Outgoing? Chris Wilder

[paidsy]

That's a massive shame for you. You missed the best Blades Wembley performance this side of WW2 and our best ever play off campaign

He's totally rebuilt the culture in a pre season from one of not trying, tool downers, to one of players running through brick walls for the clubs. Amazing achievement I'm sure you'll agree.

Not a fan of Sharp, Mcgoldrick, Clarke, Campbell. You surprise me.

Where was you're leadership? By your own account you bottled the whole day. Ironic you talk of petulance when you personified it.

We still lost in the play offs.

It's fine to defend Wilder but talking about this play off campaign in a positive light is just insane.

 

[paidsy]

Our best run in terms of chances created actually came right at the end of the season post Burnley which makes it all the more frustrating that we reverted to type in the 2nd half of the final.

What winds me up so much about the final is I think most of us knew at HT what was coming. We were absolutely lighting them up but we just knew the white flag was coming out at some point.

 

[Spindrift]

I just couldn't face going to Wembley for the final, but I also felt quietly confident in promotion too. Remembering Burnley, Huddersfield and the FA semi with Hull, the walk to the tube with the noise from the stadium behind me was difficult.
Respect to all who took the trouble to go, it must have been all the more raw in the circumstances.
Whatever happens I will look forward to local fixtures on the south coast next season, in the hope I can sing some support and earn a little respect too.

 

[Roygbiv]

What winds me up so much about the final is I think most of us knew at HT what was coming. We were absolutely lighting them up but we just knew the white flag was coming out at some point.

We very nearly saw it out. Brooks scores and it's game over then nobody is talking about changing the manager. We played for fine margins all season and it nearly worked.

That said, the Brooks chance was our only real opportunity in the half and it came from a hopeful punt and a Sunderland mistake. It wasn't some great plan and it would have been a Sunderland error if we'd scored rather than United fashioning a good chance.

The final sort of summed up the whole season. A fantastic start before tailing off. We nearly did it but in the end we didn't do quite enough

 

[paidsy]

We very nearly saw it out. Brooks scores and it's game over then nobody is talking about changing the manager. We played for fine margins all season and it nearly worked.

That said, the Brooks chance was our only real opportunity in the half and it came from a hopeful punt and a Sunderland mistake. It wasn't some great plan and it would have been a Sunderland error if we'd scored rather than United fashioning a good chance.

The final sort of summed up the whole season. A fantastic start before tailing off. We nearly did it but in the end we didn't do quite enough

I think it's abundantly clear we would have been in for a big fight to match Derbys total next year if we went up.

I've not seen much evidence since Wilder came back that he's got the knack of changing things mid game whereas all the managers around him have proven that ability, most against us...

 

[PrestwichBlade]

People like this will find literally any reason to hate on Wilder. It's pathological with them. Ask for some logic and they are always found wanting. It's always singing ont tables, dunt teck responsibility, sandwiches, likes a beer, walked darnt tunnel, back door. Different year, same crap.

Do you think Chrisseh would be the right man to lead us in the Premier League were we to achieve promotion? To cope with the pressure in the big games, manage the input from AI and data analytics teams? Work with an increasingly progressive board? Handle a big budget well? Adapt a system to cope with and be successful at the next level?

 

[LondonBlade89]

Our best run in terms of chances created actually came right at the end of the season post Burnley which makes it all the more frustrating that we reverted to type in the 2nd half of the final.

The 4-4-2 switch generally is one thing that gives me hope with Wilder.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Do you think Chrisseh would be the right man to lead us in the Premier League were we to achieve promotion? To cope with the pressure in the big games, manage the input from AI and data analytics teams? Work with an increasingly progressive board? Handle a big budget well? Adapt a system to cope with and be successful at the next level?

Well done for replying to that pile of shite, I couldn’t be arsed. But you already know the answer. Some want a badge thumper, “one of us” who gets us and likes a few beers. A feisty little underdog who the world is against. Someone who can make them better about themselves. And they are terrified about having anything other than that.

