Cash in or Develop?

[Independent]

Given the negative comments on here that Louis Reed is too small, lightweight, and not good enough for a first team place, should we look to cash in if an offer comes in for him or trust Nigel Adkins to develop him into a player that is good enough to warrant a first team berth. His performances in the cup competitions no doubt attracted some interest, and his appearances and performances for England U18s will also have not gone unnoticed. I personally think develop him bit I think that needs to see him go out on loan rather than play with the U21's, but then given the negative comments on here who would want him on loan?

 

[Wards]

Who's said that?! I think a lot recognise that he's developing into a good footballer but that there are likely better options for us at the moment. Just because he might not be ready to play consistently well over a sustained period just yet is no slight at his undoubted potential to be a very good player.

 

[sheffielder]

It was Adkins who brought through Luke Shaw at Southampton when he was 16 so if there is something there I am sure he will develop him. Reed started promisingly for me, however seemed to get lost in the negativeness along with everyone else.

Squad player for me at this point and would need someone to organise him and do the dirty work for him to develop consistently.

 

[super_pig]

i dont' think any of us has a clue who the good and not so good players are atm because they all seemed to underperform under Clough. i think a few people might have to eat their words over the coming months over a few of the players and i'm sure they wont' mind.. if flynn improves then i won't mind either..
ok he will be MoM for a couple of games and then vanish for the next ten

 

[Rollerball]

I expect I tirade about this but a player like monty or Doyle doing the spadework for him in midfield would I think allow him to do what I believe people will find he does best, pass the ball and attack the defence creating space for others, definitely don't let him go.

 

[jt64]

Think it depends on how Adkins wants to play. If for some reason he wants to play 4-4-2, then if someone puts in a sensible offer I'd say cash in. If he wants to play with a three man midfield then keep

 

[Independent]

It would be interesting to see him as a holding midfielder (where he has played most of his football at U18/21 apparently), making the team tick with his variety of passing and with Basham and Coutts in front of him. I think he got pushed to one side when Clough brought in Coutts in January and didn't really get a look in over the last few months. When he did play he seemed to be trying to do things that were alien to him, in particular the Notts County game when nothing went right for him. It will be interesting to see how he does pre-season given his extended season with England, maybe we wont see him until September. At just 17 he had a lot of game time and was probably mentally tired too.

 

[Rossb123]

Given the negative comments on here that Louis Reed is too small, lightweight, and not good enough for a first team place, should we look to cash in if an offer comes in for him or trust Nigel Adkins to develop him into a player that is good enough to warrant a first team berth. His performances in the cup competitions no doubt attracted some interest, and his appearances and performances for England U18s will also have not gone unnoticed. I personally think develop him bit I think that needs to see him go out on loan rather than play with the U21's, but then given the negative comments on here who would want him on loan?

Don't think it's really a debate that's needed at this moment in time. I also think it's quite harsh asking who would want him.

I am sure most clubs in league one/ two would take him on loan. Throughout every young professionals career he is very likely to have a period where he is out of form. It's how Louis reacts to this season that is vital, this was his first full season he's had playing again experienced players.

He has clearly shown for England U18's that against people his age he is good enough to represent his country therefore why start a debate about if he's good enough?

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Given the negative comments on here that Louis Reed is too small, lightweight, and not good enough for a first team place

Exactly WHERE has these negative quotes come from?
The general opinion of Reed is not negative at all.

I question a 4th post on a single issue about Reed

What's the agenda fella? Someone has to ask - might as well be me in a civilised manner - some wouldn't.

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[Independent]

I have to agree with that. Scougall and Reed are nowhere near the standard to be in the first team, both incredibly weak, lack any conviction in their actions on the pitch and both lack any sort of height. Basham is best utilised in midfield and McEveley is an absolute liability in the heart of the defence.

Exactly WHERE has these negative quotes come from?
The general opinion of Reed is not negative at all.

I question a 4th post on a single issue about Reed

What's the agenda fella? Someone has to ask - might as well be me in a civilised manner - some wouldn't.

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I was responding to the above quote. As a new member I'm finding my feet on here, maybe I should have just responded to the quote rather than starting a thread

 

[Bladebri]

Reed will be one of our future stars, nurture him to be the best he can be, let's not burn him out at such a young age, he has time on his side let's use it wisely.

 

[Bladesman]

Could always send him out on loan for a season or a few months.

It would give him more game time.

 

[metalblade]

Exactly WHERE has these negative quotes come from?
The general opinion of Reed is not negative at all.

UTB

Probably been reading too much of Pinchy, to the OP here's a clue he is a WUM who has supported 5years of proper footballing failure and stated Weir would get us in the top two.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Louis Reed and Che Adams are integral to a brighter future at this club. The team should be built around them. Best two prospects we have by a long long way.

I will despair if they don't get a consistent run in the team next season.

 

[Pinchy]

Louis Reed and Che Adams are integral to a brighter future at this club. The team should be built around them. Best two prospects we have by a long long way.

