Ched Evans Signs [Confirmed]

[Robbie]

Surely to benefits of not risking him outweigh the benefits of giving him 90 minutes against Lincoln?

They are working all week behind closed doors which will help fitness/them to gel.

With the only other current options for Boro being Sharp and Robertson, one of which we want out of the club, would it really be sensible to risk him on a rainy night against Lincoln? It can happen at any time granted, but with us able to give him time on the pitch in more controlled circumstances this week is it not just a sensible decision?

Have to agree to disagree fella, I see more benefit in giving him game time.

 

[Jimbo]

Have to agree with Foxy (and Mr Blackwell) on this one.
If Evans isn't fully fit he's more likely to pick up an injury and be missing for the next few weeks so it's much better to let him build his fitness up in a more controlled environment.

Of course match fitness and gelling with the team are important, but in cases like this the risk is not worth the gain.

 

[keenzy]

Have to agree with Foxy (and Mr Blackwell) on this one.
If Evans isn't fully fit he's more likely to pick up an injury and be missing for the next few weeks so it's much better to let him build his fitness up in a more controlled environment.

Of course match fitness and gelling with the team are important, but in cases like this the risk is not worth the gain.

if he's not match fit he's more likely to pull something.....

 

[Foxy]

He can get match fit without playing Lincoln

Assuming they play him in the stuff we are doing behind closed doors.

 

[Jimbo]

if he's not match fit he's more likely to pull something.....

And if he does play while not fully fit he's even more likely to pull something!
Better to get his conditioning and strength work up to speed, then he can work on his match fitness later.

I'd rather him play 75 minutes against Boro and go off for a rest than do his hamstring pre-season and miss 4-6 weeks.

 

[keenzy]

And if he does play while not fully fit he's even more likely to pull something!
Better to get his conditioning and strength work up to speed, then he can work on his match fitness later.

I'd rather him play 75 minutes against Boro and go off for a rest than do his hamstring pre-season and miss 4-6 weeks.

playing a full match or even a little against lincoln as a sub will get him match fit. Being thrown in against boro and behind closed doors friendly is more like to injury him than easing him in with 15 mins against lincoln.

We need him to work on his match fitness now rather than later as you suggest, what's the point in having the best striker at the club (supposidly) that cant get in the position and read the game.

 

[SotonBlade]

Sorry Keenz, how is the match against lincoln and the a behind close doors friendly any different, apart from the fact there are no supporters there?

 

[Jimbo]

playing a full match or even a little against lincoln as a sub will get him match fit. Being thrown in against boro and behind closed doors friendly is more like to injury him than easing him in with 15 mins against lincoln.

We need him to work on his match fitness now rather than later as you suggest, what's the point in having the best striker at the club (supposidly) that cant get in the position and read the game.

If he's not fully fit yet, or he's a few weeks behind the rest of the players (as has been reported) then throwing him into a game with 21 other players who are fully fit and a couple of weeks ahead of him will only cause him trouble. Playing one game when you're way off the pace isn't going to do anything for his positioning. You've got to bring your overall fitness up to speed before working on match fitness. You can't just say "We need him to work on his match fitness now" if he's not ready to do so.

What's the point of having the best striker at the club injure himself pre-season by trying to play in the club's final pre-season game (by which point you'd hope most if not all of the players will be 100% ready) when he's still working on building his overall fitness up to something like?

Ideally we'd have had him at the club 3-4 weeks ago so he could have been up to the same level of fitness as the rest of players. Unfortunately that wasn't the case, so he's now having to catch up his fitness levels. He's probably at the same stage most of the players were at the very beginning of preseason, so playing him in a game now would only be detrimental. Of course it's not ideal to be in this positon, and I'm sure KB would love to be able to play him, but circumstances have dictated otherwise.

Plus, to be fair... whose opinion are you going to trust on what's best for the player; a group of professional Football coaches who have been working with the player directly for the last week or so, or a bunch of amateurs (myself included) who have never met the lad?!

 

[SotonBlade]

Plus, to be fair... whose opinion are you going to trust on what's best for the player; a group of professional Football coaches who have been working with the player directly for the last week or so, or a bunch of amateurs (myself included) who have never met the lad?!

