Clough vs. Weir

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

I know it's very premature to assess/condemn NC and the work he is doing behind the scenes. But from the stuff I have seen, has much changed since DW?

Players operating out of position, players dropped for no apparent reason, players looking clueless, unmotivated and unfit. We could put some of this down to the lingering regime that Weir left, but Morgan seemed to improve it fairly instantly in the same circumstances?

If I am honest, and I hope to be proven very much wrong in this, I think we rushed to hire him because he was available. I'd have been happy with Morgan until the end of the season with Mick Wadsworth giving him the experienced support.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Are you kidding?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Are you kidding?

About what?

 

[Racy]

I know it's very premature to assess/condemn NC and the work he is doing behind the scenes. But from the stuff I have seen, has much changed since DW?

Players operating out of position, players dropped for no apparent reason, players looking clueless, unmotivated and unfit. We could put some of this down to the lingering regime that Weir left, but Morgan seemed to improve it fairly instantly in the same circumstances?

If I am honest, and I hope to be proven very much wrong in this, I think we rushed to hire him because he was available. I'd have been happy with Morgan until the end of the season with Mick Wadsworth giving him the experienced support.

Fair points but Cloughs it's early days yet if we win Saturday we are well off the bottom.
Fitness wise we look a lot better and I for one am a lot more confident in Clough than Weir
He'll pull it round

 

[georgebernardshaw]

About what?

The bloke's only been here 3/4 weeks

 

[secretchief]

They both certainly like to play two holding midfielders.

Problem is, Clough likes his to be two thirty-plus left-footers, one of whom is a left back. If Weir had done that, particularly after productive performances from McGinn, we would get howls about 'intransigence' and 'inflexibility'. I have deep concerns about how many more points Clough is prepared to write off with the 'Doyley - Lapps' partnership, especially if he is going to play Flynn as well (highly doubtful considering Flynn's performance on Saturday, a small mercy).

 

[Junior Soduko]

We are just simply SHIT. This has nothing to do with David Weir or Nigel Clough.

For whatever reason the squad of Sheffield United FC, which finished 5th respectively last season has simply turned SHIT.

I find the remarkable drop in performances and results quite extraordinary to be perfectly honest.

 

[stannyblade]

They both certainly like to play two holding midfielders.

Problem is, Clough likes his to be two thirty-plus left-footers, one of whom is a left back. If Weir had done that, particularly after productive performances from McGinn, we would get howls about 'intransigence' and 'inflexibility'. I have deep concerns about how many more points Clough is prepared to write off with the 'Doyley - Lapps' partnership, especially if he is going to play Flynn as well (highly doubtful considering Flynn's performance on Saturday, a small mercy).

Lappin, Doyle, McMahon, Collins, Maguire, Hill and White thats 7 players that were worse than Flynn IMO on Saturday. (maybe not in that order)

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

Are you kidding?

I'm just making an observation on what I have seen so far, I clearly said I am not condemning him. I hoped for a sweeping change under Clough, but things that can be changed immediately haven't been. In my eyes Clough has one win as SUFC manager (I don't count the Crewe game because Morgs prepared and picked that team) and that was a gratuitous one we sneaked against Colchester despite our best attempts to fudge it up!

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I'm just making an observation on what I have seen so far, I clearly said I am not condemning him. I hoped for a sweeping change under Clough, but things that can be changed immediately haven't been. In my eyes Clough has one win as SUFC manager (I don't count the Crewe game because Morgs prepared and picked that team) and that was a gratuitous one we sneaked against Colchester despite our best attempts to fudge it up!

Fairy Snuff

 

[blader]

We are just simply SHIT. This has nothing to do with David Weir or Nigel Clough.

For whatever reason the squad of Sheffield United FC, which finished 5th respectively last season has simply turned SHIT.

I find the remarkable drop in performances and results quite extraordinary to be perfectly honest.

Right, I'm gonna say it. I'm a bloody broken record, but I'm gonna say it. Kevin McDonald is the most talented centre mid we have had since brown (arguably better IMO). All of this season is down to the fact we sold him. People really really did not appreciate him whilst he was here, same for Britton et al. That's why I still feel sympathy for weir. Had we kept McDonald, we would be top 6 now, I absolutely believe that.

 

[cooperblade]

Since we went top of the league with the win at Bournemouth, we've played 35 matches under 4 different managers.

I haven't seen them all but I reckon we've played really well in 2 of those - Swindon under Morgan and Notts Co under Weir.

At the moment, and it's very early days indeed for Clough, no manager has shown real signs of being able to get anything out of this group of players. It's important that we move on every player who is out of contract at the end of this season.

 

[Kenilworth]

Fair points but Cloughs it's early days yet if we win Saturday we are well off the bottom.