I will despair if they don't get a consistent run in the team next season.

Really? I think they are far too early in their development to even contemplate building a team around them. I think we should build a team around players of proven ability at our level and above; players of some experience without being veterans but who know their way around a football pitch and don't have L plates on their back.

Did you see Reed's latter performances last season? On that form I'd be more inclined to build a shed around him.

It's Under-21s loans and gradual introductions from the bench that is required for these two promising lads at the moment. You build a team around them next season, you're building a weak and unproven structure. I want NA to build a promotion team; that requires something a little more solid, tried and tested.

 

[Pinchy]

Probably been reading too much of Pinchy, to the OP here's a clue he is a WUM who has supported 5years of proper footballing failure and stated Weir would get us in the top two.

Like anyone having robust views, he says what he thinks. Inevitably, unlike those who blow with the wind, he both gets things wrong occasionally and from time to time upsets those who are uncomfortable with home truths.

He is, however, familiar with the history of the game, he's seen quite a lot of it and he knows what sort of football wins leagues and trophies.

He is prepared to think beyond the redundant, grotesque football ideology that still pervades the backwoods of S2 but was long abandoned (without any mourners) to football's refuse tip by the rest of the world. Firstly because it has no aesthetic merit whatsoever but, and much more importantly, also because it doesn't win anything. It is commonly known as "fucking garbage". It remains, however, curiously alluring to the Japanese Soldiers lurking in Graves Park Woods, waiting for the return of their spiritual leader, last seen embarrassing himself in the "Crazy Gang" documentary.

He discloses uncomfortable truths, that Bladey Blades prefer not to hear. He is prepared to swim against tidal flows of nonsense, however popular the prevailing nonsense might be at the time.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Really? I think they are far too early in their development to even contemplate building a team around them. I think we should build a team around players of proven ability at our level and above; players of some experience without being veterans but who know their way around a football pitch and don't have L plates on their back.

Did you see Reed's latter performances last season? On that form I'd be more inclined to build a shed around him.

It's Under-21s loans and gradual introductions from the bench that is required for these two promising lads at the moment. You build a team around them next season, you're building a weak and unproven structure. I want NA to build a promotion team; that requires something a little more solid, tried and tested.

The teams that have gone on to bigger and better things.....Southampton, Bournemouth, Swansea etc etc. built their teams around the best young talent they had. I believe we should do the same. Reed is allowed to have poor games....what is he now? 18?!

This is the problem with the football culture in our country, we're not prepared to put our faith in good young players. The idea is not to drop them when their performances dip, you keep playing them, keep telling them they will do better because they have the ability to do so. If we don't let them learn from their mistakes they won't realise their potential.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I was responding to the above quote. As a new member I'm finding my feet on here, maybe I should have just responded to the quote rather than starting a thread

If you are to become a regular member - then welcome, but the OP still had something strange by it.
There has been very little negativity about Reed.
As pinchy eluded to above, his performances towards the end of the season were dire (Notts C/Oldham away as an example) but that is what you get with young players - inconsistency.
Reed showed skill beyond his years earlier in the season, generally against better opposition where they tend to let you play a bit more as against being shut down by average L1 players. Reed can be whoever he wants to be but is still development and as such just hope we can hang onto him. Some young players (Geronimo) want it all too soon, and as a result he may still go out of the door. Reed again needs to play 20 games plus and hopefully a regular in England U18's - gain some strength, avoid the shin splints and then hopefully season after next can be introduced to football a division higher. L1 is just not suited to some young kids like Reed. Now Che Adams is a different kettle of fish - his pace makes him more suited to this league as pace frightens anyone and in any league.

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[Pinchy]

The teams that have gone on to bigger and better things.....Southampton, Bournemouth, Swansea etc etc. built their teams around the best young talent they had. I believe we should do the same. Reed is allowed to have poor games....what is he now? 18?!

This is the problem with the football culture in our country, we're not prepared to put our faith in good young players. The idea is not to drop them when their performances dip, you keep playing them, keep telling them they will do better because they have the ability to do so. If we don't let them learn from their mistakes they won't realise their potential.

But we are a football club desperate for promotion. The development of young players, laudable as it may be. comes a very distant second right now.

We won't get promotion next season if around half the team consists of the following novices, all of whom are touted regularly on here for "a good run in the team" (ludicrous phrase more suited to a pub set-up):

Long, Kennedy, Reed, McNulty, De Juve, Adams. Over half a team and it would be overpowered and overwhelmed by the seasoned pros at some League One clubs. It's Bladey Wishful Thinking at its daftest, I'm afraid.

Play such a team next season and you will end up nearer relegation than promotion.

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Too small? I would like to point out that Louis Reed is taller than Lionel Messi.