That is a very fair point that no-one can really argue with TBQFH

 

[keenzy]

Sorry Keenz, how is the match against lincoln and the a behind close doors friendly any different, apart from the fact there are no supporters there?

No difference, so why couldn't he have played against lincoln?

If he's not fully fit yet, or he's a few weeks behind the rest of the players (as has been reported) then throwing him into a game with 21 other players who are fully fit and a couple of weeks ahead of him will only cause him trouble. Playing one game when you're way off the pace isn't going to do anything for his positioning. You've got to bring your overall fitness up to speed before working on match fitness. You can't just say "We need him to work on his match fitness now" if he's not ready to do so.

So for bringing him into the game for the last 110 15 mins is "throwing him in"
Look at paul mcgrath and del boy, neither "fully fit" but they were fit enough to play football.

What's the point of having the best striker at the club injure himself pre-season by trying to play in the club's final pre-season game (by which point you'd hope most if not all of the players will be 100% ready) when he's still working on building his overall fitness up to something like?

Ideally we'd have had him at the club 3-4 weeks ago so he could have been up to the same level of fitness as the rest of players. Unfortunately that wasn't the case, so he's now having to catch up his fitness levels. He's probably at the same stage most of the players were at the very beginning of preseason, so playing him in a game now would only be detrimental. Of course it's not ideal to be in this positon, and I'm sure KB would love to be able to play him, but circumstances have dictated otherwise.

Time is against us, that's why it would be better easing him in for 10 - 15 mins against lincoln than to rush him in for 1 last game before the season and hope he does it, leaving more of a chance to get injured.

Plus, to be fair... whose opinion are you going to trust on what's best for the player; a group of professional Football coaches who have been working with the player directly for the last week or so, or a bunch of amateurs (myself included) who have never met the lad?!

fair point, but that would mean your a boring sod not having anthing to discuss. And a sheep.

 

[Jimbo]

What difference would putting him in for 10-15 minutes make? He's not going to achieve any 'match fitness' in that time, nor would he get any sense of positioning or reading Utd's style of play, nor would he learn anything about his team mates cos many changes would have been made by then and as we know, once a load of subs get made any teams tends to lose all sense of discipline or structure.

I maintain that if he's not fully fit he would only have been more likely to do himself more harm than good playing any part in that fixture, but you're entitled to your own opinion.

Why does agreeing with the manager make me a boring sod and a sheep??? Does this mean the only way to be interesting is to disagree with the manager and coaching staff on any subject? Could it be that, wait for it...... the manager might actually be right about something?!

Fact is, if Evans had played the other night and done himself an injury cos he wasn't fit, then the forum would be full of people critisizing KB for risking a semi-fit player in a pre-season friendly!

 

[Bladesman]

For 3mil he should be match fit and ready to go and at his age.

 

[keenzy]

What difference would putting him in for 10-15 minutes make? He's not going to achieve any 'match fitness' in that time, nor would he get any sense of positioning or reading Utd's style of play, nor would he learn anything about his team mates cos many changes would have been made by then and as we know, once a load of subs get made any teams tends to lose all sense of discipline or structure.

When your unfit 10-15 mins can make a hell of a difference, i know because i have been in that position before.

I maintain that if he's not fully fit he would only have been more likely to do himself more harm than good playing any part in that fixture, but you're entitled to your own opinion.

And as you are entitled to your opinion, i maintain that it would be better easing him into matches and not rushing him in for the season.

Why does agreeing with the manager make me a boring sod and a sheep??? Does this mean the only way to be interesting is to disagree with the manager and coaching staff on any subject? Could it be that, wait for it...... the manager might actually be right about something?!

I din't actually call you a boring sod, i just pointed out that debating is good as if we all agreed on things that was fed to us with objection, we'd be sheep and boring. i may agree with blackwell and you may disagree.

Fact is, if Evans had played the other night and done himself an injury cos he wasn't fit, then the forum would be full of people critisizing KB for risking a semi-fit player in a pre-season friendly!

On the flip side, If evans ha dplayed the other night and scored he'd have been praised.

