Can aford no more than 4 or 5 more losses

[Harry's Game]

Between now and the end of the season if we want to get into the top two, Last season Wolves lost five and Brentford lost eight.

I expect Bristol City to lose about the same as Wolves as they are head and shoulders above anyone else in the league, however I don't think there will be anyone quite as good as Brentford so second place may be able to,afford around the ten losses range similar to the previous 2 seasons.

With about a third of the seaon gone we have lost 5 at that rate we will lose about 15 and that means edge of or just outside the play offs and shows just how much improvement needs to be made to make us contenders.

Reallistically we may already be looking at the play off places as a target, top two from here is now looking a huge ask.

 

[UnitedBlade]

Yesterday confirmed what we are and have been all season: a side that could compete for the top 6 if we get our act together. Not at any stage have we looked like a convincing top 2 side.

It is really frustrating to watch sloppy passing, poor crossing and toothless finishing. Add in an uncontested free header for the goal which was always going to be enough to win the game.

One season we will win a play off final. Let's hope it can be this season. We need about 50 more points and then to be playing well come May.

It will be a battle.

 

[Glos Red]

I have forgotten what it is like to lose happy days.

 

[Dkc]

I've a feeling NC may do better in the play offs than Wilson, Blackwell, and Warnock. And Billy McKewan,

 

[zablade]

I've a feeling NC may do better in the play offs than Wilson, Blackwell, and Warnock. And Billy McKewan,

Well he's been a football manager over a decade and not won a single promotion yet so I am not quite so confident.

 

[Kenilworth]

Play Offs?
We know this club doesn't do play offs. Why? Cos we never have a fit striker when we get there.

The odd thing about it this season is that we are trying to practice for that very situation in every game. We don't play a striker so we won't miss one appears to be the plan.

I'm pretty sure it's going to fuck us up the arse come the season's end.

:shakeshead:

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Well he's been a football manager over a decade and not won a single promotion yet so I am not quite so confident.

He won two promotions with Burton, and would have got a third with them had he not left for Derby.

If you're going to criticise him, at least get your facts straight first.

 

[Gavlar]

Between now and the end of the season if we want to get into the top two, Last season Wolves lost five and Brentford lost eight.

I expect Bristol City to lose about the same as Wolves as they are head and shoulders above anyone else in the league, however I don't think there will be anyone quite as good as Brentford so second place may be able to,afford around the ten losses range similar to the previous 2 seasons.

With about a third of the seaon gone we have lost 5 at that rate we will lose about 15 and that means edge of or just outside the play offs and shows just how much improvement needs to be made to make us contenders.

Reallistically we may already be looking at the play off places as a target, top two from here is now looking a huge ask.

Sadly I agree mate. We don't look anywhere near an automatic promo side. Then again, if we had won yesterday we would be 2 points behind 2nd place, fine margins and all that!

Long way to go but we must improve and quick.

 

[JohnDenver]

We're a team which finished 7th last year then had its three best players removed. In that context we're doing OK, but do need to do better. The real frustration is how close we are. We've built the squad to promotion depth, but need a quality striker and defender to finish top 2.

A selling club needs to be incredibly savvy in order to succeed and we haven't been good enough in the market yet again. It's facile to blame a single player, but if Harry Maguire had either stayed, or stated an intention to leave after the final game of last season, we'd be in a far better position now.

Following United is purgatory at times.

 

[metalblade]

We're a team which finished 7th last year then had its three best players removed. In that context we're doing OK, but do need to do better. The real frustration is how close we are. We've built the squad to promotion depth, but need a quality striker and defender to finish top 2.

A selling club needs to be incredibly savvy in order to succeed and we haven't been good enough in the market yet again. It's facile to blame a single player, but if Harry Maguire had either stayed, or stated an intention to leave after the final game of last season, we'd be in a far better position now.

Following United is purgatory at times.

Speaking of Maguire what an absolute waste of a career 1 appearance in the league cup and 1 in the Europa qualifiers all season, he has not even got loaned out to a championship team. Still by the end of the season he will be set up for life but I can't help thinking only his agent did well out of the deal.

