Ched Evans: How many goals for ANOTHER chance here?

[Sheff de party]

It was a disgrace what happened to him. Should never have gone to prison. It's actually a scary thought, how out of touch with reality a good portion of the public are.
He might not get double figures for us, he will be back in January and will have to fight for a place.
Although I'm delighted for him.
Cleared his name
Back playing again
Back scoring for fun
And will be back at the club that's backed him, where most of the fans like him.
Rubbing it in the noses of the lynch mob
HAPPY DAYS

Very scary thought that we’re locking up men that have sex with women so drunk they can’t remember it...

 

[JJ Sefton]

Very scary thought that we’re locking up men that have sex with women so drunk they can’t remember it...

On two occasions I've woken up next to a bird with no real idea how I ended up there.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Very scary thought that we’re locking up men that have sex with women so drunk they can’t remember it...

Guess we will have to make it illegal to have sex without first using a breathalyser. Otherwise as in this case there can be alot of confusion, when there's no signs said person is too drunk.

 

[BladeInIreland]

On two occasions I've woken up next to a bird with no real idea how I ended up there.

ssshhh only women can be victims.

 

[Bedrock Blade]

On two occasions I've woken up next to a bird with no real idea how I ended up there.

So you've had sex twice then...

 

[JJ Sefton]

So you've had sex twice then...

Who says I had sex with them?

 

[bladesince64]

Was this on Christmas Day morning?

 

[Rodders]

Guess we will have to make it illegal to have sex without first using a breathalyser. Otherwise as in this case there can be alot of confusion, when there's no signs said person is too drunk.

You’ve not understood a thing about the case have you?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Me and my ex once had sex and neither of us could remember it.

Does that make us both rapists?

 

[BladeInIreland]

You’ve not understood a thing about the case have you?

The post I quoted was acting like her level of intoxication was obvious and huge. Clearly not the case. Hence my comment and other posters as 90% of people have had sex with someone drunk whilst being drunk themselves. There's nothing clear about where this line is and it's a scary thought how open to interpretation it is.
What have you understood?

 

[BladeInIreland]

Me and my ex once had sex and neither of us could remember it.

Does that make us both rapists?

No, just you.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Rather than slinging mud at each other, lets try and come up with something useful. I think it would be a good idea for Ched to release a charity single, with the proceeds going to Esther Rantzen. Surely after that even his most vicious haters couldn't begrudge his return?

 

[Tom Bott]

Aaah but,
This is 2018 Britain. Minority groups always kick up a fuss, impose their views which cannot be challenged.

Inclusivity, we even employ people to ensure that everyone feels included, even when they are wrong

 

[Rodders]

The post I quoted was acting like her level of intoxication was obvious and huge. Clearly not the case. Hence my comment and other posters as 90% of people have had sex with someone drunk whilst being drunk themselves. There's nothing clear about where this line is and it's a scary thought how open to interpretation it is.
What have you understood?

The case hinged on Ched’s belief she was able to consent to sex.
She willingly got into a taxi and went to a hotel with Clayton McDonald, giving him a reasonable belief that she was consenting to sex with him. That’s the reason he and thousands of blokes every week DON’T go to prison, because women willingly going off with them gives the bloke a reasonable belief they were consenting to sex, regardless of how drunk they were.
The jury thought that Ched didn’t have a reasonable belief she consented to sex with him as he turned up while she was lying spread-eagle and pissed out of her tree on a hotel bed, and he said no words to her throughout the whole exchange, hence they found him guilty.

FWIW, in my opinion the “new” evidence was flimsy as fuck; I don’t think her shouting some stock sex phrases changes much in my eyes personally. He still fucked a very drunk girl, said no words to her and left out the back door. Not a savoury bloke.

 

[Rodders]

Rather than slinging mud at each other, lets try and come up with something useful. I think it would be a good idea for Ched to release a charity single, with the proceeds going to Esther Rantzen. Surely after that even his most vicious haters couldn't begrudge his return?

Maybe this is apt, given it what Ched should have stayed at home and done that night:

 

[BladeInIreland]

The case hinged on Ched’s belief she was able to consent to sex.
She willingly got into a taxi and went to a hotel with Clayton McDonald, giving him a reasonable belief that she was consenting to sex with him. That’s the reason he and thousands of blokes every week DON’T go to prison, because women willingly going off with them gives the bloke a reasonable belief they were consenting to sex, regardless of how drunk they were.
The jury thought that Ched didn’t have a reasonable belief she consented to sex with him as he turned up while she was lying spread-eagle and pissed out of her tree on a hotel bed, and he said no words to her throughout the whole exchange, hence they found him guilty.

FWIW, in my opinion the “new” evidence was flimsy as fuck; I don’t think her shouting some stock sex phrases changes much in my eyes personally. He still fucked a very drunk girl, said no words to her and left out the back door. Not a savoury bloke.

So you can assume any girl who gets in a cab with you wants to have sex? Pissed out of her tree? Again there wasn't much to suggest this. It's an area that's not clear at all and I see now why the new evidence cleared him.

