carver wantd by pardew

[creswellblade79]

im not sure if you guys have heard of this already but it looks like carver could be on his way out of the lane too if the rumours are true

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Carver-Newcastle-No-2.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

for those that carnt open the link.....

Alan Pardew is poised to complete his back-room structure at Newcastle by recruiting the late Sir Bobby Robson's assistant, John Carver, as his No 2.

Carver is caretaker boss at Sheffield United but his chances of landing the post permanently look slim after Port Vale gave the Blades permission to interview Micky Adams.
Sir Bobby and Carver took the club into Europe in three successive seasons, reaching the semi-finals of the UEFA Cup in 2004.

 

[JohnDenver]

Tricky for Carver if he feels he has a genuine shot at the Blades job. Suspect he hasn't much chance, but that's what he needs to assess...

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Strange that people want our staff, but quite a lot of us don't....

 

[sheffielder]

I don't want to lose Carver, but I think we will if he doesn't get the top job. I am not sure what is happening as seem to have spoken to S'OD, Adams and Scott. Only one of them will bring the change in style that the club wants. I was thinking that if Carver does a good job why can't he be the 1st team coach/manager and have a director of football overlooking him and Pemberton. I couldn't think of anyone then I have seen Coppell mentioned by Pinchy and thought he would be perfect. He also knows Pemberton from their Crystal Palace days. Could this work?

 

[Kev Gee]

I think Carver makes a good N2 but not a N1.
Also it would aid Adams/SOD/Scott if he was here when they came in to give them advice.
I guess its down to Carver really.

 

[creswellblade79]

although id like to see a change in the style of play at the lane i doubt it will get us anywhere. united arnt like the arsenals,chelseas of the football leagues. we,l never attract or afford the big names of the game that can play perfect free flowing football just decent hoofball players or have beens with the grit and determination too win no matter how scrappy the goals are scored and thats why i follow them

 

[sitwell]

Doncaster aren't like the Chelsea,Arsenals of this world either. They have a very well oily publicity machine in which the press go cock in hand to a ego-maniacle self publicising chairman ,meanwhile boring everyone off their tits by getting the back 4 and midfielders to pass to each other with no pressure under testimonial conditions in front of 8 k fans in a subbuteo stadium. Can't understand why some people fall for it and it would never work at the Lane where we are used to excitement and commitment and that harnessed with decent players and the right manager is what we need right now. NOT O'DRISCOLL.

 

[raul]

Think if it's a choice of being No2 here or at Newcastle it's a it of a no-brainer. But if he wants the job here he should stick around winning as many games as he can before someone takes it off him.

 

[Ivanhoe]

Doncaster aren't like the Chelsea,Arsenals of this world either. They have a very well oily publicity machine in which the press go cock in hand to a ego-maniacle self publicising chairman ,meanwhile boring everyone off their tits by getting the back 4 and midfielders to pass to each other with no pressure under testimonial conditions in front of 8 k fans in a subbuteo stadium. Can't understand why some people fall for it and it would never work at the Lane where we are used to excitement and commitment and that harnessed with decent players and the right manager is what we need right now. NOT O'DRISCOLL.

Spot On, could'nt have put it better myself...

 

[Big Mart]

Doncaster aren't like the Chelsea,Arsenals of this world either. They have a very well oily publicity machine in which the press go cock in hand to a ego-maniacle self publicising chairman ,meanwhile boring everyone off their tits by getting the back 4 and midfielders to pass to each other with no pressure under testimonial conditions in front of 8 k fans in a subbuteo stadium. Can't understand why some people fall for it and it would never work at the Lane where we are used to excitement and commitment and that harnessed with decent players and the right manager is what we need right now. NOT O'DRISCOLL.

Whereas we have a chairman in hiding, a team that couldn't string 2 passes together even against the weakest of teams (couldn't even do it in the subbuteo stadium where we were well beaten), yet we have the added advantage of attracting big crowds in a nice ground.

Excitement and committment are things of the past at BDTBL, sadly not even a decent manager could bring those back with the current squad. New chairman, new manager, new players, it sounds simple but boy oh boy are we in for a rough ride until we get them.

 

[lenners]

Doncaster aren't like the Chelsea,Arsenals of this world either. They have a very well oily publicity machine in which the press go cock in hand to a ego-maniacle self publicising chairman ,meanwhile boring everyone off their tits by getting the back 4 and midfielders to pass to each other with no pressure under testimonial conditions in front of 8 k fans in a subbuteo stadium. Can't understand why some people fall for it and it would never work at the Lane where we are used to excitement and commitment and that harnessed with decent players and the right manager is what we need right now. NOT O'DRISCOLL.

