Chris Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss

[Pedro Verde]

Not ITK but have been told their are additional wealthy Saudi investors waiting on the sidelines for CW to depart so they can bring in a DOF, sign european players, increase wages and build new training ground.

But... They will NOT invest whilst CW has so much power.

If this new investment is real as a previous poster has suggested why hasnt Wilder been sacked
Surely a no brainer for the cash strapped Prince, some fans would understand and accept it with how this season has gone. The other scenario would be for the Prince to tell Wilder Im hiring a DOF like it or lump it and watch him walk

 

[Robboblade1889]

My gut feeling is that CW has taken us forward at an incredible pace and we will all be thankful for that. But has taken us as far as he can imho.

I have a feeling that Chris is not adaptable enough and too mardy when doesn't get his own way and wants full control of everything.

Sorry not going to happen Chris. Not ITK but have been told their are additional wealthy Saudi investors waiting on the sidelines for CW to depart so they can bring in a DOF, sign european players, increase wages and build new training ground.

But... They will NOT invest whilst CW has so much power.

Good If it’s a choice between wealthy Saudi investors and Chris Wilder being in charge I will take chris wilder every day of week and twice on a Monday. Fuck me is that the be all and end all to be some rich club without an identity and people here who don’t give a fuck about the club?
I want to go to match see the lads give their all have a few beers then go home. If we are successful then brilliant.

 

[bromtom]

Can't see any sensible investors saying Wilder has to go considering the main reason we're attractive to investors is due to Chris Wilder.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Fuck me is that the be all and end all to be some rich club without an identity and people here who don’t give a fuck about the club?

You mean like Man City and West Ham

 

[Carlton Blade]

I agree. Despite what some people are now saying our historic recruitment under wilder was a sucess and it followed a certain criteria. I would probably say it hasn't carried over easy to the premier league. Wilder wants good characters aswell as good players. It is a big part of the club. Previously he had contacted people within the game for references on players. Why we can't extend this into a European setting I don't know. Surely he could build contacts in different leagues with peoples opinions that he trusts. You don't just get "good lads" in the UK . However nobody knows what he needs more than Chris himself and any attempt to fix this has to have him calling the shots.

I think he should have a leading voice but there needs to be a fair few more people involved. It's too much work for too few people

 

[Carlton Blade]

Not one that wanted to come here

Seriously? Not a single player in the whole world of football?

 

[PageHallBlade]

cant see why a DOF is seen as a bad idea if CW was to move it would be to a club that invariably has a DOF ( most clubs have them now).

the issue comes where a DOF buys players with no input form the manager and expects the manager/Coach to shoehorn them into a team

 

[Johnstreetstand]

Who are these successful clubs with memorable directors of football
just curious..

 

[Andy67]

This isn't Football manager. The club is a business. Why pay over the odds for a player running down his contract when you can shop abroad and get better value for money?

Would you pay £200 for a pair of white trainers or £100 for a different pair of white trainers that are practically identical to the £200 pair in every way except the price?

Not bad a price when you consider liver managed to pick him up in jan. He wouldn’t have broken the bank and we wouldn’t have been shocking down the left. No it isn’t football manager but Wilder wanted him and the board said no but it will have been a very costly mistake at the end of the season.

 

[jono_t2000]

Who are these successful clubs with memorable directors of football
just curious..

Here's a good article on who some notable ones are and what they have achieved. Includes getting maximum value for sales as well as bringing in talent

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...le-united-director-football-takeover-18391877

 

[Johnstreetstand]

Here's a good article on who some notable ones are and what they have achieved. Includes getting maximum value for sales as well as bringing in talent

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/spo...le-united-director-football-takeover-18391877

Cheers, that’s interesting reading. Not guaranteed to be an improvement. Think more Liverpool springs to mind.

 

[jono_t2000]

No not guaranteed but I think DOF extract better maximum value for ingoings and outgoings, which is understandable considering they can focus on it 24/7 rather than with a manager who has dozens other things to do on top.

 

[PageHallBlade]

Who are these successful clubs with memorable directors of football
just curious..

why do they need to be memorable ?

but as you ask
Tottenham
Everton
Liverpool
Leicester

 

[nopigfansintown]

I think the Prince is right to think recruitment not been great but they sanction the deals and tip up the lolly, Chris is old school like a lot of us. On saying that even I accept football has moved on and not a fan of DoF but if it frees CW to concentrate on the team, who knows surely he'll still have some input.

I remember a DoF was talked about when I think Warnock was here but never got off the ground, it has to be a 2 way agreement and has to be in the total best interests of the club.

