Chris Wilder anyone????

[SUFC Handsworth]

We shouldn't just stick with Adkins because of the number of managers sacked in recent years. If he isn't up to the job (and on this season's efforts think he's well short of what we need as manager) then we want to get rid. We stuck with Haslam for 3 years and he took us from mid 2nd tier to the gates of the 4th division.

Adkins inherited a decent squad of players that only needed a decent spine (big centre half, decent target man and bite in midfield, all three leaders of men) adding to it. Instead of that he added Edgar, Hammond and Sammon, all three not effective enough for what we needed. Personally I'd sack the f***er.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The Chelsea players got Jose the sack as they didn't want him around so I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that ours could be doing the same. There are clearly a lot of unhappy players in our squad. It seems very similar to when Micky Adams was here when he had a fair few players who didn't want to play for him.

Micky Adams was starieyed with managing the club and some of the players that were at the Lane . Adams mindset was that he had finally made it . Difference is with Wilder , he wouldn't care a fuck about reputations and would not think he had made it landing a job at the lane . His plan would be to use SUFC for better things going upwards not downwards .

The bloke we should be knocking is Adkins and the players . They have failed .

McCabe has a major dilemma - does he stick or twist , and as the season comes to a close , Adkins reputation and stock asset drops like a stone . Put blaming players and fans to one side and analyse what he says and what we actually do on a Saturday or Tuesday .



UTB

 

[Canterbury Blade]

I went to school with Chris, played centre half behind him for two years and used to go to the Lane with him. In 1982 4 clubs came in for him as a 14 year old, United, pigs, Barnsley and Southampton. His whole family moved South and his apprenticeship was with Shearer. Don't forget at that time Southampton was McMenemy and Keegan and we were well...

I say this because he is a sensible man, does whats right for his career and whilst he is a fan as well as an ex player and still lives in Sheffield, I doubt he would swop what he's got for what we offer. He is too sensible...

I'd love to see him manage United and I think so would he, but not now, he would be the next victim of the curse of Bladesmen at the helm....

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

There are quite a few managers I'd look to before turning to another guy who's having his season in the sun in League Two. We tried that with Micky Adams. He was Bladey too. Northampton have had very good financial backing as well by the way.

So Northampton have got more dosh than us as well?

 

[Bladesince59]

Do you really think footballers getting paid up to half a million pounds a year , go out on a football pitch with 18000 people watching and think Im not going to bother today as I preferred Nigel Clough ?
or is it more likely that they are
badly prepared ,poorly trained ,unclear on tactics ,messed about during the game and have no confidence.

I would say the second one of these and that is down to the manager. They could be managed ,but obviously not by the present car crash.

Precisely. Adkins is a fuckwit.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Is Wilder a viable option?

After a shite result at Fleetwood and only 35 replies so far, that's your answer.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

I must confess that I haven't really followed Wilder's management career (apologies if it's been previously discussed on here) however a quick check of Google shows that he has a decent enough record.
Given that we employed someone who I was convinced was the best man available (Adkins) and have been proven horribly wrong.... Is Wilder a viable option or a hopeful punt??

I really can't take much more of the current man.

You mean Chris Wilder, the manager of a club that nearly folded at the start of this term and have their league sewn up with virtually a third of the season left. I have a lot of time for Chris and would love to see him at the Lane but, the managers job here is a poison chalice as NA is finding out.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Don't want Wilder. He's not experienced enough to manage a retard club like this
It would be grossly unfair on him and it will ruin a steadily progressing career. I hope for his own sake he doesn't come here

Don't think lack of experience could be levelled at him JJ.

 

[Bladesway]

I must confess that I haven't really followed Wilder's management career (apologies if it's been previously discussed on here) however a quick check of Google shows that he has a decent enough record.
Given that we employed someone who I was convinced was the best man available (Adkins) and have been proven horribly wrong.... Is Wilder a viable option or a hopeful punt??

I really can't take much more of the current man.

The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and to expect different results. So we keep sacking managers and guess what, we keep going backwards. Time to do something radical and stick with one for a second season. If he fails next season then it is fair to say it hasn't worked.

I'm convinced had Clough stayed we would have been better off but Hair Trigger Phipps and the team just love someone else to blame for their own fuck ups.

 

[Bladesway]

I'd take Wilder in a heart beat. I actually think the fact he is all Bladey would help him, the fans would rally round him.

Which I am afraid says everything about us.

