Central midfield for Watford game???

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:eek: Inevitably Montgomery will be first choice for centre mid this saturday but which muppet plays alongside him??
Of course it will be one of Quinn or Howard so who would you go for??
Even with the signing of Lee Williamson it's ridiculous how short of cover we are in the central midfield!!
 

GAZBLADE said:
Even with the signing of Lee Williamson it's ridiculous how short of cover we are in the central midfield!!
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Williamson's crocked... so his signing doesn't really affect the amount of cover we had or have :)

I'd say move Little inside. He's too slow to play 90 minutes on the wing but with Monty along side him, at least he'd have someone with the legs to track back.
 
I'd move Ryan France in the middle with Monty and play with Cotts and Treacy wide.
I'd also play Sharp up front with Hendo as evans still not fully fit and Ward possibly not match fit due to missing the first two games
 
agree with Linz, but can't see Blackie doing it. For Watford i'd go with Howard. But replace him with Hendrie once his ban is up
 
Yeh i'd be tempted in giving Hendrie a run when available. But as Linz says, Little could be a good option. I'm sure Blackie's got it covered in his own mind!!!
 
I agree. Looks good Sensi but can't see it, especially being at home. The front 3 look very good on paper.
 
on paper that formation is good, but i dont think it would work - cotteril isnt a central player and if ward and cotts were going to be used as the width in this formation it may aswell stay 442 and have little and monty in the middle - i think little could potentially do the creative role in the middle were missing - hendrie is too unreliable, and in all honesty - has had his chance. push cotts and reid to get to the byline and get the crosses in and hopefully cut down on the long ball - keep ward upfront - the only way he's going to score the goals, which is why we bought him in the first place, is by playing along side ched upfront, not in midfield.
 
I'd move Brian Stock 20 miles down the M18.
I would drop Elpiton off in the fast lane on the way.
 
DP8789 said:
on paper that formation is good, but i dont think it would work - cotteril isnt a central player and if ward and cotts were going to be used as the width in this formation it may aswell stay 442 and have little and monty in the middle - i think little could potentially do the creative role in the middle were missing - hendrie is too unreliable, and in all honesty - has had his chance. push cotts and reid to get to the byline and get the crosses in and hopefully cut down on the long ball - keep ward upfront - the only way he's going to score the goals, which is why we bought him in the first place, is by playing along side ched upfront, not in midfield.
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The formation is open to be flexible. Ward and Reid to switch positions throughout the game. Monty can come in and out of midfield and support Little as when needed, and drop back when under pressure, Little is then ready to recieve the ball and distribute it to either of the wide men or Reid in the middle. All can run with the ball and cause problems
 

I think its too easy to stick a load of attacking players down on a sheet of paper and say that will be great, however the ral world aint like that, that team would get over run with only monty able to defend, flexible is one thing but a team needs a pattern and players need roles to carry out, other wise man city would walk the premier this year, you must have balance. what you do when you don't have the ball is as important as when you do have it.
having said all that we have been too negative at home over last couple of years, blackie has got the balance too far the other way and we do need to be more adventorous
 
fatpat said:
I think its too easy to stick a load of attacking players down on a sheet of paper and say that will be great, however the ral world aint like that, that team would get over run with only monty able to defend, flexible is one thing but a team needs a pattern and players need roles to carry out, other wise man city would walk the premier this year, you must have balance. what you do when you don't have the ball is as important as when you do have it.
having said all that we have been too negative at home over last couple of years, blackie has got the balance too far the other way and we do need to be more adventorous
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See what you're saying. Problem is if Blackie was choose somehting similar to what i suggested, then if we were to lose he'd be villified for getting it wrong etc etc.

So in a way Blackie is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He would not get any credit for trying to be attacking, UNLESS we won
 
Blackwell does not know what attacking means ! Perhaps all the side took some cough medicine for the Preston game as that can only be described as United's best performance last year!
 
With all the pre - season talk of playing 4-2-3-1 who would you pick in that formation?
Bunn
Bromby Morgs Killa Taylor
Walker Monty
Cotts Ward Reid
Hendo

With Little as an option for Ward? Biggest question for me is who sits alongside Monty, but I generally like the set up.
 
My opinion (for what it's worth)..