They don't just sanction the deals - they vote on them. If CW wanted Brewster and they outvoted him, no Brewster. If they recommend a player it is brought to the table the same as if CW, AK or Mitchell recommends a player.

 

[nopigfansintown]

There's no reason why a DoF can't get along with a coach/manager. In normal circumstances that coach would be their own appointee. They should always work in tandem.

As you say, the problem could well be that the current manager will not want to relinquish any of his power.

However, the club needs more expertise in recruitment. There is a change now, though, as it won't be possible to bring in so many EU players and all clubs in the Championship will feel the effects of that.

Like Bettis...

 

[nopigfansintown]

What clubs haven't got a DoF though? If he goes and gets another job, is a stipulation of him signing going to be "sack your recruitment team" because if they have a look at our recruitment, they're not going to bother.

It's an old way of doing things, and it's worked for Wilder most of the time, but he's not going to get other Premier League jobs if he leaves us if he's not willing to work with a DoF structure.

He's brought it on himself with our shite recruitment this season, and our so-so recruitment last season, so hopefully he doesn't chuck the baby out with the bathwater and they can compromise. What I'd like is a transfer team that either Wilder can give targets to and the sort it out, or Wilder can give a 'type' to and they bring back a load of CVs from other places than the Championship, but would that offend him too?

Already happens.

 

[dc_blade]

Who are these successful clubs with memorable directors of football
just curious..

Steve Walsh building the title winning team at Leicester is the most famous recent example in England.

Michael Zorc at Dortmund is one of the biggest success stories for the model in Europe.

 

[nopigfansintown]

My gut feeling is that CW has taken us forward at an incredible pace and we will all be thankful for that. But has taken us as far as he can imho.

I have a feeling that Chris is not adaptable enough and too mardy when doesn't get his own way and wants full control of everything.

Sorry not going to happen Chris. Not ITK but have been told their are additional wealthy Saudi investors waiting on the sidelines for CW to depart so they can bring in a DOF, sign european players, increase wages and build new training ground.

But... They will NOT invest whilst CW has so much power.

Easily solved. Buy the club and sack him. Easy peasy.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Wilder will leave for the start of next season and he will leave for a team that is currently in the bottom 5 of our division. Wilder has been rightfully furious about not getting the agreement to get his left centre back target but Lingard was the end of it.

I’d be very surprised. The bottom 5 currently consists of us, WBA, Fulham, Newcastle & Brighton. The only one that would have anything to do with CW is WBA, and they’ve got even less money than us.

The recent washing of dirty laundry in public is just deflecting the reality of how absolutely gash we’ve been for nearly 12 months. Perhaps if we’d been within touching distance of safety at the start of the JTW, the board might have been more receptive to spending money. Perhaps PA is rightly furious when he looks at where a lot of the money has been spent, and value of said players compared to purchase price.

Our financial resources are scare and it might have been wiser to either shift some players out last summer or not buy Rammers and/or Brewster, to have enabled us to fund a new LCB. But CW wanted both, was backed & got both.

After the season we’ve had, to now start bitching about failing to sign 2 loanees in January when we are double digit points from safety is the equivalent of the captain of the titanic moaning about the tunes the band were playing.

 

[bartman]

Not bad a price when you consider liver managed to pick him up in jan. He wouldn’t have broken the bank and we wouldn’t have been shocking down the left. No it isn’t football manager but Wilder wanted him and the board said no but it will have been a very costly mistake at the end of the season.

Wilder asks for us to bid on a player within budget and not a loan, and the board say no ? Your posts are changing each time about this player. .

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Wilder asks for us to bid on a player within budget and not a loan, and the board say no ? Your posts are changing each time about this player. .

The story I was told was that the Preston defender didn’t like our contract offer. Preston had offered him a new deal (big by their standards) and we’d offered nearly double that but with a 50% relegation reduction clause. He was happy to flirt with celtic, until Liverpool came in for him.

As it turns out, it might have been better to have swapped CR with him in the summer?

 

[bartman]

The story I was told was that the Preston defender didn’t like our contract offer. Preston had offered him a new deal (big by their standards) and we’d offered nearly double that but with a 50% relegation reduction clause. He was happy to flirt with celtic, until Liverpool came in for him.

As it turns out, it might have been better to have swapped CR with him in the summer?

We only had a budget for 2 loans in January and PNE obviously wanted to cash in and the player did also ( their perogative).