 

[Booker4]

I think if I was the owners I’d get rid, I’ve defended Wilder on here all season but his inability to win big games, tactical naivety & his antics that have cost the club thousands in fines aren’t what a club who possibly wants to build into a premiership established team need.

If he does go I don’t think you’ll see Dyche or any of the others mentioned, I think it’ll be a data decision possibly similar to the Danny Rohl appointment at Wednesday (I’m not saying it would be him, we all know it won’t)

If you look over the years Wilder has been here we've won many big games. Leeds away back in 2019 is up there, the derby games; in fact he's unbeaten in derby matches, the games we won to get promoted previously, unbeaten in London all season in the first PL season. We lost last weekend by a combination of poor finishing, VAR and one of the players giving the ball away at the worst moment.

I don't see how Wilder can be blamed for this. The games we lost in that week near the end can happen like it did to Leeds who had worse results than us for weeks but their superior quality eventually got them through, I.e Solomon, Dan James, Tanaka, Piroe, Bogle, Firpo, Rothwell.

We lost two of our best players in Souttar and Arblaster to injury .

I may add that Burnley and Sunderland also have some very good players that would walk into our team. Vini, Hamer and Cooper are our standouts but Sunderland have Paterson, Bellingham, Ballard, Watson and Mayenda all of which are as good as our players in the same position if not better.

If you think and others think now's the time to let Wilder go I'd say it's madness myself.

He's not perfect but I don't believe any other manager we could get would get more points than Wilder got this season.

 

[thehet]

As I said, some United fans fear change and are rooted in the DNA of how the club has always been. I would be happy to take a punt on an unknown foreign manager if they had a good record where they've come from.

I'm not suggesting we take a total unknown who has never managed before. I'm not saying hire them on the basis that no one one had heard of them.

There will be plenty of young foreign managers with good records who would be interested in managing us, who would fit the direction the owners want to go in of being a progressive club. We will never be progressive under an old-school stubborn manager like Wilder who is stuck in his ways, irrespective of his history and prior achievements.

Define a good record?
Look up Le Bris’ at Lorient.

Sausage Röhl’s?

Thomas Frank couldn’t get Brøndby past the group stages of the Europa league so was fired, played assistant for 2 years at Brentford and took a further 3 years to get them up, including, lo and behold, a playoff final defeat.

Has any club in the championship ever brought in a young (define) overseas manager with a good record (define) and gone up within what we be an acceptable timeframe for our board and fans?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Do you think Chrisseh would be the right man to lead us in the Premier League were we to achieve promotion? To cope with the pressure in the big games, manage the input from AI and data analytics teams? Work with an increasingly progressive board? Handle a big budget well? Adapt a system to cope with and be successful at the next level?

I think a lot of that is hypothetical and it's not useful for anyone to deal in those, but...

Sheffield United are already inputting data analytics and have been for some years. If current systems are replaced by better systems I presume he'll just start using them instead of the old tech. What evidence or rationale is there that he wouldn't? Indeed, we've already had some comments that new signings have been signed under the Data system.

Define "progressive"? I'd class Wilder as a progressive coach using my own definition. If anything in his time here he's been far too progressive for Sheffield United. Certainly on the off the field issues. He was pushing for better pitches and better facilities to aid training and recovery before the new owners. He's also been in favour of academy development before the new owners were here. He was on the cover of 4-4-2 magazine as the "English Guardiola" due to his progressive tactics a few years ago. I haven't seen anything as progressive since then. I think it's a myth that he's a dinosaur.

Wilder is the only coach to input a modern system coming up from the Championship whilst having a measure of success in years. I turn that question on its head: why couldn't the only manager who has done that do it again? This was despite a tiny wage budget.