 

[Rodders]

So you can assume any girl who gets in a cab with you wants to have sex? Pissed out of her tree? Again there wasn't much to suggest this. It's an area that's not clear at all and I see now why the new evidence cleared him.

??

No, you can’t just assume it, but if sex does happen then the fact she went off willingly with you means you are considered to have a reasonable belief.

 

[Dkc]

Are we seriously discussing this yet again in a thread about Ched's loan to Fleetwood and potential recall?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Rather than slinging mud at each other, lets try and come up with something useful. I think it would be a good idea for Ched to release a charity single, with the proceeds going to Esther Rantzen. Surely after that even his most vicious haters couldn't begrudge his return?

Is Esther Rantzen still alive?

 

[BladeInIreland]

??

No, you can’t just assume it, but if sex does happen then the fact she went off willingly with you means you are considered to have a reasonable belief.

So she could be blind drunk, more so than this girl was, but if she goes with you that's ok?

But if a girl doesn't appear blind drunk, and asks you to do things, that's not ok? Because you didn't share a kebab and a taxi.

 

[Rodders]

So she could be blind drunk, more so than this girl was, but if she goes with you that's ok?

But if a girl doesn't appear blind drunk, and asks you to do things, that's not ok? Because you didn't share a kebab and a taxi.

Ok I’ll stop there - you’re either WUMming or terminally thick.

 

[Tom Bott]

Evans father in law believes two peoples lives, Evans and the girl, were ruined by North Wales police desire to get a conviction against a Welsh international footballer

I'm surprised that some conspiracy theorists have not concluded that the Ched Evans case was brought by the police to deflect attention from all the grooming gangs.

Since 2011, groups of men have been prosecuted for organised sexgrooming crimes against thousands of girls in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle.

So let's focus on the football.

 

[Rodders]

I'm surprised that some conspiracy theorists have not concluded that the Ched Evans case was brought by the police to deflect attention from all the grooming gangs.

Since 2011, groups of men have been prosecuted for organised sexgrooming crimes against thousands of girls in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham, Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough, Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle.

So let's focus on the football.

Because it’s a fucking ridiculous notion.

 

[Revolution]

Let's talk about Ched in the Championship.

Signed for 3 million quid (though the club has claimed it's less than that when he's been criticised) Evans first played for us in 2009-10. Not a great season - the football was poor, and some of the players poorer, and we were higher mid table.

Ched did not do well: he scored 3 goals in his first 11 games, in a win at Watford, a draw at WBA, and a 3-1 defeat at Scunthorpe, but after that last goal, on 17 October, he went a mind boggling 20 league games (plus 3 FA Cup games and 2 Wales games) before he scored again in our unexpected 3-0 win at Ipswich on the last day of the season, 2 May 2010 (our first win there since 1973, I believe). Not good enough.

The following year Ched started well with a good goal from the only good pass Leon Britton ever played in the opening game at Cardiff, and scored important goals before Christmas in wins against Pompey (1-0), Swansea (1-0) and Palace (3-2) but he never convinced, and that was a very poor side, the legacy of a poorly thought out transfer policy (to say the least), and you combine that with an out of his debt Mickey Adams (goodbye Bartley and Reid: hello Doyle and Collins) and we collapsed. All of Ched's last 5 goals that season, making him top scorer with 9, were scored in defeats, the last in that dreadful 3-2 defeat at Scunthorpe when we were 2-0 up after 15 minutes on 22 February 2011.

Scoring at Scunthorpe is not a good omen for Ched: he played 7 more games that season without scoring, had his hiatus in league one and jail, and played 9 more league games for us last season (plus 4 cup games) without scoring in a second successive season dogged by injury.

So he's 4 games away from completing his second 20 game non scoring streak in the Championship for us.

I remain sceptical that he will ever be a regular scorer at Championship level.

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

Let's talk about Ched in the Championship.

Signed for 3 million quid (though the club has claimed it's less than that when he's been criticised) Evans first played for us in 2009-10. Not a great season - the football was poor, and some of the players poorer, and we were higher mid table.

Ched did not do well: he scored 3 goals in his first 11 games, in a win at Watford, a draw at WBA, and a 3-1 defeat at Scunthorpe, but after that last goal, on 17 October, he went a mind boggling 20 league games (plus 3 FA Cup games and 2 Wales games) before he scored again in our unexpected 3-0 win at Ipswich on the last day of the season, 2 May 2010 (our first win there since 1973, I believe). Not good enough.

The following year Ched started well with a good goal from the only good pass Leon Britton ever played in the opening game at Cardiff, and scored important goals before Christmas in wins against Pompey (1-0), Swansea (1-0) and Palace (3-2) but he never convinced, and that was a very poor side, the legacy of a poorly thought out transfer policy (to say the least), and you combine that with an out of his debt Mickey Adams (goodbye Bartley and Reid: hello Doyle and Collins) and we collapsed. All of Ched's last 5 goals that season, making him top scorer with 9, were scored in defeats, the last in that dreadful 3-2 defeat at Scunthorpe when we were 2-0 up after 15 minutes on 22 February 2011.