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[bladesmanluke]

Given the negative comments on here that Louis Reed is too small, lightweight, and not good enough for a first team place, should we look to cash in if an offer comes in for him or trust Nigel Adkins to develop him into a player that is good enough to warrant a first team berth. His performances in the cup competitions no doubt attracted some interest, and his appearances and performances for England U18s will also have not gone unnoticed. I personally think develop him bit I think that needs to see him go out on loan rather than play with the U21's, but then given the negative comments on here who would want him on loan?

You are the only person in the world that's considering this, surely?

 

[Philip Reed]

The season hasn't started, he's just come back from playing for England, and is now on a well deserved holiday after a fantastic year in which he has worked his socks off to achieve what he has done. He knows he didn't finish off the season as well has he started it, how many 17 year olds in their first season do? . All I know is he cannot wait to get back for pre-season impress the new manager and hopefully pull on the red and white shirt for the first team again.

 

[Shalalalafenoughty]

The season hasn't started, he's just come back from playing for England, and is now on a well deserved holiday after a fantastic year in which he has worked his socks off to achieve what he has done. He knows he didn't finish off the season as well has he started it, how many 17 year olds in their first season do? . All I know is he cannot wait to get back for pre-season impress the new manager and hopefully pull on the red and white shirt for the first team again.

Well said.

 

[mosbolad]

He is, however, familiar with the history of the game, he's seen quite a lot of it and he knows what sort of football wins leagues and trophies.

He is very very comfortable talking about himself in the third person......

Elsa Ronningstam, associate clinical professor of psychology at Harvard Medical School and author of Identifying and Understanding the Narcissistic Personality: Referring to yourself in the third person creates distance between "I" and "he." So if you have an exaggerated view of how great you are, you could be using this distance to make yourself even bigger.

.............

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

But we are a football club desperate for promotion. The development of young players, laudable as it may be. comes a very distant second right now.

We won't get promotion next season if around half the team consists of the following novices, all of whom are touted regularly on here for "a good run in the team" (ludicrous phrase more suited to a pub set-up):

Long, Kennedy, Reed, McNulty, De Juve, Adams. Over half a team and it would be overpowered and overwhelmed by the seasoned pros at some League One clubs. It's Bladey Wishful Thinking at its daftest, I'm afraid.

Play such a team next season and you will end up nearer relegation than promotion.

I remember coming down with "seasoned pros" and then signing quite a few more. That worked out well didn't it?

We were desperate for promotion four years ago mate. The desperation has been and gone. We are now an established League One side that needs to keep rebuilding a solid foundation. That solid foundation has to consist of identifiable players, grown locally and with talent as far as I'm concerned, I've no interest in going up with a bunch of 30+ cloggers bought from here there and everywhere that won't be good enough to play in the Championship.

 

[Revolution]

I remember coming down with "seasoned pros" and then signing quite a few more. That worked out well didn't it?

We were desperate for promotion four years ago mate. The desperation has been and gone. We are now an established League One side that needs to keep rebuilding a solid foundation. That solid foundation has to consist of identifiable players, grown locally and with talent as far as I'm concerned, I've no interest in going up with a bunch of 30+ cloggers bought from here there and everywhere that won't be good enough to play in the Championship.

I have an interest in being promoted full stop. I don't care how we do it.

I would rather be promoted than watch a callow, physically weak side get the crap kicked out of them every week.

 

[grafikhaus]

Well said.

Think the clue is in the poster's name.

 

[Revolution]

I remember coming down with "seasoned pros" and then signing quite a few more. That worked out well didn't it?

We were desperate for promotion four years ago mate. The desperation has been and gone. We are now an established League One side that needs to keep rebuilding a solid foundation. That solid foundation has to consist of identifiable players, grown locally and with talent as far as I'm concerned, I've no interest in going up with a bunch of 30+ cloggers bought from here there and everywhere that won't be good enough to play in the Championship.

And another thing - if you want identifiable players, grown locally and with talent, I suggest you get yourself a time machine and go back to about 1965.

Is there a club in the English leagues that currently has a squad like that? I can't think of one.

 

[super_pig]

I expect I tirade about this but a player like monty or Doyle doing the spadework for him in midfield would I think allow him to do what I believe people will find he does best, pass the ball and attack the defence creating space for others, definitely don't let him go.

you mean we need Mick Speight or Trevor Hockey.. you have to be able to tackle AND pass the ball five yards when you get it.. good point though

 

[BushBlade]

You are the only person in the world that's considering this, surely?

It's not that outrageous though really. It could take another two years of 'development' before Lou is ready to be a first team regular. During that time he has to be allowed to play, and make mistakes, some of which may be punished. It may even cost us games.
If a bid was big enough, you could argue that we'd be better taking the money and reinvesting it in players who are ready for the first team.
I'd like to think we don't need to do that and NA will be backed enough to get us up and if we're playing well, it should be easier to give the young players opportunities to play and develop, at their own pace.

While his form tailed off last season, it's hardly surprising and he's got better reasons for it than the senior players. Anyone who is overly critical of him, is basically an over- opinionated arsehole whose arrogance is only surpassed by their ignorance.