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Not an ideal situation, but no doubt it couldn't be avoided. At least we should have two strong defensive midfielders to give some protection to the back four. Maybe another nil-nil on the cards?

(Or perhaps we'll stuff them 6-0. It's a funny old game!)
 
I thought as much, so my punt at the team tonight...

Simmonson

Parino Ertl Lowry Mattock

Williamson Monty Doyle Yeates

Bent Evans
 
Lowton played there pre-season but too much of a risk to put Lowton and Lowry together, particularly up against the Yak.
 
Not an ideal situation, but no doubt it couldn't be avoided.

I assume not, given that it's happened 2 years running!
 
We must have known Bartley was going before yesterday, so why was Collins not signed earlier. Doesn't matter who the manager or chief exec is, we still make the same mistakes
 
Revolution said:
Not an ideal situation, but no doubt it couldn't be avoided.

I assume not, given that it's happened 2 years running!
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The error was McCabe saying it wouldn't happen again and then allowing Blackwell building his defence around 2 loan CBs. One thing's for sure, it won't happen again as MA said yesterday and Collins arrival, Kyle's departure shows.

My God do we need to get to May as quickly and hopefully, safely, as possible.

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sheffielder said:
We must have known Bartley was going before yesterday, so why was Collins not signed earlier. Doesn't matter who the manager or chief exec is, we still make the same mistakes
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According to reports, Arsenal only contacted us about the possibility of the loan being cancelled after Collins had signed.
 
Kopped said:
According to Sky both are set to make their debuts tonight :)

http://www.skysports.com/football/match_preview/0,19764,11065_3284274,00.html

I'll go with

Simonsen

Parrino, Collins, Lowry, Mattock

Ward, Doyle, Williamson, Yeates

Evans, Bent

Subs:
Long, Quinn, Montgomery, Ertl, Lowton, Kozluk, Bogdanovic

Not a bad line up that.
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Lazy reporting from Sky. The Club's own new release says Collins was signed too late to be included tonight. That's what this thread is all about.
 
Kopped said:
I'll go with

Simonsen

Parrino, Collins, Lowry, Mattock

Ward, Doyle, Williamson, Yeates

Evans, Bent

Subs:
Long, Quinn, Montgomery, Ertl, Lowton, Kozluk, Bogdanovic

Not a bad line up that.
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It'd be better if you replaced Ward with Lowton. Given Collins registered too late to play, Ertl in for him and you've got what I'd expect to be the line up, with Harriott on the bench.
 
Got to agree that this is a major cock up from the club like last year.

I'll go with:

Simmo

Kozluk - Parrino - Lowry - Mattock

Monty
Cresswell - Williamson - Quinn

Evans - Bent​
 
broomhillblade said:
Lazy reporting from Sky. The Club's own new release says Collins was signed too late to be included tonight. That's what this thread is all about.
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Don't quite understand this. If he has signed before the deadline the papers must have been processed by the FA so what is the reason he cannot be included. The OS does say it is anything to do with his registration. It will be interesting to see if anyone signed yesterday make their debuts this evening.
 
SwissBlade said:
Got to agree that this is a major cock up from the club like last year.

I'll go with:

Simmo

Kozluk - Parrino - Lowry - Mattock

Monty

Cresswell - Williamson - Quinn

Evans - Bent​
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Really? Seriously? You're quite literally playing all your jokers at once!

I despair.

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Jim Chimmerney said:
Lowton played there pre-season but too much of a risk to put Lowton and Lowry together, particularly up against the Yak.
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Jim, Jim. Stop it. Lowton is 5-10, of slight to medium build [in football terms], inexperienced and not particularly strong in the air. He is not, and never will be, a centre-back.
 
Pinchy said:
Jim, Jim. Stop it. Lowton is 5-10, of slight to medium build [in football terms], inexperienced and not particularly strong in the air. He is not, and never will be, a centre-back.
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I just said he played there pre-season that's all :)

Mind you, I got stick 6 or 7 years ago for suggesting Jags was an England centre-back in the making :)
 
Pinchy said:
Really? Seriously? You're quite literally playing all your jokers at once!

I despair.

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Jim, Jim. Stop it. Lowton is 5-10, of slight to medium build [in football terms], inexperienced and not particularly strong in the air. He is not, and never will be, a centre-back.
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Pinchy, whilst I understand that you have reservations about certain players, I'm only going on what I have seen of these lads this season.

So einstein, the alternative is what?

For info, here are my thoughts

Kozzy - Didn't let us down v Donny, even without his dramatic late goal
Monty - Solid as ever v Norwich, gave some extra (necessary) cover of the centre halves. we'll need this tonight
Quinn - Played his best game for a long time v Norwich, let himself down, by rising to the bait
Cresswell - Not in form, If we had an alternative I wouldn't go with him, but the other options were Ward (off the pace), Yeates (scared), Cresswell is the only one out of those three who can do the grunt work, can cross a ball, offers height and will chip in up front if needed.