That's a fairly naive viewpoint, Racy. We are not playing in isolation from the rest of the division.

IF we win AND IF everyone else around us loses (Brizzle by definition as we are playing them) then we will only be 1 point clear of the drop zone.
Not sure how that constitutes "well off the bottom" ?

I must say I have grave concerns about any turnaround at the moment - regardless as to who is in charge.
It seems to me that the players are in denial about the predicament we are in. They seem to be in a state of, "it'll be alright - we just keep plugging away and things will turn around"

NO IT FUCKING WON'T unless you all pull your collective fucking fingers out and start competing to earn the right to play.

We appear to be drifting aimlessly into the abyss - AGAIN!

 

[Kenilworth]

Right, I'm gonna say it. I'm a bloody broken record, but I'm gonna say it. Kevin McDonald is the most talented centre mid we have had since brown (arguably better IMO). All of this season is down to the fact we sold him. People really really did not appreciate him whilst he was here, same for Britton et al. That's why I still feel sympathy for weir. Had we kept McDonald, we would be top 6 now, I absolutely believe that.

I don't

 

[alcoblade]

I don't

Neither do I. We fell away, remarkably, after selling our only goal scorer last Christmas. Now we're left arguing about if Porter is a bit shite, or completely shite.

Poor teams can win games with a goal scorer, but not without.

UTB

 

[secretchief]

Lappin, Doyle, McMahon, Collins, Maguire, Hill and White thats 7 players that were worse than Flynn IMO on Saturday. (maybe not in that order)

Ok well agree to disagree. I'm fairly certain he will be dropped after that performance.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

He's been here for less then a month and already as more wins then Weir.
From now to the January transfer window is his time to asses the squad and get a plan together.
(hopefully we will get on a good run before the window, but its up to the players to show what they have got)
We seen one very poor match at home and already we are ready to throw in the towel.
For now we have a new manager with a lot of experience, surely we are in capable hands.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

We recruited in the last transfer window presumably to fit the 4-2-3-1 that Weir wanted to play. Given that the system has been more than tinkered with, I think Clough needs a little longer.

 

[BerksBlade]

At least Clough is trying to make us hard to beat - although the plan is being scuppered by stupid individual mistakes. Weir didn't have a clue how to do this.
Apart from that I don't see much difference. The brief improvement under Morgs seems to have gone.

 

[Bladesman]

At least Clough is trying to make us hard to beat - although the plan is being scuppered by stupid individual mistakes. Weir didn't have a clue how to do this.
Apart from that I don't see much difference. The brief improvement under Morgs seems to have gone.

Morgan gave them a kick in the backside and seemed to have learnt a bit from his last stint in charge. Not a person to stick with long term though IMO.

 

[Grecian2000]

We seen one very poor match at home and already we are ready to throw in the towel.

Not half as ready as the players are.

I've seen far worse performances than last Saturday, it just comes after so many others AND with a manger who has had a few weeks to see the team/players. If, after said time, he thinks the best we can do is flood the midfield with crap full backs then that is very worrying time indeed.

 

[metalblade]

I thought last season Wilson was very defensive minded and negative which got results well into 2013 but he needed sacking just not with 5 games left in the season. Weir turned out to be much more negative than even Wilson and even much more clueless. Clough too early to say but the early signs given the team line up last weekend are not good another manager who seems to think we need to fill the team with defensive players, seems to be a pattern forming or maybe each manager realises what a pile of shit we have as players.

 

[Bladesman]

Too early to compere the two.

Clough does need time but I still would like to know why McGinn is not starting.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I'm an unhappy Blade at the moment (like everyone else) but let's be fair....nothing is as bad as what we watched under Weir. At least we're actually getting the ball into the opposition penalty area now.

 

[Racy]

That's a fairly naive viewpoint, Racy. We are not playing in isolation from the rest of the division.

IF we win AND IF everyone else around us loses (Brizzle by definition as we are playing them) then we will only be 1 point clear of the drop zone.
Not sure how that constitutes "well off the bottom" ?

I must say I have grave concerns about any turnaround at the moment - regardless as to who is in charge.
It seems to me that the players are in denial about the predicament we are in. They seem to be in a state of, "it'll be alright - we just keep plugging away and things will turn around"

NO IT FUCKING WON'T unless you all pull your collective fucking fingers out and start competing to earn the right to play.

We appear to be drifting aimlessly into the abyss - AGAIN!

We're at cross purposes Kenilworth what I meant to say is if we had beaten Gillingham we would be up the league not if we beat Bristol.
However I believe Clough will turn our season around and will see him putting his own stamp on the team over the next few weeks
He's an experienced manager used to running players not a rookie
I'm confident he'll turn it round and soon.
Everything we've talked about on here he'll have seen also.
Patience