Wilder rightly places his values on players so the club doesnt over pay. The Board aren't perfect but for some to criticise them for not buying Ben Davies is wrong.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

A good unbiased article clarifying a few facts on both sides. Not much new although in line with a few others yesterday which didn’t just repeat the daily Mail story, it suggests DOF isn’t the issue. This seemed to get hardly a mention but it’s much more likely than them trying to impose a DoF.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Good If it’s a choice between wealthy Saudi investors and Chris Wilder being in charge I will take chris wilder every day of week and twice on a Monday. Fuck me is that the be all and end all to be some rich club without an identity and people here who don’t give a fuck about the club?
I want to go to match see the lads give their all have a few beers then go home. If we are successful then brilliant.

We disagree in how much at fault Wilder is but I want nothing to do with further Saudi investment thanks

 

[Carlton Blade]

A good unbiased article clarifying a few facts on both sides. Not much new although in line with a few others yesterday which didn’t just repeat the daily Mail story, it suggests DOF isn’t the issue. This seemed to get hardly a mention but it’s much more likely than them trying to impose a DoF.

I'm frustrated with both extremes of the argument. I don't want to be taken over by rich Saudis who suck the heart out of the club. No interest at all. I'm also not in the "we used to be shit, Wilder gets to decide everything and do whatever he wants forever" club.

United have found themselves in the position of having an owner who seems to give a shit and doesn't do daft stuff (you must have this to be successful) and a manager who fits the club and has had 80% of his seasons be successful. Sort it out please lads.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

To be fair they make a fair point we’ve spent more money than most in Europe and our best team consists on 90% of the team that took us up.

We’ve not spent well at all, I don’t how Wilder can argue against that or threaten to quit?

If anything he should hold his hands up

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm frustrated with both extremes of the argument. I don't want to be taken over by rich Saudis who suck the heart out of the club. No interest at all. I'm also not in the "we used to be shit, Wilder gets to decide everything and do whatever he wants forever" club.

United have found themselves in the position of having an owner who seems to give a shit and doesn't do daft stuff (you must have this to be successful) and a manager who fits the club and has had 80% of his seasons be successful. Sort it out please lads.

And that, I believe, is the sensible middle ground if you take a balanced view of the stories being reported. There appears to actually not be a huge gap between them, so reporting that the relationship is broken or inferring a split is even likely at this stage seem hyperbolic.
They’ve had a disagreement, and employee frustrations have come to the fore but broken or beyond repair? I just don’t see it, unless Wilder actually wants out, which again I don’t think he would.
It’s all just seems like positioning for the next stage and Wilder is using the tools available to him.

 

[Carlton Blade]

And that, I believe, is the sensible middle ground if you take a balanced view of the stories being reported. There appears to actually not be a huge gap between them, so reporting that the relationship is broken or inferring a split is even likely at this stage seem hyperbolic.
They’ve had a disagreement, and employee frustrations have come to the fore but broken or beyond repair? I just don’t see it, unless Wilder actually wants out, which again I don’t think he would.
It’s all just seems like positioning for the next stage and Wilder is using the tools available to him.

Who knows. I hope both sides get their heads together and sort it out. We don't need a DoF, Wilder needs to get help with recruitment. Both can be true

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

To be fair they make a fair point we’ve spent more money than most in Europe and our best team consists on 90% of the team that took us up.

We’ve not spent well at all, I don’t how Wilder can argue against that or threaten to quit?

If anything he should hold his hands up

I see that as part of a handy narrative. Like any data it can be manipulated and using net spend does that in this case. How are Sheffield United supposed to go from L1 to staying in the Premier league and keep net spend down? They have no assets to sell if they’re going to grow. Leicester and Liverpool aren’t on the list because it gives them the benefit of big sales and the fact they weren’t starting from the same place. They should be judged like for like, not manipulated in order to distort the true picture.
That £117M would easily be covered by the assets acquired and we have to buy promising talent rather than the finished article due to financial constraints the other teams don’t have, namely wages.
This is bias on my part, but I genuinely believe all our major purchases will become success’ and worth more than we’ve paid, but for that I think we need to keep the coaching team in place to ensure that continuity and growth.

 

[Mumbo]

Wilder's position as Sheffield United boss under serious threat

EXCLUSIVE: Chris Wilder's future at Sheffield United is being threatened by disagreements with the club's owners over key issues such as recruitment and the state of the training ground.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Wilder has talked about ‘The Plan’ and if it’s not followed his future is uncertain
He’s spent over 60 million on strikers that are ineffective,so he has not delivered on his side of the plan which is on the playing field.
If the Prince thinks it’s time to change the plan it’s his prerogative.
Wilder sounds a bit like a spoilt kid sometimes and could easily talk his way into the sack.He’s talked about unity but he’s publicly demonstrating the opposite.
Wilder needs to grow up a bit.