Surprised that you haven't highlighted Evans as well, but then again, it seems a few of those who wrote him off completely, have gone back into their holes on Ched.

Perhaps you could offer your words of wisdom...
 

>Monty - Solid as ever v Norwich
translates to Monty .. crap as ever against Norwich!.. why do some of you rate this guy? do you feel sorry for him or something?
 
SwissBlade said:
Pinchy, whilst I understand that you have reservations about certain players, I'm only going on what I have seen of these lads this season.

So einstein, the alternative is what?

For info, here are my thoughts

Kozzy - Didn't let us down v Donny, even without his dramatic late goal
Monty - Solid as ever v Norwich, gave some extra (necessary) cover of the centre halves. we'll need this tonight
Quinn - Played his best game for a long time v Norwich, let himself down, by rising to the bait
Cresswell - Not in form, If we had an alternative I wouldn't go with him, but the other options were Ward (off the pace), Yeates (scared), Cresswell is the only one out of those three who can do the grunt work, can cross a ball, offers height and will chip in up front if needed.

Surprised that you haven't highlighted Evans as well, but then again, it seems a few of those who wrote him off completely, have gone back into their holes on Ched.

Perhaps you could offer your words of wisdom...
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Swiss,

Cresswell is over the hill. The others - I've made myself pretty clear many times. I'll just summarise - they are absolute garbage - they would not make a footballer between them. Don't just take my word for it - look at our league position. Look at their goal/assists statistics (try not to laugh). Do you really think we are struggling despite their 'performances' rather than because of them. The team you suggest would struggle in League One. I bet Adams can't wait to dismantle it.

As for my wisdom, the best XI currently available to us is that named by Kopped above. Collins is not available though so it's Ertl at centre-back.

As for Ched, I see something in him. He's doing well just now. You must be thinking of AlcoBlade?
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
I just said he played there pre-season that's all :)

Mind you, I got stick 6 or 7 years ago for suggesting Jags was an England centre-back in the making :)
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Of course you do, it was the last time you got owt right...:hello:
 
super_pig said:
>Monty - Solid as ever v Norwich
translates to Monty .. crap as ever against Norwich!.. why do some of you rate this guy? do you feel sorry for him or something?
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super_pig said:
why do some of you support this guy? do you feel sorry for him or something?

:)
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I think he does a good job, limited in some ways (but then name a player that isn't). When played in the right way, he provides excellent cover for the back 4 by breaking up play. Distribution is poor, but when instructed to simply win the ball and give it to the nearest red and white shirt he is excellent. As his ability to man mark. (Although I am sure you can highlight the odd occasion from this season where he has let his man get away, just to prove a point).

Whilst Britton was at the lane, Monty's role changed. We attempted to play pretty football from deep, great idea in principle, but we had no creativity in front of Britton, so Monty had to fill a role which for his entire career at United he has never played. He was still breaking up play, but higher up the field, because of course Britton could not be asked to do this and pass the pretty football about.

Of course it also meant that Monty's man marking skills were redundant on the oppositions holding midfielder, so often Monty was found dropping back to man mark attacking midfielders which Britton couldn't be asked to mark or break up play as he was playing pretty patterns with the football.

Until we have two/ three centre midfielders who can, between them:
share the role of passing;
break up play;
provide additional centre half cover;
mark the danger men;
be the attacking/ creative midfielder;

then i'm afraid Monty will have to do for 3 out of the 5. Perhaps the other 2 can be filled with a loanee/ quinny/ Willo (if he can stay fit)

Hope that helps.
 
For 'breaking up play' read 'giving away free-kicks and penalties (he's given away far more in his career than he's had shots on target)!!'

For 'man-marking' read 'tirelessly but hopelessly chasing superior players all over the pitch, always 5 yards away from the ball, which remains safely with the superior player'.

For 'passing the ball' just laugh uncontrollably.

For 'creative input' read absolutely nothing. The page is blank.

Luckily I hear Leeds [God Bless Them] may be coming over the hill like the cavalry to save us.
 
Pinchy said:
Swiss,

Cresswell is over the hill. The others - I've made myself pretty clear many times. I'll just summarise - they are absolute garbage - they would not make a footballer between them. Don't just take my word for it - look at our league position. Look at their goal/assists statistics (try not to laugh). Do you really think we are struggling despite their 'performances' rather than because of them. The team you suggest would struggle in League One. I bet Adams can't wait to dismantle it.

As for my wisdom, the best XI currently available to us is that named by Kopped above. Collins is not available though so it's Ertl at centre-back.

As for Ched, I see something in him. He's doing well just now. You must be thinking of AlcoBlade?
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Pinchy,

Cresswell - Did you not read what I wrote about him and the alternatives

As for the team you suggest, well you don't do you, Kopped suggested it for you ;)

Ertl - Whilst he can do a better job at Centre half than he does in midfield, we have better options for the back four...
 
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