 

[SheepdipBlade]

Why does agreeing with the manager make me a boring sod and a sheep???

And what's wrong with sheep eh??

 

[silverfox]

Why does agreeing with the manager make me a boring sod and a sheep???

And what's wrong with sheep eh??

Nothing wrong with sheep........

......as long as you have mint sauce!

 

[keenzy]

baaaaaaaaaa

not my sheep.....

 

[Robbie]

He can get match fit without playing Lincoln

Match fitness comes with playing matches.... fitness training isn't the same thing.

Assuming they play him in the stuff we are doing behind closed doors.

But if he plays in the matches behind closed doors, he might get injured - so Blackwell shouldn't play him in this.

On the flip side, If evans ha dplayed the other night and scored he'd have been praised.

And United fans would be more optimistic

 

[Foxy]

Match fitness comes with playing matches.... fitness training isn't the same thing.

I know that, who mentioned fitness training?

But if he plays in the matches behind closed doors, he might get injured - so Blackwell shouldn't play him in this.

It's a more controlled environment, of course he can still get injured, but we have more control over what happens than a rainy 90 minutes against Lincoln. He's also had more time to work on conditioning beforehand.

And United fans would be more optimistic

Give over! you don't for one second think someone wouldn't trot out "it's only Lincoln" or "maybe that's his level"?

 

[Linz]

And United fans would be more optimistic

I didn't realise the manager also had to manage the general feeling of the fans too. I thought he was just responsible for making the best decisions for his squad?*

He either isn't fit or they're saving him.

Either way, he hasn't played. Whatever the reasons are, it doesn't change that fact so it is a bit of a pointless argument that no one can win

* In which case, we'll come and watch The Sheaf and chant Robbie out because you didn't manage our optimism correctly

 

[Robbie]

Give over! you don't for one second think someone wouldn't trot out "it's only Lincoln" or "maybe that's his level"?

I accept that... but the signs looks good if he starts scoring.... bit confidence and that.

I didn't realise the manager also had to manage the general feeling of the fans too. I thought he was just responsible for making the best decisions for his squad?*

I didn't state the manager had to manage the general feelings of the fans.... I am saying it would give the fans 'some' optimism if he did score.

He either isn't fit or they're saving him.

If thats the case then thats ok... I still don't see the problem in a small cameo appearance

* In which case, we'll come and watch The Sheaf and chant Robbie out because you didn't manage our optimism correctly

My team will win the league, that's the difference

 

[mattbianco1]

For 3mil he should be match fit and ready to go and at his age.

NO! The fact is he hasn't played any games for ages! Only ever plays in the Uefa Cup or for Wales so you can't be match fit/sharp playing in the reserves!

 

[Bladesman]

NO! The fact is he hasn't played any games for ages! Only ever plays in the Uefa Cup or for Wales so you can't be match fit/sharp playing in the reserves!

I don't care.

For £3mil and he should be starting against Boro.

 

[Sensiblade]

I don't care.

For £3mil and he should be starting against Boro.

I'd assume he will be starting against Boro.

They will be making sure he is 100% match fit for then.

 

[HoodedClaw]

I don't care.

For £3mil and he should be starting against Boro.

Its exactly why they are getting his base level of fitness up and not playing him in the friendlies.

I think Blackwell wants him to be fit to start more than anyone, considering he's the only striker we've got to pick at the mo. (Thats on the basis that you dont include Billy Sharp as a striker, because he certainly not for us.)

 

[SotonBlade]

I'd assume he will be starting against Boro.

They will be making sure he is 100% match fit for then.

I can't see Hendo making it so if he doesn't start, then it'll be Billy on his own at the moment!

 

[keenzy]

Its exactly why they are getting his base level of fitness up and not playing him in the friendlies.

I think Blackwell wants him to be fit to start more than anyone, considering he's the only striker we've got to pick at the mo. (Thats on the basis that you dont include Billy Sharp as a striker, because he certainly not for us.)

as i have said earlier,
It's no good he's base fitness being best of the best, if he's not match fit, we might as well play sharp. or robertson.

Easing him in lincoln for 10 mins would have helped a great deal.

 

[Bladesman]

Stick a rocket up his arse.