Yay, more running around like headless chickens, get stuck in, they don't like it up 'em, bust it bla, bla, bla.
The world's moved on.
Which is why the outdated way of playing football has actually brought fuck all excitement in the last few years at the Lane.
Back in the day, we had excitement from playing football - when United were known as a footballing club.
We either return to a footballing culture or we continue our slow death in front of rapidly diminishing crowds.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Yay, more running around like headless chickens, get stuck in, they don't like it up 'em, bust it bla, bla, bla.
The world's moved on.
Which is why the outdated way of playing football has actually brought fuck all excitement in the last few years at the Lane.
Back in the day, we had excitement from playing football - when United were known as a footballing club.
We either return to a footballing culture or we continue our slow death in front of rapidly diminishing crowds.

In the nigh-on 30 years since my first game at the Lane, I've never seen a United team play beautiful passing football for more than about half a season before it going tits up. I have however had some of the best afternoons and nights of my life watching us scare another team rigid and pulling off genuinely exciting performances on the back of a passionate, raucous and - in the case of 2002-3 games against Leeds, Liverpool and the Pigs - borderline homicidal crowds.

I love talking about Currie / Woodward with my old man - but they were just 5 years in the last 50, and the game has certainly moved on. The 'outdated way of playing football' that you talk about is currently experiencing an Indian summer at Blackpool, Stoke and, if I'm being particularly harsh, Everton.

The problem with what we've had at the Lane over the last 3 years hasn't been about playing style - it's been about approach and mindset and the fact it's been done badly. What Basset's team, Warnock's teams, Pulis' team at Stoke and Holloway's at Blackpool are all about are putting heart and soul into winning games because for most of the players it's a chance they wouldn't otherwise have. Blackwell's teams played like their career depended on not losing - a big difference.

I hear what Sitters is saying - I couldn't get excited about polite applause for pretty triangle passing that doesn't get us anywhere, and unless a miracle happens and we unearth the new Rio in the Mosborough townships I can't ever see us assembling a team that can produce breathtaking quality football. I could get very excited about a set of local lads giving it to the big boys in whatever way they wanted it and winning some games along the way.

Direct doesn't necessarily mean bad. Long-ball doesn't necessarily mean hoof-ball. Carpet passes don't necessarily go hand-in-hand with passion and big crowds. Let's be careful what we wish for.

I'd like SOD because I think he might be the best on offer - as he seems to have brought some decent players through from lower leagues and he might (just might) repeat the 5 years of the Currie / Woodward era. I'd be very happy with Adams, as he's most likely to return United for the brand of passion, blood and guts that has been our trademark for the best times I've had following the Blades.

Oh - and during that time, for the most part the blokes running the club have been shit and we've had no money.

 

[lenners]

Good luck Cheshire Cat.
You'll be able to have a stand to yourself if you think that's the way forward.
You can wave at Sitwell from the other side.
And if you think Holloway's or Moyes' approach is similar to Pulis, you need your bumps feeling.
The saddest thing of all is that we have fans who are so brain-washed, so unable to think or see for themselves that they actually believe good football means meaningless triangles or playing without passion.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't want to lose Carver, but I think we will if he doesn't get the top job. I am not sure what is happening as seem to have spoken to S'OD, Adams and Scott. Only one of them will bring the change in style that the club wants. I was thinking that if Carver does a good job why can't he be the 1st team coach/manager and have a director of football overlooking him and Pemberton. I couldn't think of anyone then I have seen Coppell mentioned by Pinchy and thought he would be perfect. He also knows Pemberton from their Crystal Palace days. Could this work?

Micky Adam's sides play more flowing football than Bassett's, Warnock's, Robson's or Blackwell's. Not everyone is expecting tippy tappy total football or nothing. Don't get me wrong, I'd take O'Driscoll. I just don't buy it that it's his way or nothing.

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Good luck Cheshire Cat.
You'll be able to have a stand to yourself if you think that's the way forward.
You can wave at Sitwell from the other side.
And if you think Holloway's or Moyes' approach is similar to Pulis, you need your bumps feeling.
The saddest thing of all is that we have fans who are so brain-washed, so unable to think or see for themselves that they actually believe good football means meaningless triangles or playing without passion.

