Ignoring the performance, which simply wasn’t good enough, the two most worrying aspects of last night’s game were the lack of confidence that was evident from an early stage and the sniping between the players that increased as the game went on (epitomised by Brooks’ arm-waving with the ball at his feet). We didn’t look like a team last night and need leadership on and off the pitch ASAP - never thought I’d be saying that based on performances in the first half of the season, even when we we weren’t playing well and/or were losing.
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Do not get confused.
Sheffield United - A team of togetherness / hard work and Unity. Championship / League one players
Fulham - A team full of premiership players / with a world class one.
A team that boasts Sessegnon / Cairney / Mitrovic beats hard work.
They had a new signing Christie £4m on the bench. He’s a right back!
Sheffield United - A team of togetherness / hard work and Unity. Championship / League one players
Fulham - A team full of premiership players / with a world class one.
A team that boasts Sessegnon / Cairney / Mitrovic beats hard work.
They had a new signing Christie £4m on the bench. He’s a right back!
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I do sometimes wonder if we get ahead of ourselves. As Bladezz says, there was just a gulf in class. We are a mid-table team that has done quite well namely at the start of the season when some teams probably underestimated us. The season is long and hard and it's starting to show, but that's not to say we are still doing ok, but it's about our level. As many others have said, the top 6 as it stands now are either slightly better or in the case of Wolves and Fulham, streets ahead.
Im sure many on here either now or in their prime would run their bollocks off for united and give all the effort in the world, but when coming up against a better player would lose out 9 times out of 10.
Although.... imagine what CW could do with even half the budget of these teams, or in Wolves' case half the money spent on one player.
We are where we are, and we will get buggered by better teams from time to time.
Im sure many on here either now or in their prime would run their bollocks off for united and give all the effort in the world, but when coming up against a better player would lose out 9 times out of 10.
Although.... imagine what CW could do with even half the budget of these teams, or in Wolves' case half the money spent on one player.
We are where we are, and we will get buggered by better teams from time to time.
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I think the OP has a fair point.
Perhaps a tad harsh on the 'simply not good enough' although that may just have come across differently written down to how it was meant (although I agree, we weren't good enough to beat such a strong side) The issue of unity and sniping though, was very real.
In some ways it was good to see young Brooks frustrated, but I also wonder whether his outburst was more out of embarrassment when he was chasing shadows, with their defenders taking the piss. There still seems a lot of immaturity and naivety about his game leading to too much carelessness and selfishness.
If he had scored when Billy was unhappy at him shooting, things would obviously have been different, but he didn't and Billy had a go in a 'this kid's really pissing me off because he's too much into himself' kind of way.
I've no doubt CW will sort any issues, but it's a shame to see it, particularly after last/early this season.
Perhaps a tad harsh on the 'simply not good enough' although that may just have come across differently written down to how it was meant (although I agree, we weren't good enough to beat such a strong side) The issue of unity and sniping though, was very real.
In some ways it was good to see young Brooks frustrated, but I also wonder whether his outburst was more out of embarrassment when he was chasing shadows, with their defenders taking the piss. There still seems a lot of immaturity and naivety about his game leading to too much carelessness and selfishness.
If he had scored when Billy was unhappy at him shooting, things would obviously have been different, but he didn't and Billy had a go in a 'this kid's really pissing me off because he's too much into himself' kind of way.
I've no doubt CW will sort any issues, but it's a shame to see it, particularly after last/early this season.
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Lack of confidence from the start? Sorry mate but i thought we started really well and looked confident and should have taken the lead (Bill). We were undone by a class side and not by lack of leadership.
I find it hard to understand why anyone would say that that Wilder lacks leadership.
As for Brooks waving his arms around and showing petulance, well, he did it at Millwall and needs to grow up .
Take it on the chin pal and stop looking for ways to justify the defeat. Fulham are class, and it showed.
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Brooks had every right to be annoyed, there was zero movement around him whenever he got the ball.
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Do you think Wilder wants a team of quiet players or a team of players who demand high standards of each other and aren't afraid to have a go if they're not happy?
Every striker in the world will moan when someone shoots instead of passing to them and I thought Brooks was right to have a go at Duffy - you can't press on your own.
None of the incidents last night were like Neill Collins-esque.
Every striker in the world will moan when someone shoots instead of passing to them and I thought Brooks was right to have a go at Duffy - you can't press on your own.
None of the incidents last night were like Neill Collins-esque.
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Strange post.
Only heard the radio commentary but sounded like the effort and attitude were there but Fulham were just far to good for us on the day.
Only heard the radio commentary but sounded like the effort and attitude were there but Fulham were just far to good for us on the day.