 

[super_pig]

i keep swinging from keep Adkins to sack Adkins dependent upon my mood.. but there is one consistent opinion. NONE of the players out of contract should be retained. i'd keep billy, beard, done and che. .the rest can do one. if Adkins retains Hammond, Sammon or Woolford for next season, then he'd better be top with ten points clear by the end of November or the fans will lynch him. you have been warned Nigel

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

i keep swinging from keep Adkins to sack Adkins dependent upon my mood.. but there is one consistent opinion. NONE of the players out of contract should be retained. i'd keep billy, beard, done and che. .the rest can do one. if Adkins retains Hammond, Sammon or Woolford for next season, then he'd better be top with ten points clear by the end of November or the fans will lynch him. you have been warned Nigel

Sorry but you're wrong, if we start the season with any of those three it will show that his is clueless and the club will have got it wrong by keeping him. He should be sacked the minute he thinks of keeping any of those.

 

[PeteBlade]

I must confess that I haven't really followed Wilder's management career (apologies if it's been previously discussed on here) however a quick check of Google shows that he has a decent enough record.
Given that we employed someone who I was convinced was the best man available (Adkins) and have been proven horribly wrong.... Is Wilder a viable option or a hopeful punt??

I really can't take much more of the current man.

Don't know much about a manager but quickly googled him and think he should be our new manager.

This place is hilarious at times.

 

[PeteBlade]

Do you really think footballers getting paid up to half a million pounds a year , go out on a football pitch with 18000 people watching and think Im not going to bother today as I preferred Nigel Clough ?
or is it more likely that they are
badly prepared ,poorly trained ,unclear on tactics ,messed about during the game and have no confidence.

I would say the second one of these and that is down to the manager. They could be managed ,but obviously not by the present car crash.

Can't believe anyone would stick up for these dickhead players.

Beggars belief.

 

[grafikhaus]

Adkins has a decent record

Phil brown and Mowbray both decent records .

I doubt if a 'decent record' counts for anything - not just United but at any club. Take away the handful of managers whose careers have been largely successful (Allardyce, Mark Hughes, Bruce etc.) and it's probably down to a combination of luck and circumstances. Anybody looking at Carvalhal's record (Wendy are his 15th team since 1998) wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. 'We can't keep sacking managers.'? Didn't do Watford any harm last season. Most managers - particularly British - are crap and just keep in work due to the law of averages.

I'd take Wilder in a heart beat. I actually think the fact he is all Bladey would help him, the fans would rally round him.

Worked with Mickey Adams...

 

[TJB.]

The fact that sacking managers all the fucking time has contributed massively to where we are now, and some people want to swing the axe yet again, is simply astonishing. Remind yourselves of that 'definition of madness' quote.

People moan about how quickly and how often managers get sacked in modern football then don't give the man at their club longer than a third of their contract to bring about change. Bonky madness.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The fact that sacking managers all the fucking time has contributed massively to where we are now, and some people want to swing the axe yet again, is simply astonishing. Remind yourselves of that 'definition of madness' quote.

People moan about how quickly and how often managers get sacked in modern football then don't give the man at their club longer than a third of their contract to bring about change. Bonky madness.

You could argue the case that not sacking them quite so often and hanging on could be the problem?

 

[PeteBlade]

You could argue the case that not sacking them quite so often and hanging on could be the problem?

You could. But you'd be daft. As we don't do that.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The fact that sacking managers all the fucking time has contributed massively to where we are now, and some people want to swing the axe yet again, is simply astonishing. Remind yourselves of that 'definition of madness' quote.

People moan about how quickly and how often managers get sacked in modern football then don't give the man at their club longer than a third of their contract to bring about change. Bonky madness.

Appointing the wrong managers is really why we are where we are.

 

[JJBlade]

Adkins or foreign manager one or the other
Next manager after Adkins...........Foreign, and let him bring in a few continental players as well.
F@ck British players, they are technically and tactically shyte

 

[Jostein's Bandage]

Everybody who keeps failing, keeps sacking managers. We don't fail because we sack managers, we sack managers because they never achieve anything. Adkins has been the only vaguely sensible appointment since Warnock got the sack, the rest were all certainties to get the sack sooner or later before they walked through the door.

 

[Jostein's Bandage]

I doubt if a 'decent record' counts for anything - not just United but at any club. Take away the handful of managers whose careers have been largely successful (Allardyce, Mark Hughes, Bruce etc.) and it's probably down to a combination of luck and circumstances. Anybody looking at Carvalhal's record (Wendy are his 15th team since 1998) wouldn't touch him with a bargepole. 'We can't keep sacking managers.'? Didn't do Watford any harm last season. Most managers - particularly British - are crap and just keep in work due to the law of averages.



Worked with Mickey Adams...

Hardly the same thing is it. Before Micky Adams came here, i never even knew he was supposedly a Blade. Chris Wilder spent half his career playing for the club.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Yesterday's balcony antics at Cheltenham prove that Wilder has lost the dressing room so not for us

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Bonky madness.

Roberto?

 

[TJB.]

Roberto?