 

[JohnDenver]

Speaking of Maguire what an absolute waste of a career 1 appearance in the league cup and 1 in the Europa qualifiers all season, he has not even got loaned out to a championship team. Still by the end of the season he will be set up for life but I can't help thinking only his agent did well out of the deal.

I find it bizarre that no Championship club has taken him on loan yet.

 

[wizadry]

He won two promotions with Burton, and would have got a third with them had he not left for Derby.

If you're going to criticise him, at least get your facts straight first.

To be fair i think he meant Football League promotions and not non league,that's how i took it anyway.

Just as a matter of interest mate,how many points clear were they when he left for Derby?Genuine question.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

To be fair i think he meant Football League promotions and not non league,that's how i took it anyway.

Just as a matter of interest mate,how many points clear were they when he left for Derby?Genuine question.

13. Though he left in January, so i suppose there was still plenty of time to fuck it up.

 

[wizadry]

13. Though he left in January, so i suppose there was still plenty of time to fuck it up.

Cheers,that would have took an all mighty fuck up,admittedly you're right,but all the same it's still possible in football

 

[Guesty]

Play Offs?
We know this club doesn't do play offs. Why? Cos we never have a fit striker when we get there.

The odd thing about it this season is that we are trying to practice for that very situation in every game. We don't play a striker so we won't miss one appears to be the plan.

I'm pretty sure it's going to fuck us up the arse come the season's end.

:shakeshead:

You say that but I remember losing with Fjortoft and Taylor up front so it can't just be that!

 

[MiserableBlader]

That's the problem with Negative Nigel.

30 draws no defeats = 30 points = failure
20 wins 10 defeats = 60 points = success

FFS grow a pair and go for it in this appalling division.
And it may even be entertaining for 90 minutes not the last 5 or 10!

 

[Kenilworth]

You say that but I remember losing with Fjortoft and Taylor up front so it can't just be that!

Taylor was a sub. Katchuro started but I take your point. Not been that prepared since and we still didn't threaten much over the 90 mins.

Carl Veart was on the bench for Palace

 

[Guesty]

Taylor was a sub. Katchuro started but I take your point. Not been that prepared since and we still didn't threaten much over the 90 mins.

Carl Veart was on the bench for Palace

Yeah fair enough, I remember Taylor being on towards the end.

 

[zablade]

To be fair i think he meant Football League promotions and not non league,that's how i took it anyway.

Just as a matter of interest mate,how many points clear were they when he left for Derby?Genuine question.

yes I meant League promotions.

 

[blade too long]

to guarentee a top 2 wed need 90 points to 93
we are on 26 points with 31 to play so 63 to 65 is top end what wed need so 21 22 wins
so statistically if we avoid draws we could lose another 10 . unlikely yes but mathmatecally right
we could lose another 7 or 8 and still go up
79 was enough for second one season , mainly in then mid eighties



brentford lost 11 going up
doncaster lost 12
bournemouth 11

 

[DazBlade88]

That's the problem with Negative Nigel.

30 draws no defeats = 30 points = failure
20 wins 10 defeats = 60 points = success

FFS grow a pair and go for it in this appalling division.
And it may even be entertaining for 90 minutes not the last 5 or 10!

We've only drawn two out of the 16 and lost five. You could argue we've not ground out enough draws yet.

 

[Balham]

We've only drawn two out of the 16 and lost five. You could argue we've not ground out enough draws yet.

Of those 5 defeats, only one (Swindon) has been by more than one goal. Holding on/grinding out a draw/equalising doesn't seem to have figured as much this season as last. Put it this way: if our league record was P16 W9 D5 L2 I think most on here would be much happier and we'd only have had to score three more (or concede three fewer).

 

[SandyMcBlade]

Don't Panic, don't panic I've seen this one before.
It all comes down to a penalty in the final minute of the play offs,and Doyle does a cockney walk up to the ball shoots and AHhhhhhggggggg.

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

yes I meant League promotions.

How was he supposed to gain a league promotion when managing a non-league team?

 

[wizadry]

How was he supposed to gain a league promotion when managing a non-league team?