I doubt we'll have a big budget. If we do it'll be interesting to see him manage with one for the first time. I'd love to see Wilder have Forestesque backing. My belief is any manager will struggle and probably be gone by Christmas. The gap is a chasm. A lot of fans will want them gone, the board will likely panic, the inevitable will happen

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

If you look over the years Wilder has been here we've won many big games. Leeds away back in 2019 is up there, the derby games; in fact he's unbeaten in derby matches, the games we won to get promoted previously, unbeaten in London all season in the first PL season. We lost last weekend by a combination of poor finishing, VAR and one of the players giving the ball away at the worst moment.

I don't see how Wilder can be blamed for this. The games we lost in that week near the end can happen like it did to Leeds who had worse results than us for weeks but their superior quality eventually got them through, I.e Solomon, Dan James, Tanaka, Piroe, Bogle, Firpo, Rothwell.

We lost two of our best players in Souttar and Arblaster to injury .

I may add that Burnley and Sunderland also have some very good players that would walk into our team. Vini, Hamer and Cooper are our standouts but Sunderland have Paterson, Bellingham, Ballard, Watson and Mayenda all of which are as good as our players in the same position if not better.

If you think and others think now's the time to let Wilder go I'd say it's madness myself.

He's not perfect but I don't believe any other manager we could get would get more points than Wilder got this season.

I agree in his first stint I’d always feel confident in big games, including some of the Premiership games where we went and got a point at Arsenal, Tottenham, beat Palace etc. In the championship we had a justified arrogance about how we play. Now we don’t. We’re hard to beat, rugged, unflattering. Most teams that have lost to us possibly considered themselves unlucky.

He lost every big game apart from Sunderland at home. We lost twice to all the promoted teams. He accumulated a fantastic amount of points, but it meant nothing. His antics were embarrassing & his behaviour was pub standard things that the board I presume don’t want.

He is also tactically naive, I get the points you’ve made about opposition players and injuries but that doesn’t change my view on his ability to change a game. I think a lot of the games we’ve won is we simply had better players than the opposition

If you judge Wilder on points per game then he’ll stay. If you judge him on transfer record (since new owners joined), behaviour and the stats that Roygbiv pointed out above then there’s a strong possibility he goes

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I think a lot of that is hypothetical and it's not useful for anyone to deal in those, but...

Sheffield United are already inputting data analytics and have been for some years. If current systems are replaced by better systems I presume he'll just start using them instead of the old tech. What evidence or rationale is there that he wouldn't? Indeed, we've already had some comments that new signings have been signed under the Data system.

Define "progressive"? I'd class Wilder as a progressive coach using my own definition. If anything in his time here he's been far too progressive for Sheffield United. Certainly on the off the field issues. He was pushing for better pitches and better facilities to aid training and recovery before the new owners. He's also been in favour of academy development before the new owners were here. He was on the cover of 4-4-2 magazine as the "English Guardiola" due to his progressive tactics a few years ago. I haven't seen anything as progressive since then. I think it's a myth that he's a dinosaur.

Wilder is the only coach to input a modern system coming up from the Championship whilst having a measure of success in years. I turn that question on its head: why couldn't the only manager who has done that do it again? This was despite a tiny wage budget.

I doubt we'll have a big budget. If we do it'll be interesting to see him manage with one for the first time. I'd love to see Wilder have Forestesque backing. My belief is any manager will struggle and probably be gone by Christmas. The gap is a chasm. A lot of fans will want them gone, the board will likely panic, the inevitable will happen

Cheers, appreciate your thoughts. I think for me, one of my key concerns is that in all likelihood there will be more people involved in the day to day running, perhaps a director of football type role as well. I appreciate this is my opinion, but I'm not sure Wilder can operate in that environment. As for budget, he's been given money to spend in recent years and in my view, not spent it wisely.

 

[KOPPO]

look what slav did it was nothing, we blades would deffo be in freefall if koppo sufc legend tufty goes,give him another chance ,ffs,AARRRR

 

[Woodys Thunderbolt]

Agreed. All those grown men throwing their scarves into the tier below like toddlers playing in an 'who can look the most upset' competition deserved more.

And if 35,000 fans stayed until the bitter end then so should the manager.