More stunning is the number of our fans who've decided that O'Driscoll is the ONLY manager that can deliver a playing style that's worth watching. You've said yourself that Adams wouldn't be a bad shout. It'll be fun watching you back track from that as his odds shorten.

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[lenners]

Micky Adam's sides play more flowing football than Bassett's, Warnock's, Robson's or Blackwell's. Not everyone is expecting tippy tappy total football or nothing. Don't get me wrong, I'd take O'Driscoll. I just don't buy it that it's his way or nothing.

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More stunning is the number of our fans who've decided that O'Driscoll is the ONLY manager that can deliver a playing style that's worth watching. You've said yourself that Adams wouldn't be a bad shout. It'll be fun watching you back track from that as his odds shorten.

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Adams'll be a giggle from the pig-baiting point of view and I doubt he'd have put a team out capable of that 'performance' today.
But not sure it really matters any more.
I think there are going to be several thousand more giving the two-fingered salute to McCabe and co at the end of the season in any case.
The club's dying on its arse.

 

[alcoblade]

So, Adams has gone from "not being a bad shout" to "worth a giggle". You clearly think he's got the job. At least in time you'll be able to completely deny rating Adams, and most will forget...

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[lenners]

So, Adams has gone from "not being a bad shout" to "worth a giggle". You clearly think he's got the job. At least in time you'll be able to completely deny rating Adams, and most will forget...

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I think Adams is fine.
We'd get a team prepared to try and a manager with his heart in it.
I'm simply saying that several thousand more fans are going to walk at the end of this season, regardless.
There's a nasty smell of decay at the Lane, a failure of the top brass to take any responsibility, no leadership.
Micky Adams becoming manager would make ferk all difference.

 

[beightonblade]

Talk about clutching at straws ....................... anybody who thinks a new manager alone will solve the problems at BDTBL is either on medication or needs to be .

 

[alcoblade]

The name of the manager wont make any difference, winning matches will. That's 80% of it. Add 20% fluff of pleasing football and you've got it. There are no examples of unsuccessful teams being well supported because they play nice football. Anywhere. Ever.

We're rubbish. We need change. It doesn't have to be O'Driscoll and it might not be Adams. But unless we start winning, it really wont make a difference.

Out of interest, do you think if O'Driscoll came and we muddled through until the end of the season, there'd be an upsurge in support?

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[lenners]

I think a manager like SOD is essential to completely change what SUFC means.
Doesn't have to be him but it needs to be a radical choice like him, with a brief to overhaul the way we play football from top to bottom.
Without real change and real leadership, SUFC are going to struggle to survive as a meaningful football club in the next few years.
Real decay has set in and it'll take real leadership to arrest the situation.
Currently, there remains no sign that McCabe has a clue what's going on under his nose.

 

[alcoblade]

I do understand what you're saying and I agree that we need to move away from the blood and guts culture that we've become engulfed in. But I think the majority of managers play a more cultured style than what we've had for 2 decades. I don't think it's essential that we move to the other extreme to bring about change. And for every fan we gain because they support the direction, we could well lose 2 because we might need to take more immediate steps backwards. 9 out of 10 say they'd be patient. 1 out of 10 would be.

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[grafikhaus]

After yesterday, Newcastle are welcome to him.

I couldn't make it owing to heavy flu, so I listened to the commentary on RS. In the first half, I lost count of the number of times that Keith Edwards stated that 'you can't play only one up front at home' and '4-5-1 effectively is a midfielder too many'. After the game, Carver claimed that 'We changed it around at half time'. Utter crap. The change was forced on him with the withdrawal of Quinn for Ward. (One caller on P & G actually called him a 'bloody liar' for claiming credit for the switch). Even if it did take this tactical genius until half time to spot what was happening on the field, it's a bit late when you're 2-0 down.

The rot set in with the sale of Beattie (and McCabe's lies about it). So what if he was on £40k a week? There are many, many occasions with his class would have won us 3 points, and we wouldn't be staring relegation in the face. For a 'successful businessman' (we now know he's nothing of the sort - just a property speculator who couldn't see the recession coming ) - selling Beattie was the equivalent of knowing the roof is leaking, but saying 'we can't afford to fix it'. It can only get worse - and it has.

Whoever comes in as manager will be a gamble. The rot starts at the top, and goes right through the club, whether it's the laughable claim that Ellis is some kind of coach, to that rest home for ex-footballers called The Academy.

 

[Micalijo]

Top stuff Graf - love the property speculator bit, and to see Carver and Ellis 'bossing' it yesterday was heartbreaking for all Blades. Impossible to truly get behind a pathetically poor side and McCabe should have been ashamed of that first half. A total and utter disgrace and still we turn up to watch it.

