[Confirmed] Abdullah bin Mosaad bin Abdulaziz Al Saud

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Phew, this was always going to provoke this debate and with some of the characters on here, opinions were always going to vary.
I'm guessing I'm similar to Rusty in age terms (over 60's) and his angst has been laid bare for all to see.... whilst I can kind of see his viewpoint I'm afraid my morals don't stretch quite that far. The world changes in a way that lots of us don't like and this is one of those kind of changes I'm going to live with if it gives us a shout of surviving this downward spiral and playing some respected football once again.
Will it all end in tears? Well....... with our track record one would say its a distinct possibility, but as ever I'll try to be positive and hope this will be the most harmonious relationship that takes us up and beyond them sad fuckers in S6 and keeps us there.
Lets hope the current playing crisis is quickly addressed and we start to win games asap!

Rustyblade I think LSF has worded my answer perfectly above.

OK maybe I was a tad quick off the mark to say racist bigot. This wasn't solely aimed at you. There's another thread with similar comments.

However, my comments towards race is just to show how narrow minded racists actually are. Yes he's Saudi Arabian. Yes he's from a family that tortures people. Does that mean he has the same view? By the sounds of it no. He lives in America half the time and spunks all his money on NFL fantasy football. Hardly sounds evil.

There are plenty clubs out there that could do with investment a lot higher up the ladder than SUFC. Teams he could get instant success with. It does seem he's in it for the long haul and has a genuine interest in our long term success. Hardly sounds like a bullish character does he.

There are good and bad in all races and nationalities. I hope we have found one of the good. But to disregard him because of his Saudi nationality is narrow minded and reminiscent of racism. Give him a chance. Listen to him speak, then make up your mind. I will apologise if i'm wrong on this.
 



McCabe's cash, I could live with. Kenwright's cash ditto. Ashley's too. I could probably even make a case for the wodge of Abramovich at a push but this one, no. I just can't do it.

So you can live with the two English millionaires/billionaires but would have reservations about the Russian.

Can you please explain this.
 
I wonder if and how much McDonald was told about the investment looming.

If we offered to increase his wage I'm assuming he was told that something would be happening?

McDonald has stated that his move wasn't for money and purely football related. If we don't get promoted and Wolves do then it would seem he's spoken the truth.
 
So you can live with the two English millionaires/billionaires but would have reservations about the Russian.

Can you please explain this.

I'll try, and it's got bugger all to do with nationality.

McCabe made his money from property development, Kenwright from theatre production, Ashley from sporting goods, Lerner from investments, none of which give me any moral problems I can't accommodate.

I wouldn't have any problems with the owners of Manchester United either, other than the way they were able to buy the club with the club's own money but that's a procedural objection rather than one based on the individuals involved.

I realise that all of the above are products of what we might call Anglo-Saxon/Celtic stock but this is not the criterion I'm using here.

Why is Abramovich different? Well, basically Sibneft (and his role in the 'aluminium wars'). And now I'm going to have to tread carefully. This is a man who was so well connected that he was invited by Yeltsin himself to move into an apartment in the Kremlin in 1999. A man who, by dint of setting up a whole load of, what shall I call them...fly by night companies with Berezovsky, was able to acquire Sibneft at around 25 times less than its true market value. A man who has admitted paying enormous bribes (we're talking billions here) to government functionaries and who has also admitted using protection from the 'Russian mob' in order to acquire what were state assets.

I said I could probably make a case for Abramovich and I guess it would be this. That he was a man who did what had to be done in the climate of the day and geographical location in order to expand his business empire. Looking at it in these terms, it's a weak case to say the least. Morally, I have problems with it.

Thaksin Shinawatra. The guy who bought Manchester City. Again I would object on moral grounds only. A convicted criminal who could not even return to his home country because of outstanding charges against him. Charges which, were I to call them very serious, would probably be understated.

Which brings me on to our very own fresh prince of the house of Saud. I have nothing intrinsically against anybody of Saudi Arabian nationality. I have a great deal against the Saudi royal family of which he is a member. I read above somewhere a comparison between our prince and Zara Phillips which was an attempt to equate the two in terms of objectionability. This, I'm afraid, is purest bollocks. The King of Saudi Arabia holds absolute political power along with the Crown Prince. This is a family business on the national scale. Look at any government department, at any major institution, at any major Saudi company and in one of the top two positions therein you will find a family member. I don't think there is any way in which you could call any member of this family self-made.

The family promotes and sponsors Wahhabism whenever and wherever it can. I don't want to go into all the arguments here as I'm sure they've been re-cycled enough in another thread but just let me throw a few things out there for consideration.

I've heard it said that our prince is 'more liberal' than other members of the family. This is meaningless. I could also say that Mussolini was more liberal than Hitler.

I've read that he likes a drink and a gamble. Bet he has to go abroad to do it though.

My main point is that no matter his own character and beliefs, he still carries the title of Prince and thus allies himself to the politics and religious policies of the family. One could if one wanted on this alone level accusations of hypocrisy. We are allied to the family by association now and morally, I find it impossible to accommodate.

Were he to renounce his title, we could have another conversation but for now I'm stuck in a very unhappy position indeed.
 
but for now I'm stuck in a very unhappy position indeed.

Me too - but hopefully come the loan window our new saviour will provide the cash injection we need to bring some quality players in and everything will be looking good.

Saudi Arabian politics? Not my concern.

Prince Abdullah's Red & White Army
 
I said I could probably make a case for Abramovich and I guess it would be this. That he was a man who did what had to be done in the climate of the day and geographical location in order to expand his business empire. Looking at it in these terms, it's a weak case to say the least. Morally, I have problems with it.

United = Abramovich.