In all seriousness, if he walked straight down the tunnel (I didn't notice), he probably regrets it. It's totally out of character for him but I can't imagine he's ever felt hurt like that in football before and I don't have an issue with it.

Grown men are allowed to throw an unwanted souvenir away when they’ve just seen their team capitulate for the thousandth time in our history.

 

[MayorOJC]

Our squad cost almost 4 times as much as Sunderland's, and that's not including the big wages we'll have been paying the likes of Choudhury, BBD and Holding. They managed to beat us with a team assembled from basically the same money as we paid for Brewster. Can you imagine how much they'd blow us away if they had the ability to spend as much as we have?

That needs to be the take away. Wilder has had a ridiculous amount of money to put together a competitive team. We're not plucky little Sheffield United. In terms of spend, we're Man City in a league of Ipswich's.

 

[54yrblade]

That's a massive shame for you. You missed the best Blades Wembley performance this side of WW2 and our best ever play off campaign

He's totally rebuilt the culture in a pre season from one of not trying, tool downers, to one of players running through brick walls for the clubs. Amazing achievement I'm sure you'll agree.

Not a fan of Sharp, Mcgoldrick, Clarke, Campbell. You surprise me.

Where was you're leadership? By your own account you bottled the whole day. Ironic you talk of petulance when you personified it.

That's a massive shame for you. You missed the best Blades Wembley performance this side of WW2 and our best ever play off campaign

He's totally rebuilt the culture in a pre season from one of not trying, tool downers, to one of players running through brick walls for the clubs. Amazing achievement I'm sure you'll agree.

Not a fan of Sharp, Mcgoldrick, Clarke, Campbell. You surprise me.

Where was you're leadership? By your own account you bottled the whole day. Ironic you talk of petulance when you personified it.

Billy, Didzy, Leon were great and had their time. I'd swap Cannon for either of them right now.

My leadership isn't a discussion point. I'm a customer, or punter, and make choices based on that.

The leader didn't get us over the line and left his lads and supporters to deal with the defeat.

Gutted, but we'll move on in August with or without him.

 

[ATL Recs]

Define a good record?
Look up Le Bris’ at Lorient.

Sausage Röhl’s?

Thomas Frank couldn’t get Brøndby past the group stages of the Europa league so was fired, played assistant for 2 years at Brentford and took a further 3 years to get them up, including, lo and behold, a playoff final defeat.

Has any club in the championship ever brought in a young (define) overseas manager with a good record (define) and gone up within what we be an acceptable timeframe for our board and fans?

Sunderland ( defined as not oldish)

 

[Blade56]

…..Brooks scores and it's game over then nobody is talking about changing the manager

Eeeerrrrr, I would, I’ve consistently said all season if we get promotion make it worth his while to walk.

Had we been promoted we needed a new kind of manager and a new ethos in the club.

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Absolutely spot on mate … they ignore the fact that all of our recent history of being in or close to the Premier League is entirely down to Chris and his team. There are some very short memories that forget the absolute mess the club became in League 1. Before his arrival, it was more likely we get relegated than promoted. We all know things should have been different after our 9th place finish. At that point most other clubs would have enabled Chris to properly compete on wages… it never happened and he was rightly as frustrated as we were to see the opportunity thrown away.
As for his stints at Middlesborough and Watford …. Of course they’ve both really thrived since he left…. Ah no … pretty much where he left them.
As you say there’s a sense of entitlement amongst many that completely ignores financial reality and the relative size of the club. They also ignore every positive this season (Souttar, Burrows, Cooper, Campbell, Peck, Seriki, O Hare etc. etc.. ) and instead highlight the negatives…. Players not fulfilling potential or not hitting the ground running obviously never happens at other clubs.
We were literally one dodgy VAR decision away from the PL this season and so called fans want to sack the manager….. entitled is one word but i can think of many better ones.

