Tudor has a good strike rate, Addo is better at holding up the ball. It was interesting reading when I was at the Library archives about 10 years ago. I remember Addo asked for a transfer request a few times in 1970. After our defeat at Orient in 1970 he was dropped from the team after a training ground argument with coach John Short. When he returned to the team he played in midfield replacing John Barnwell who didnt impress in his first few games. Addo's last game was in the 2-1 defeat at Luton (Luton's goals can be seen on youtube and Addo tried to stop a cross from future Blade, John Ryan, before Malcolm MacDonald's header for the 1st goal). He got injured and Barnwell returned to the side in the next match scoring 2 goals against Charlton.

Willie Carlin never got sent off for us. Looks like Rowley doesnt like little terriers types that snaps at ankles (Mark Patterson was similiar)

Willie Carlin and Colin Addison are both in my top 20 Blades. Perhaps a personal affectation, because they were part of my formative years as a Blade.

Little Willie was much more than a 'terrier'. He had good control and vision. In modern terminology, he was technically good. He could pass the ball and got the odd goal, memorably scoring a header [he was a midget, for those who don't remember] in a 2-1 win against some team or other [I know you will fill in the detail ]

As for Addison - I remember him as a class act. We hadn't really got into 4-4-2 and all that bollocks at this time. I don't think he was a replacement for Mick Jones at all; he was much more of an old fashioned inside-forward. I remember Mick Hill as the immediate [and vastly inferior] replacement for Jones. What clinches the matter in Addo's favour is this: The Kop [at a time when it generated both volume and wit] had not one but two songs for him [or was it even three - I've a feeling I've forgotten one]! Anyway, altogether now - "Here's to you Colin Addison...."

 

[Pinchy]

Or you could wonder why someone with almost 5,000 posts which have only ever defended the inevitable sale of players, and who's taken the habitual United haters to task time and time again (there's a reason Metal had me ignore for months), is so pissed off with this sale.

I haven't slagged the replacements off. I've stated the reality that has just hit me - that if they are any good we will sell them. The panacea of a realistic wage bill from which gradual team building would occur has turned out to be just more of the same. I'm gutted.

UTB

With due respect to Nick Blackman, he is hardly the most impressive straw ever to break a camel's back!

 

[Silent Blade]

Willie Carlin and Colin Addison are both in my top 20 Blades. Perhaps a personal affectation, because they were part of my formative years as a Blade.

Little Willie was much more than a 'terrier'. He had good control and vision. In modern terminology, he was technically good. He could pass the ball and got the odd goal, memorably scoring a header [he was a midget, for those who don't remember] in a 2-1 win against some team or other [I know you will fill in the detail ]

As for Addison - I remember him as a class act. We hadn't really got into 4-4-2 and all that bollocks at this time. I don't think he was a replacement for Mick Jones at all; he was much more of an old fashioned inside-forward. I remember Mick Hill as the immediate [and vastly inferior] replacement for Jones. What clinches the matter in Addo's favour is this: The Kop [at a time when it generated both volume and wit] had not one but two songs for him [or was it even three - I've a feeling I've forgotten one]! Anyway, altogether now - "Here's to you Colin Addison...."

Reading the Green Un reports at the Library Archives I remember reading the report of our home game against Newcastle that was played after we had sold Mick Jones. The Blades fans were chanting bad things about Dick Wragg and the board but Willie Carlin scored with an header on his debut in the 2-1 win (not sure if it as the winning goal)

 

[CG Blade]

Reading the Green Un reports at the Library Archives I remember reading the report of our home game against Newcastle that was played after we had sold Mick Jones. The Blades fans were chanting bad things about Dick Wragg and the board but Willie Carlin scored with an header on his debut in the 2-1 win (not sure if it as the winning goal)

Oh I remember that as though it was yesterday, we didn't know to cheer, laugh or cry when Willie Carlin scored. The crowd were very anti the board that day, and if I remember were still not happy even when we won.

 

[LSF]

Willie Carlin and Colin Addison are both in my top 20 Blades. Perhaps a personal affectation, because they were part of my formative years as a Blade.

Little Willie was much more than a 'terrier'. He had good control and vision. In modern terminology, he was technically good. He could pass the ball and got the odd goal, memorably scoring a header [he was a midget, for those who don't remember] in a 2-1 win against some team or other [I know you will fill in the detail ]

As for Addison - I remember him as a class act. We hadn't really got into 4-4-2 and all that bollocks at this time. I don't think he was a replacement for Mick Jones at all; he was much more of an old fashioned inside-forward. I remember Mick Hill as the immediate [and vastly inferior] replacement for Jones. What clinches the matter in Addo's favour is this: The Kop [at a time when it generated both volume and wit] had not one but two songs for him [or was it even three - I've a feeling I've forgotten one]! Anyway, altogether now - "Here's to you Colin Addison...."

Now then Pinchy, here's one midfielder (inside forward if you like) who we do agree on! Willie Carlin made a huge impression on me when he came in after the sale of Mick Jones to Leeds. I was still smarting at the departure of my hero Mick and the atmosphere at the Lane was poisonous at the Newcastle match Silent refers to. The crowd were giving Dick Wragg some real stick ("Dick Wragg Jam Rag" is the chant that always sticks out in my memory).
But little Willie took the sting out of everbody's ire with a tenacious performance crowned with a headed goal from a 5'4" bow legged scouser who barely looked like a professional footballer!
Couple that with the great through ball to Mick Hill at Hillsbro which enabled Hill to level the scores and his subsequent rush to the North Stand to kiss a female Blades fan sat on the front row and Willie became a cult hero to me and my mates.
I was shocked and disappointed to say the least when Arthur Rowley dispatched him to Derby but pleased that Willie became such a pivotal part of the rise of Clough's Derby to power in the late 60's / early 70's.