I agree that whoever the new manager is will have to be a miracle worker. It is impossible to organise such a weak back four, I think Simmo is dodgy and the midfiled is beyond hope and will get worse when Reidy goes. Add in a non-existant strike force and you have to feel for the new man. Adams long ball stuff will never work because we aint got the players, we cannot pass it and thank god for PNE, Scunthorpe and Palace.

 

[beightonblade]

What for ? .......

 

[Micalijo]

Handing training tops out?

 

[alcoblade]

The rot set in with the sale of Beattie (and McCabe's lies about it). So what if he was on £40k a week?

The rot started with, amongst others, the purchase of Beattie. No passage of time can erase the fact that we gathered more points (in that season) per game after he left than when he was here.

When we decided it was sensible to pay one player the equivalent of one third of the income from gate receipts whilst playing in England's second division was that day it turned south.

"so what if he was on £40K per week".....aye, and so what if the game's gone down the pan because of money.

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[Big Mart]

"so what if he was on £40K per week".....aye, and so what if the game's gone down the pan because of money.

Totally agree that football's gone down the pan, thank-you Mr Murdoch, but what do you do? Certainly can't beat 'em so begrudgingly you have to join 'em. Ask a Stoke fan, a Birmingham fan etc, a whole host of fans of clubs similar to ours and ask them what they'd prefer. Holding their own in the Premiership because they invested wisely in players and were prepared to pay the wages, or whether they'd like to make a stand against the establishment and scrat about wondering where the next decent cheap and affordable player's going to appear from, like us.

Sad state of affairs, but whilever you have the words "Football Club" in your company name then the "Football" part should take priority.

 

[alcoblade]

Totally agree that football's gone down the pan, thank-you Mr Murdoch, but what do you do? Certainly can't beat 'em so begrudgingly you have to join 'em. Ask a Stoke fan, a Birmingham fan etc, a whole host of fans of clubs similar to ours and ask them what they'd prefer. Holding their own in the Premiership because they invested wisely in players and were prepared to pay the wages, or whether they'd like to make a stand against the establishment and scrat about wondering where the next decent cheap and affordable player's going to appear from, like us.

Sad state of affairs, but whilever you have the words "Football Club" in your company name then the "Football" part should take priority.

But Beattie, Speed, Hendry etc - didn't bring success, they bankrupted us. They're part of the reason we now have to apologise for playing the likes of Andy Taylor at left back and argue "he's not that bad really".

Beattie was a good player - but I used his example because of both disgraceful wages and the concrete fact that as a unit we were more successful without him than with him within the same season. Clearly money doesn’t directly bring about success but it can easily bring about the poor house and the quality we now have to suffer.

When you've got the money you can spend it. We spent it AFTER relegation. Work that one out?

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[Big Mart]

We spent it before relegation too don't forget, we bought the likes of big Claude Davis for example

Not having a dig but I do think that on the pitch, where it matters most to us fans, we've been run poorly as a club for some time now. We've rushed into things time and time again, appointing stop gap managers, buying cheapo players in haste who really haven't been what we needed.

A total re-think at the Lane is required, and maybe if I dare say so, a move away from the Mc Cabe dynasty as they've had their day and been found wanting. Doesn't really matter who so long as it brings success, even that nasty Ken Bates, who's hated by most hasn't done too badly at Dirty Leeds since his inception so let's get the blinkers off and get somebody in who's got the nads enough to acually make a difference.

 

[alcoblade]

We spent it before relegation too don't forget, we bought the likes of big Claude Davis for example

Not having a dig but I do think that on the pitch, where it matters most to us fans, we've been run poorly as a club for some time now. We've rushed into things time and time again, appointing stop gap managers, buying cheapo players in haste who really haven't been what we needed.

A total re-think at the Lane is required, and maybe if I dare say so, a move away from the Mc Cabe dynasty as they've had their day and been found wanting. Doesn't really matter who so long as it brings success, even that nasty Ken Bates, who's hated by most hasn't done too badly at Dirty Leeds since his inception so let's get the blinkers off and get somebody in who's got the nads enough to acually make a difference.

Why do you think I might consider it a dig - I agree with you on most of that (apart from welcoming Bates..)

Warnock was a great manager but squandered what resource he was given in the Premiership. But I have real doubts that he would have been allowed to sign player of Beattie's qualities, because of wages. In that way, McCabe got it arse about tit.

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