You fail to mention that the football can be boring to watch.
Leeds and Burnley attacked with pace and were far better than us for it.
Even Sunderland attacked with pace while we pass it sideways or backwards giving teams time to get everyone back.
We know what's going to happen if we go 1-0 up we drop deeper and deeper as we did against Sunderland instead of going for the kill. His substitutions at times can be really baffling and tend to support the fact we tend do tend to drop deep to try and hang on to 1-0.
Then there is his antics in bars singing about rival managers which at the very least is embarrassing and cringe worthy.

 

[ATL Recs]

Eeeerrrrr, I would, I’ve consistently said all season if we get promotion make it worth his while to walk.

Had we been promoted we needed a new kind of manager and a new ethos in the club.

I’m with you there said it all along this seasons journey

 

[Webding]

As long as the new manager pronounces it 'happy' instead of 'appeh' , they're perfectly content for us to go flying headlong into non-league.

Surely the correct way to say it would be “appi”? “Appeh” sounds more East Midlands, which by your implied “Sheffield accents only” rule leads us to the sad conclusion of Wilder aaht me ducks

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Why do I always see look what Slav did. He didn’t have a budget to do anything ffs. If he was here now he’d change everything the way we play

 

[Aston max]

We very nearly saw it out. Brooks scores and it's game over then nobody is talking about changing the manager. We played for fine margins all season and it nearly worked.

That said, the Brooks chance was our only real opportunity in the half and it came from a hopeful punt and a Sunderland mistake. It wasn't some great plan and it would have been a Sunderland error if we'd scored rather than United fashioning a good chance.

The final sort of summed up the whole season. A fantastic start before tailing off. We nearly did it but in the end we didn't do quite enough

I think more than a few of us mate would still have felt very uneasy about wilder taking us into the premier if we'd have won that game !!

 

[vas borbokis]

Eeeerrrrr, I would, I’ve consistently said all season if we get promotion make it worth his while to walk.

Had we been promoted we needed a new kind of manager and a new ethos in the club.

You might well think that, however you are a self proclaimed clown, are you not?

 

[Gin&Juice]

Define a good record?
Look up Le Bris’ at Lorient.

Sausage Röhl’s?

Thomas Frank couldn’t get Brøndby past the group stages of the Europa league so was fired, played assistant for 2 years at Brentford and took a further 3 years to get them up, including, lo and behold, a playoff final defeat.

Has any club in the championship ever brought in a young (define) overseas manager with a good record (define) and gone up within what we be an acceptable timeframe for our board

Nuno at Wolves, maybe?

Jean Tigana at Fulham all those years ago? Former Monaco manager. Was he young?

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Define a good record?
Look up Le Bris’ at Lorient.

Sausage Röhl’s?

Thomas Frank couldn’t get Brøndby past the group stages of the Europa league so was fired, played assistant for 2 years at Brentford and took a further 3 years to get them up, including, lo and behold, a playoff final defeat.

Has any club in the championship ever brought in a young (define) overseas manager with a good record (define) and gone up within what we be an acceptable timeframe for our board and fans?

Therein lies one of our previous problems. Both fans and previous owners have generally expected promotion in season 1 of a new manager's reign.

What is an acceptable timeframe is down to the owners. As fans we don't often give them time to truly build a good team and develop players because of the obsession with results.

Sometimes you have to sacrifice a season or two to give us a chance of going up and staying up.

 

[thehet]

Sunderland ( defined as not oldish)

Look up Le Bris’ record…

 

[thehet]

Nuno at Wolves, maybe?

Jean Tigana at Fulham all those years ago? Former Monaco manager. Was he young?

And so the evidence tells us that this idea of a “young coach from overseas with new ideas” is filled with deludemol.
UNLESS, the fanbase isn’t baying for blood in the first 2 years after finishing 13th and losing in the PO’s again.

Forget it.

 

[Barney Rubble]

Why do I always see look what Slav did. He didn’t have a budget to do anything ffs. If he was here now he’d change everything the way we play

Well Hecky was able to get the players Slav had and almost got them promoted, whereas Slav had us sleepwalking into a relegation battle.

People bang on about Wilder having no plan B, but Slav was completely inflexible and only tried to play the one way.