Scoring at Scunthorpe is not a good omen for Ched: he played 7 more games that season without scoring, had his hiatus in league one and jail, and played 9 more league games for us last season (plus 4 cup games) without scoring in a second successive season dogged by injury.

So he's 4 games away from completing his second 20 game non scoring streak in the Championship for us.

I remain sceptical that he will ever be a regular scorer at Championship level.

Given its title, end of thread.

 

[Sheff de party]

Guess we will have to make it illegal to have sex without first using a breathalyser. Otherwise as in this case there can be alot of confusion, when there's no signs said person is too drunk.

So many people get flippant when I say things like that. And the Crown had to prove she was too drunk to consent and they obtained a conviction, so let’s not be saying things like there’s no signs she was too drunk.

I don’t think men should have sex with someone new who’s really drunk. It’s really not that controversial a viewpoint.

 

[Sheff de party]

On two occasions I've woken up next to a bird with no real idea how I ended up there.

Margaret Thatcher doesn’t count...

 

[coolhandluke]

Let's talk about Ched in the Championship.

Signed for 3 million quid (though the club has claimed it's less than that when he's been criticised) Evans first played for us in 2009-10. Not a great season - the football was poor, and some of the players poorer, and we were higher mid table.

Ched did not do well: he scored 3 goals in his first 11 games, in a win at Watford, a draw at WBA, and a 3-1 defeat at Scunthorpe, but after that last goal, on 17 October, he went a mind boggling 20 league games (plus 3 FA Cup games and 2 Wales games) before he scored again in our unexpected 3-0 win at Ipswich on the last day of the season, 2 May 2010 (our first win there since 1973, I believe). Not good enough.

The following year Ched started well with a good goal from the only good pass Leon Britton ever played in the opening game at Cardiff, and scored important goals before Christmas in wins against Pompey (1-0), Swansea (1-0) and Palace (3-2) but he never convinced, and that was a very poor side, the legacy of a poorly thought out transfer policy (to say the least), and you combine that with an out of his debt Mickey Adams (goodbye Bartley and Reid: hello Doyle and Collins) and we collapsed. All of Ched's last 5 goals that season, making him top scorer with 9, were scored in defeats, the last in that dreadful 3-2 defeat at Scunthorpe when we were 2-0 up after 15 minutes on 22 February 2011.

Scoring at Scunthorpe is not a good omen for Ched: he played 7 more games that season without scoring, had his hiatus in league one and jail, and played 9 more league games for us last season (plus 4 cup games) without scoring in a second successive season dogged by injury.

So he's 4 games away from completing his second 20 game non scoring streak in the Championship for us.

I remain sceptical that he will ever be a regular scorer at Championship level.

Given its title, end of thread.

Fair points and it does look ever more likely that Ched will be surplus to requirements here at the Lane . But with goalscorers as hard to come across as rocking horse shit right now we'd be foolish NOT to give him one last chance .

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Let's talk about Ched in the Championship.

Signed for 3 million quid (though the club has claimed it's less than that when he's been criticised) Evans first played for us in 2009-10. Not a great season - the football was poor, and some of the players poorer, and we were higher mid table.

Ched did not do well: he scored 3 goals in his first 11 games, in a win at Watford, a draw at WBA, and a 3-1 defeat at Scunthorpe, but after that last goal, on 17 October, he went a mind boggling 20 league games (plus 3 FA Cup games and 2 Wales games) before he scored again in our unexpected 3-0 win at Ipswich on the last day of the season, 2 May 2010 (our first win there since 1973, I believe). Not good enough.

The following year Ched started well with a good goal from the only good pass Leon Britton ever played in the opening game at Cardiff, and scored important goals before Christmas in wins against Pompey (1-0), Swansea (1-0) and Palace (3-2) but he never convinced, and that was a very poor side, the legacy of a poorly thought out transfer policy (to say the least), and you combine that with an out of his debt Mickey Adams (goodbye Bartley and Reid: hello Doyle and Collins) and we collapsed. All of Ched's last 5 goals that season, making him top scorer with 9, were scored in defeats, the last in that dreadful 3-2 defeat at Scunthorpe when we were 2-0 up after 15 minutes on 22 February 2011.

Scoring at Scunthorpe is not a good omen for Ched: he played 7 more games that season without scoring, had his hiatus in league one and jail, and played 9 more league games for us last season (plus 4 cup games) without scoring in a second successive season dogged by injury.

So he's 4 games away from completing his second 20 game non scoring streak in the Championship for us.

I remain sceptical that he will ever be a regular scorer at Championship level.

Which raises the question, with form like that, why does he have such huge support from Blades saying he needs another chance? In those first two seasons I was arguing for him against people who wanted rid. In a poor team, he didn't look that bad, but now I doubt he'll ever be the striker we need. If it was anyone else with that record, no one would want him to stay.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Fair points and it does look ever more likely that Ched will be surplus to requirements here at the Lane . But with goalscorers as hard to come across as rocking horse shit right now we'd be foolish NOT to give him one last chance .

Surely with his past record we actually would be foolish. We don't need a striker on the pitch who doesn't score. Is there really no one coming through the ranks who would be worth a try out on the bench? Does the academy not have any young strikers?