Not me, unfortunately...but I have nicked his catchphrase!

If you're reading, Roberto, sign up and grace us with your presence.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I must confess that I haven't really followed Wilder's management career (apologies if it's been previously discussed on here) however a quick check of Google shows that he has a decent enough record.
Given that we employed someone who I was convinced was the best man available (Adkins) and have been proven horribly wrong.... Is Wilder a viable option or a hopeful punt??

I really can't take much more of the current man.

If you’re only prepared to allow one season without a chance to re-build the side and in which your best player is sold then I think any manager is a hopeful punt.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Do you really think footballers getting paid up to half a million pounds a year , go out on a football pitch with 18000 people watching and think Im not going to bother today as I preferred Nigel Clough ?
or is it more likely that they are
badly prepared ,poorly trained ,unclear on tactics ,messed about during the game and have no confidence.

I would say the second one of these and that is down to the manager. They could be managed ,but obviously not by the present car crash.

I think I read that we are 3 points worse off than we were at this stage last season under Clough.


It’s hardly a huge difference in how they’ve performed under the two managers. They’ve been disappointing under both.


I suspect the reasons they were slightly better under Clough is that


a) Clough brought players in to fit the way he wanted to play/.

b) We had what is proving to be a top end championship winger.


We got a bit worse in Clough’s 2nd season after selling Maguire despite bringing loads of players in. Adkins has lost Murphy and brought less players in. Do you think Clough would have taken us further forward or backwards this season given the loss of Murphy? Personally, I think there’s be little difference in how we’ve performed largely because most of the squad aren’t good enough and those that are get sold on.


I entirely disagree that they “could be managed but not by the present car crash” given that they’ve shown themselves to be distinctly mediocre under a couple of managers now.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

But they would play on game day ,that's the selfish bastards they were. They would be injured all week but fine on match day and tried to undermine the squad. Adams was like Adkins in that he wasn't strong enough ,either with players or tactics ,but they did try on matchday. I could name the players and will do later ,just see if nopigfansintown can ,as he worked at the club at the time I think.

It’s easy to say managers are not strong enough but in the modern game, it is very difficult for managers to exert their authority. Adams probably thought he was being strong by bombing out those who didn’t respond to him (Ward, Britton, Bartley, Yeates etc.) but he couldn’t turn it round. Perhaps in time, if he’d had his own dressing room full of players, he might have. Clough took a similar approach and bombed out Brandy, Taylor, King etc. The remaining players responded positively he had a great end to the season. Then he overhauled the squad with very limited success. Adkins has a more conciliatory approach trying to give the players a positive environment to thrive. Those players that responded in the first instance to Clough’s disciplinarian approach don’t seem to have responded that well to Adkins’ approach. But as I pointed out in another thread, there isn’t a huge difference now and lack of quality is perhaps a bigger issue than attitude (now McNulty, Freeman, Higdon, Collins, Alcock, Wallace etc. have been moved on).

 

[1danewhitehouse]

We shouldn't just stick with Adkins because of the number of managers sacked in recent years. If he isn't up to the job (and on this season's efforts think he's well short of what we need as manager) then we want to get rid. We stuck with Haslam for 3 years and he took us from mid 2nd tier to the gates of the 4th division.

Adkins inherited a decent squad of players that only needed a decent spine (big centre half, decent target man and bite in midfield, all three leaders of men) adding to it. Instead of that he added Edgar, Hammond and Sammon, all three not effective enough for what we needed. Personally I'd sack the f***er.

Eggar is a big centre half, Hammond does add bite. I take your point re Sammon. But I think it shows we needed more than that. Especially with the sale of Murphy.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and to expect different results. So we keep sacking managers and guess what, we keep going backwards. Time to do something radical and stick with one for a second season. If he fails next season then it is fair to say it hasn't worked.

I'm convinced had Clough stayed we would have been better off but Hair Trigger Phipps and the team just love someone else to blame for their own fuck ups.

Generally speaking I agree stability will make us better off. But I’m not sure Clough would have done much better than Adkins if he was to have his best player sold again. As much as the cycle of sacking managers is harming us, the cycle of selling our best player year on year is even more harmful. If we break these two cycles, we have a genuine chance of moving forward as a club. Until then, it’s just a case of hoping someone sparks a Clough 2014 type run at a time that allows us to sneak promotion. Another cycle we had was appointing managers who don’t even seem like good appointments at the time. We’ve broken that cycle now. Let’s not revert back before breaking the other cycles.


That basically would require averagely performing players to have a meteoric rise in performance from January to May one season (as they would be sold at the next opportunity). It’s happened for a couple of players here and there (Murphy and Flynn in 2014) but we’d probably need 6 or 7 to all do it at the same time to take us up and to not be starting from as low a position as we did that season.