Cash incentive to play youngsters in league matches

[Sothall_Blade]

http://mobile.sufc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/sheffield-united-efl-3350176.aspx

£750K split between 72 clubs. We could be looking at a windfall of over £10K per season!

Forget promotion, let's give the youngsters (and future England players) a run out

 

[SwissBlade]

Great idea, but I don't think playing English kids in the football league has been a major issue. It's the premier league where they end up being squad players earning far too much money to sit in reserve sides

Calvert Lewin got games for United, will he get competitive games for Everton?

 

[Barney]

We'd quickly drop down the leagues with the current crop.

 

[8lade]

I assume the numbers they are talking about are decent for clubs who have lower attendances. I imagine Crewe will scoop up the lion's share of the money and rightly so. No value in it for United, except as a nice windfall if we get a youngster ready.

 

[JohnDenver]

Won't teams just play their best side, then shove out a team of nippers as soon as there's little to play for?

 

[Clarkey87]

Waste of time and money.

The vast majority of players in L1 and L2 including the Championship for the most part (though that's heading the way of the Premiership) are British, with a large proportion of them being English.

The issue is, they get played, scouted by a Chelsea or Man City etc etc, have their heads turned by cash being flashed in their faces before they've even had proper game time to develop.
What normal 16-20 year old on £300 a week would turn down the opportunity to make that thousands per week and all that it entails?
Before you know it, a promising young English player is playing 8th fiddle to a Foreign player and there the competitive game time development stops.
The issue then arises whereby they think they're then too good to be loaned out to the likes of a "lowly league one club" because they wear a Man City tracksuit.

It isn't the EFL that needs to tackle the issue of young English player development. It is the EPL but that will never happen as too many people make too much money and they wouldn't want to jeopardise their nests by forcing quotas on EPL clubs as to how many English players they must play (actually start the match, not just be a part of the match day squad!)

 

[blades78]

Waste of time and money.

The vast majority of players in L1 and L2 including the Championship for the most part (though that's heading the way of the Premiership) are British, with a large proportion of them being English.

The issue is, they get played, scouted by a Chelsea or Man City etc etc, have their heads turned by cash being flashed in their faces before they've even had proper game time to develop.
What normal 16-20 year old on £300 a week would turn down the opportunity to make that thousands per week and all that it entails?
Before you know it, a promising young English player is playing 8th fiddle to a Foreign player and there the competitive game time development stops.
The issue then arises whereby they think they're then too good to be loaned out to the likes of a "lowly league one club" because they wear a Man City tracksuit.

It isn't the EFL that needs to tackle the issue of young English player development. It is the EPL but that will never happen as too many people make too much money and they wouldn't want to jeopardise their nests by forcing quotas on EPL clubs as to how many English players they must play (actually start the match, not just be a part of the match day squad!)

Completely agree. I was reading this morning about Chelsea having 38 players out on loan. How many will make more than 10 starts for Chelsea? Unfortunately, Chelsea's adopt this as their business model. Buy young talent for reasonably low fees, loan them out for a few seasons and if they aren't good enough for first team after the loans, sell on for a few million and make a nice profit.

 

[larkymasher]

A club like ours will only play young academy players if they are good enough. Simple as that.

And quite right to.... Is a manager going to play young players to bring in a little revenue? not a chance.

If they are good enough then nurture them and play them when they are ready.... It will be better for the club and better for the player in the long run.

 

[PokerBlade]

I think the spirit of the idea is good. I think the idea itself is absolutely horrible. No, the FA shouldn't be offering financial incentives to influence team selection. This seems like a really basic point in terms of integrity of the sport. If you play this guy the sporting body will pay you money, if you play that guy they won't, so teams can be financially motivated to pick worse players.

The amount of money seems trivial at our level, but it's still awful in principle.

 

[PokerBlade]

Oh, and while I'm in rant mode against the FA, the FA is also artificially limiting the amount of youngsters we can start in competitive games by forcing us to play a shit trophy nobody cares about and then mandating which players we can pick and choose in that.