.......................Bunn

Walker......Morgan......Killa.........Taylor

Cotterill......Monty......Howard......Reid

.................Hendo.....Evans

Subs; Ward, Treacey, Little, Bromby, Quinn

I know Howard was poor the other night, but I still hold out some desperate hope that he can become the creative midfielder we need him to be. With Monty there to do all the running he SHOULD be able to concentrate on supporting the front 2.
 
Jimbo said:
My opinion (for what it's worth)..

.......................Bunn

Walker......Morgan......Killa.........Taylor

Cotterill......Monty......Howard......Reid

.................Hendo.....Evans

Subs; Ward, Treacey, Little, Bromby, Quinn

I know Howard was poor the other night, but I still hold out some desperate hope that he can become the creative midfielder we need him to be. With Monty there to do all the running he SHOULD be able to concentrate on supporting the front 2.
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A few of you keep talking about this, I assume you actually just do mean running about - not anywhere useful or anywhere anyone with any sense of positioning would be?
 
SBSP said:
A few of you keep talking about this, I assume you actually just do mean running about - not anywhere useful or anywhere anyone with any sense of positioning would be?
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Not really. To be fair to Monty, there aren't many harder working midfielders in this division. We all know he's not great on the ball, but with him doing 'the dirty work' (ie. tracking back, helping out the defence, breaking play up in midfield- the jobs that an awful lot of people don't give him nearly enough credit for) it should give Howard more license to get forward and support the strikers and not spend all his time in the centre circle looking for the ball.
 
I never thought I'd see the day where Monty is our first choice midfielder.
That isn't a knock to him, i think since our season in the Premiership he has grown into a great (not quality yet) player, very hard working and detirmined, closes players down, generally breaks up the oppositions midfield play, and... wait for it.... he can pass the ball.

I'd like to see him and Little in the middle, or maybe start with Howard and then make the change later on.
 
I don't agree that Monty can pass the ball. It is one of the weakest parts of his game.

Monty played well last season within the confines of his skill set. As you say, he works hard, closes people down, and breaks up play.

Unfortunately, he has no offensive side to his game at all. He rarely, if ever, creates goals, and his last league goal was on New Years' Eve 2005, over 80 appearances ago. I would wager that no midfielder in the Championship has such a scoring drought to his name. His passing is very poor and he can't control the ball first time, as a rule.

This is why bringing him on with 5 mins to go on tuesday was laugable. Just about no other player in the squad is less likely to create or score a goal when you really need one.

Selecting Monty in a 4 man midfield is therefore compromising before we start. We are saying to the other central midifielders "chances are you'll have to do all the attacking related work" and we simply don't have anyone good enough to do the attacking for two. In other words, you can play a Trevor Hockey type player, but he's got to have a Tony Currie type player next to him.

The only alternative is 4-5-1, which is awful if your lone striker is garbage. The playoff final is an example of this of course.
 
I don't understand why we need a player like him in the team.

I know he breaks up some of their attacks but that is it, there is nothing else to his game.

Other teams have someone that sits in front of the defense as a barrier but the main part of their game is to distribute the ball.

Until he learns to control the ball and at least play a simple pass he should not be playing.

I dont want to have a go at our coaches but why is he not just spending 8 hours a day learning to pass?
 
Selecting Monty in a 4 man midfield is therefore compromising before we start. We are saying to the other central midifielders "chances are you'll have to do all the attacking related work" and we simply don't have anyone good enough to do the attacking for two. In other words, you can play a Trevor Hockey type player, but he's got to have a Tony Currie type player next to him.


I'd go for one attacking central midfielder and one defensive central midfielder every time over the Defensive with two so/so midfielders in front what we have now.

Monty in the middle with Hendrie is worth a go in my opinion
 

At last a realistic assessment of Monty from someone other than yours truly [well articulated by Revolution and SBSP].

Monty has many admirable qualities BUT they cannot make up for his complete lack of attacking qualities. You can't have a completely negative midfielder alongside an all-out attacker. It's too simplistic and doesn't reflect the way football is actually played in practice. Each has to do a bit of the other guy's job as well.

Central midfield is the heartbeat of a team but also its brains. You just can't carry a player, however whole-hearted and committed, with such a lamentable and comprehensive lack of creative ability i.e. none whatsoever.

If Williamson is as good as I hear then I look forward to seeing him alongside Brian Stock. We really do need to move on. If only I had any confidence in our daft manager to make the changes that are desperately overdue. Wembley cruelly exposed our weaknesses. I'm still waiting for an apology from Blackwell but I'll settle for him doing something about it. He can start by never picking Elpiton again.
 
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