That's exactly the point,he hasn't yet done it at league level and a few people are asking has he got the credentials to do it.Afterall the question got brought up when someone said that Cloughy's going to be better in the playoffs than previous managers,if i were you i'd be more inclined to ask that person why he thinks this could possibly be the case.

 

[WorkingtonBlade]

That's exactly the point,he hasn't yet done it at league level and a few people are asking has he got the credentials to do it.Afterall the question got brought up when someone said that Cloughy's going to be better in the playoffs than previous managers,if i were you i'd be more inclined to ask that person why he thinks this could possibly be the case.

Zablade said Clough had been a manager for over a decade and not won a single promotion. For the vast majority of that period he was managing a team in a league which Zablade excluded from his definition of a promotion. Surely you can see that it is ridiculous criticism. He can't get a team promoted from a league it isn't in.

Incidentally, I also find it a concern that Brian Deane never scored a goal* despite being a professional footballer for over a decade.

*When I say a goal, I'm only counting goals in the Champions League, obviously.

 

[wizadry]

Zablade said Clough had been a manager for over a decade and not won a single promotion. For the vast majority of that period he was managing a team in a league which Zablade excluded from his definition of a promotion. Surely you can see that it is ridiculous criticism. He can't get a team promoted from a league it isn't in.

Incidentally, I also find it a concern that Brian Deane never scored a goal* despite being a professional footballer for over a decade.

*When I say a goal, I'm only counting goals in the Champions League, obviously.

I don't think it's ridiculous criticism,infact i don't even think it's criticism,i just think it's a fair point that Clough has not yet managed to get promotion yet in the football league under any circumstances,whether it be not enough chances at league level yet or he's simply still learning,the fact is he hasn't done it yet at this level or above.

Wouldn't you agree that it's a lot easier to get promotion at non league level?

I like the example btw,and i get the point,and this leads me on to this.Everybody,whether that be player or manager,always find their level(well,in most cases anyway).And btw,Deane has scored in the Champions league,albeit in the qualifying round,does that count?

I will finish on this mate.I really,with hand on heart and all that shit,hope that Cloughy gets his first league promotion with us and gets us out of this lovelyleague,i really do.

 

[blade too long]

Heres an interesting factoid .5 years ago today our snort beast neighbours were sat in 14th in the championship on 20 points after 16 games 5points above a relegation berth .exactly where they are now .they drew with palace in game 46 to cheer us all up .oh for some deja vu

 

[zablade]

I don't think it's ridiculous criticism,infact i don't even think it's criticism,i just think it's a fair point that Clough has not yet managed to get promotion yet in the football league under any circumstances,whether it be not enough chances at league level yet or he's simply still learning,the fact is he hasn't done it yet at this level or above.

Wouldn't you agree that it's a lot easier to get promotion at non league level?

I like the example btw,and i get the point,and this leads me on to this.Everybody,whether that be player or manager,always find their level(well,in most cases anyway).And btw,Deane has scored in the Champions league,albeit in the qualifying round,does that count?

I will finish on this mate.I really,with hand on heart and all that shit,hope that Cloughy gets his first league promotion with us and gets us out of this lovelyleague,i really do.

I how much do I pay you for this defence Wiz and have you offered your services to Ched?

 

[zablade]

Zablade said Clough had been a manager for over a decade and not won a single promotion. For the vast majority of that period he was managing a team in a league which Zablade excluded from his definition of a promotion. Surely you can see that it is ridiculous criticism. He can't get a team promoted from a league it isn't in.

Incidentally, I also find it a concern that Brian Deane never scored a goal* despite being a professional footballer for over a decade.

*When I say a goal, I'm only counting goals in the Champions League, obviously.

Look the fact is That however you slice it Clough had not yet won a League Promotion and never been in the play offs let alone won one.

Warnocks record in the Play offs was good before he took us into them, the biggest problem any United manager has is that there is psychological block when it comes to the play offs, a bit like England with Penalty shoot outs, I don't think anyone now truly belives we will ever win one, it's Autos or nowt for us where promotion is concerned.