I guess in hindsight, Rowley's rebuilding of United with the signings of Hemsley, Colquhoun & Powell after Carlin's departure, became the catalyst for the 71 promotion winning team.

In reference to Colin Addison and Pinchy's memory of the chants - Addi Addi Addi Addison was another sang by the kop and this can also be clearly heard when United played Arsenal at Highbury and Addison scored. The Match Of The Day microphone clealy picks this up as Addison trots back to the centre amidst a few cursory handshakes of the kind which celebrated a goal in those far off days...

 

[Grecian2000]

The crowd were giving Dick Wragg some real stick ("Dick Wragg Jam Rag" is the chant that always sticks out in my memory).

Ha, remember it well. I was 9 or 10, I hadn't got a clue what they were on about, and my Dad's explanation wasn't at all helpful in later life.

 

[Grecian2000]

I was shocked and disappointed to say the least when Arthur Rowley dispatched him to Derby but pleased that Willie became such a pivotal part of the rise of Clough's Derby to power in the late 60's / early 70's.

As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, Carlin's sale to Derby was a bit clandestine. Taylor tapped him up before a game at the Lane. Rowley thought he'd done the "trickery". I was gutted . . .

 

[blade too long]

weve got two chances of signing pope. no pope and bob pope! port vale are much more ambitious than we are. if anything, we'd be selling players to them. besides, he's ordinary at best. did nothing at rotherham, 3 or 4 goals in 2 years. he's one of those players that just clicks for one club. i believe he supported port vale as a kid, though i could be wrong. he's from that area anyway. he'd be a terrible signing for the money port vale would want. anyway, we have no money. any money we get from blackman would disappear into mccabe towers. so pointless conversation.

not been to port vale lately then , its like a derelict woodburn road, they have lots of ambition , but no money

 

[Rodley]

how did huddersfield keep jordan rhodes for the last 2 seasons then? werent they a league 1 club? with a lot less fans than us? im pretty sure they could have sold him for a lot more than we would get for blackman too. but they resisted, to try to finally get out of this poxy league. christ anybody would think weve turned into alfreton the way people talk!

Heavily backed by Dean Hoyle and Rhodes was happy to stay until Blackburn offered him ridiculous money. I spoke to one of the Director's of HTAFC about this before Christmas. Even Man United were watching him at one point!!!

 

[Kev Gee]

I suppose at least Blackman fitted into our transfer policy of buy young & sell for profit?

So who will we be signing then?

 

[Pinchy]

Now then Pinchy, here's one midfielder (inside forward if you like) who we do agree on! Willie Carlin made a huge impression on me when he came in after the sale of Mick Jones to Leeds. I was still smarting at the departure of my hero Mick and the atmosphere at the Lane was poisonous at the Newcastle match Silent refers to. The crowd were giving Dick Wragg some real stick ("Dick Wragg Jam Rag" is the chant that always sticks out in my memory).
But little Willie took the sting out of everbody's ire with a tenacious performance crowned with a headed goal from a 5'4" bow legged scouser who barely looked like a professional footballer!
Couple that with the great through ball to Mick Hill at Hillsbro which enabled Hill to level the scores and his subsequent rush to the North Stand to kiss a female Blades fan sat on the front row and Willie became a cult hero to me and my mates.
I was shocked and disappointed to say the least when Arthur Rowley dispatched him to Derby but pleased that Willie became such a pivotal part of the rise of Clough's Derby to power in the late 60's / early 70's.

I guess in hindsight, Rowley's rebuilding of United with the signings of Hemsley, Colquhoun & Powell after Carlin's departure, became the catalyst for the 71 promotion winning team.

In reference to Colin Addison and Pinchy's memory of the chants - Addi Addi Addi Addison was another sang by the kop and this can also be clearly heard when United played Arsenal at Highbury and Addison scored. The Match Of The Day microphone clealy picks this up as Addison trots back to the centre amidst a few cursory handshakes of the kind which celebrated a goal in those far off days...

Yes, I remember Willie's towering far post header very well; just no recollection of the opposition. I'm pretty sure it was indeed the winner. As for the Hill goal at The Piggery, I was sitting with my mum in the same stand as the kissee! I think it was my first away game.

 

[alcoblade]

With due respect to Nick Blackman, he is hardly the most impressive straw ever to break a camel's back!

No, I was near to the cliff already. Half a season of mind numbing football already had me moving.

I fully expect Blackman's talent to diminish in the eyes of those to who United can do no wrong, and turn into a world beater according to Metal-Mic y.

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Radio Sheffield just confirmed the deal to Reading has been completed.

Let the doom&gloom explosion continue!

 

[yorkshirecoast]

We are not very good with Blackman. We will be shite without him unless we bring in some quality (yeah, right). The shambles continues. Oh to be able to make a fresh start with a new owner & a new team.

 

[Foxy]

Blackman threads merged, as mentioned on our Twitter - Officially confirmed to Reading, Undisclosed fee, 3.5 year contract. Paperwork still to be completed, but is a formality.


It was the contents of the satchels wot done it!

 

[sheffielder]

Undisclosed deary me

 

[Foxy]

Undisclosed deary me

Could have been specified on the part of either club.

It also helps in the deals we're trying to tie up if we aren't officially confirming what money we've just "received".

 

[sheffielder]

Yeh yeh, I think I am seeing the light this windows. Please let me be wrong

 

[metalblade]

Lets hope the fax machine is in good working order

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

not been to port vale lately then , its like a derelict woodburn road, they have lots of ambition , but no money

unlike us, who have no ambition and no money

 

[TarquinDelouche]

Now lets use the money wisely. God, I hate transfer windows.