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Completely agree, we stopped after their third goal, Brooks was the only one willing to put an effort in, he forced Ched to pick up his chin too, couldn't get Duffy moving though, he started well enough, but maybe just doesn't have the legs to go more than 60 mins
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It has been refreshing to see Wilder's commitment to attacking football, but I think we need to have a rethink next season.
In certain games, we need to play a different way. Last night was the perfect opportunity to play one upfront and try Brooks and Duffy behind a striker (which would probably have to be Donaldson). Thus trying to stifle their play and hit them on the break.
A lot of football is about confidence and getting made to look inferior all over the pitch is hardly likely to help us going into the next game.
In certain games, we need to play a different way. Last night was the perfect opportunity to play one upfront and try Brooks and Duffy behind a striker (which would probably have to be Donaldson). Thus trying to stifle their play and hit them on the break.
A lot of football is about confidence and getting made to look inferior all over the pitch is hardly likely to help us going into the next game.
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Blackman, Baldock, Stevens, Stearman, Basham, O’Connell, Fleck, Evans, Sharp, Donaldson, Duffy
Cost 0, 350k, 0, 700k, 0, 400k, 0, 750k, 300k, 50k, nil = 2.55m
Mitrovic
Cost 13m
It’s difficult to escape the gulf in resources and that is one player last transferred at 5x our entire XI.
And both Cairney, turned down 15m and Sessignon, 30m? 40m? 50m? rated higher than him.
I know it is boring to read but there if there needs to be some perspective at times, this is probably one of them!
Cost 0, 350k, 0, 700k, 0, 400k, 0, 750k, 300k, 50k, nil = 2.55m
Mitrovic
Cost 13m
It’s difficult to escape the gulf in resources and that is one player last transferred at 5x our entire XI.
And both Cairney, turned down 15m and Sessignon, 30m? 40m? 50m? rated higher than him.
I know it is boring to read but there if there needs to be some perspective at times, this is probably one of them!
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The confidence and unity were absolutely fine last night. We missed big chances at crucial times against a top side. They had that bit of extra quality that we lacked.We could have set up to spoil, but that 's a whole other argument.
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Watch the video if you get the chance, I think that you'll come away with a different impression. We capitulated after they scored and started having a go at each other, that's what troubled me, not the score / how good Fulham were.
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I agree that we started well, that's why I said from an early stage rather than the start. Re off the field leadership, I was referring to 2 things - Wilder's comments about not being good enough to make the play offs (that may have been motivational but works against you if you concede and we went to pieces after conceding the first) and the board situation, which can only be unsettling. I'm not looking for ways to justify the defeat, we weren't good enough as I said, but we're not as mentally strong as we were earlier in the season and it showed. I can't play football at anything like the standard that they do but I would have been a better leader last night than any of them were.
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I don't think that's a reflection of a lack of unity or confidence but more frustration from being spanked and frankly outclassed.
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Fulham's starting 11 last night:
Bettinelli is fulham academy
Odoi £900k from Lokeren
Fredericks £225k from Bristol City
Ream £1.5m from Bolton
Targett on loan from Southampton
Johansen £2.7m from Celtic
MacDonald £1.35m from Wolves
Cairney £3m from Blackburn
Sessignon fulham academy
Mitrovic loan from Newcastle
Ojo loan from Liverpool
£8.55m
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Didn't realise they'd done on it relatively on the cheap, with some judicious use of the loan system.
Yes they're spending a reasonable amount but nothing like Wolves, for example.
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Nothing wrong with players having a go at
Each other,.maybe if we had shown some of that at Hull we would have got a result.
Places are on the line now so I would expect more of that in the remaining matches .It's not necessarily a sign of poor camaraderie but a desire to win,we should encourage it.
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A mere 3.5 times the price of our squad, then. I bet the gap looks even bigger if you compare the wage budgets.
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Thats some excellent recruitment.
Even if we had that cash we wouldn't get those players though i don't think. London and Fulhams recent high profile puts them absolutely miles ahead of us as a desirable destination
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Also, Fulham is just a higher profile destination. The expectation is that they are taking a short break from the top division.
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And what wages are those players on?
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It revolves around cash not profile ours matches there's at least .
Fulham gates are poor even with a team with quality all over the pitch.
If we had a team with that quality we would be turning people away..
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We've been away from top level football for an absolute age. Gates don't matter anymore - Bournemouth are competing with smaller crowds than Fulham.
If you offered a player identical contracts from us and Fulham I'm guessing central London and Fulhams profile means 80% would choose Fulham.
That means you have to outbid clubs like them on wages. And that's how you end up like Wednesday
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