We are doing what we need to do in today's climate.
I don't want to wind you up any further as you clearly have extremely strong views here but at the moment we look to be turning a corner that we've been driving on since 2007. Now the straight is insight, let us at least try and make it to the next corner.

Is he making an appearance at the next home game?

I have heard that he will be at Rotherham on Saturday
 
Foxy - where's the transcript?




He said a lot of stuff, but the main points can be summarised to the following:
1-now the prince owns 50% of the club
2- his main objective is to take the club to premier league within a short time buy bringing new good players
3- if he succeeds he will invest more but if he did not he will raise his share to 75% (almost become the owner)
 
I sent a tweet to Alan Biggs this morning (sheffield based reporter) and he still says he's a billionaire.
 
I sent a tweet to Alan Biggs this morning (sheffield based reporter) and he still says he's a billionaire.

But based on what evidence? Everything seems to point to he's a rich fella, but billionaire? I don't see it.
 



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But based on what evidence? Everything seems to point to he's a rich fella, but billionaire? I don't see it.

I have no idea, I've found nothing to suggest he is a billionaire. I'm assuming he's heard from the same guys who told him the investment was coming from the middle east?
 
In the middle east it´s against all cultural norms to reveal how much money you got, it´s considered immoral even..That´s why the rich guys there tend to show their wealth in other, sometimes rather ridiculous ways.. :cool:

As for your Prince he´s a bit unfortunate that his father was never into the money grabbing game that most of his brothers was, I mean.. Imagine the guy that got the only license to import Air-conditioning equipment in the kingdom.
But Prince Abdullah ought to be a bona fide member of the council of allegiance so he is entitled to certain money from the Al-Saud tithe which is a percentage of the Oil-income that goes directly to the descendents of Ibn-Saud.
Now your Prince showed nice business acumen and built SPMC Group and still owns 46.1% of the company.
Net worth of the Prince?..I´d say a couple of hundred mill approx.

But now it gets interesting so come closer lads, it seems that Prince Abdullah is rather close to the family of one of the really rich and powerful guys. So close that his daughter Sara married the oldest son, who incidentally also managed to win a bronze medal in the olympics (horses of course).

Prince Abdullah Bin Miteb is Carrying qualified University with honors degree. Abdullah is the oldest son for HRH Prince Miteb Bin Abdullah Bin AbdulAziz Al Saud. Head of the Saudi National Guard (SANG). Abdullah's Mother is HRH princess Jawahir Bint Mohammed bin Abdullah Al Saud, she Head's many charitable intuits' for empowering women, orphanages, Saudi Women Art society and many more social activates with in the Kingdom.
Prince Abdullah is married to HRH Princess Sara Bint Abdullah Bin Musaed,

So instead of asking about his net worth, perhaps you ought to ask yourself how much support he can swing from his connections, not at least from his connection to Prince Miteb who certainly is a key player in the kingdom.
 
I forgot to mention that Prince Miteb (the guy who married his oldest son to the daughter of your guy) always got the option to greet the KING of Saudi-Arabia with a cool ´Hi dad!

So, that ought to explain a bit about the Al-Saud family connection to your club, but unfortunately it doesn´t tell us anything significant really.
 
I forgot to mention that Prince Miteb (the guy who married his oldest son to the daughter of your guy) always got the option to greet the KING of Saudi-Arabia with a cool ´Hi dad!

So, that ought to explain a bit about the Al-Saud family connection to your club, but unfortunately it doesn´t tell us anything significant really.

Good point about his daughters - get them married off to billionaires.

We're All Sauds Aren't We (WASAW) ;)
 
Good point about his daughters - get them married off to billionaires.

We're All Sauds Aren't We (WASAW) ;)

I can just imagine the tabloids trying to twist it to "Skint Prince greets billionaire daughters.."
 
Ive thought since i heard the news that its not what this guy brings to the table.... Rather who he brings with him.
 
Ive thought since i heard the news that its not what this guy brings to the table.... Rather who he brings with him.


....in the long run. At the moment his shoes are probably worth more than our back 4. A 'small' increase in spending by his standards should hopefully make a difference to us right now.
 
Worst case scenario, you got a Prince that think that his skills at footy manager games will result at success without spending any money..

Best case scenario, because of him being regarded as an old pro since his days with Al-hilal FC he was approached by some movers and shakers among the up and coming Al-Sauds to act on their behalf while they remain invisible.

Most likely scenario, It´s his project but he´ll get some support from friends and family to a certain extent but nothing spectacular like MCFC or PSG..
 
People are making far too much of this. Guy comes in, may loosen the purse strings a tiny bit. Were still a bottom half division 3 side with no strikers. Hes come in to make money, not bankroll us into the champions league. We can't realistically compete for promotion this season, even with a few signings in january we'll struggle to make the play-offs. To be honest i think we could do without the distraction of all this. I wish McCabe had just quietly brought this guy on board without all the "game changing" bluster. I can see he's a fairly desperate and beleagured individual, wants to win fans back etc, but long term it does nobody any favours. Anybody dreaming of a quick fix is probably going to be disappointed.
 



People are making far too much of this. Guy comes in, may loosen the purse strings a tiny bit. Were still a bottom half division 3 side with no strikers. Hes come in to make money, not bankroll us into the champions league. We can't realistically compete for promotion this season, even with a few signings in january we'll struggle to make the play-offs. To be honest i think we could do without the distraction of all this. I wish McCabe had just quietly brought this guy on board without all the "game changing" bluster. I can see he's a fairly desperate and beleagured individual, wants to win fans back etc, but long term it does nobody any favours. Anybody dreaming of a quick fix is probably going to be disappointed.

Well said Mustafha Reality Sheik
 

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