 

[BushBlade]

I think the spirit of the idea is good. I think the idea itself is absolutely horrible. No, the FA shouldn't be offering financial incentives to influence team selection. This seems like a really basic point in terms of integrity of the sport. If you play this guy the sporting body will pay you money, if you play that guy they won't, so teams can be financially motivated to pick worse players.

The amount of money seems trivial at our level, but it's still awful in principle.

It's not the FA, it's the EFL. Which raises the question 'what the fuck?'
Why are the EFL suddenly getting involved in this? What are they trying to achieve or what are they scared of? PL2 instead of the championship? Given the success of the PL, are some clubs saying what's the point of the EFL? That they'd get more money for TV rights if there was a PL2, that they wouldn't have to share it with the L1 and 2 clubs? 40 clubs, two leagues, no relegation from PL2 and fuck the rest?

 

[PokerBlade]

It's not the FA, it's the EFL. Which raises the question 'what the fuck?'
Why are the EFL suddenly getting involved in this? What are they trying to achieve or what are they scared of? PL2 instead of the championship? Given the success of the PL, are some clubs saying what's the point of the EFL? That they'd get more money for TV rights if there was a PL2, that they wouldn't have to share it with the L1 and 2 clubs? 40 clubs, two leagues, no relegation from PL2 and fuck the rest?

My mistake, but whichever crooked body we're dealing with, this is still an awful idea.

 

[Blade56]

The problems in reviving the England team isn't chucking £2.25 MILLION at 72 clubs it's chucking £9 BILLION at 20 clubs FIFA


Edit, PLUS if anyone plays a youngster and they look promising a PL team will snap them up and bung 'em away u il they are worth a 100 times more than they paid.

Fss it's not rocket science where the problems are

 

[Grecian2000]

Waste of time and money.

The vast majority of players in L1 and L2 including the Championship for the most part (though that's heading the way of the Premiership) are British, with a large proportion of them being English.

The issue is, they get played, scouted by a Chelsea or Man City etc etc, have their heads turned by cash being flashed in their faces before they've even had proper game time to develop.
What normal 16-20 year old on £300 a week would turn down the opportunity to make that thousands per week and all that it entails?
Before you know it, a promising young English player is playing 8th fiddle to a Foreign player and there the competitive game time development stops.
The issue then arises whereby they think they're then too good to be loaned out to the likes of a "lowly league one club" because they wear a Man City tracksuit.

It isn't the EFL that needs to tackle the issue of young English player development. It is the EPL but that will never happen as too many people make too much money and they wouldn't want to jeopardise their nests by forcing quotas on EPL clubs as to how many English players they must play (actually start the match, not just be a part of the match day squad!)

Only the use of the appalling EFL and EPL away from a deserved "like". EFL my arse.

 

[Clarkey87]

Completely agree. I was reading this morning about Chelsea having 38 players out on loan. How many will make more than 10 starts for Chelsea? Unfortunately, Chelsea's adopt this as their business model. Buy young talent for reasonably low fees, loan them out for a few seasons and if they aren't good enough for first team after the loans, sell on for a few million and make a nice profit.

The thing is, they have been allowed (like the other big EPL clubs) to hoover up any potential talent and hope that for every 200-300 they take in, 1 turns out to be a star in the game. They can afford to do that to the detriment of the wider game.

It stinks and every tournament England fail in, the inevitable 'inquest' into the 'English game' begins and demands for better pathways for young English players are put forward. But the FA, who are behind these inquests and calls, are either too scared of the power of the EPL to actually tackle issues like you mention, which would enable the English game to develop where we all want it to be or are happy with the status quo as long as the money keeps rolling in at the top level.

Unfortunately I can only see things getting worse for any club that isn't part of the EPL elite clique.
I believe that the whole Checkatrade trophy debacle won't be the last stupid idea they attempt.

 

[Clarkey87]

I was

Only the use of the appalling EFL and EPL away from a deserved "like". EFL my arse.

Haha the amount of times I've mentioned both in my two posts about the topic was the reason for the abbreviations. I wasn't writing out Premier League or Football Leage each time! Would have been a pain in the arse and people would have stopped reading after the first 2 paragraphs