Burnley failing to control their players and fans.

[Champagneblade]

a bit ironic really, Jordan hates Wilder yet Wilder's (the old school, heart on his sleeve type) the sort of manager that SJ would have employed when he owned Palace.

His constant sucking up to the big 6 owners is weird as well, especially Todd Boehly who can do no wrong in Jordan's eyes, even though he's had some questionable decisions as Chelsea owner.

Including (Boehly that is) owning a ticket touting website that rips his own Chelsea fans off with extortionate prices, which the EPL don't seem to care about.

I normally don’t mind Jordan but he has a real blind spot now when it comes to Wilder.

Not sure how our players somehow incited Forest fans when 2,000 illegally trespassed on the pitch and one assaulted our captain.

If he wanted a good example why not take a break from doffing his cap to Sheffield Wednesday and look at when one of their fans went on the pitch and clouted a Palace player.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Burnley beat us and gained promotion, big game, emotions high and I don't begrudge them getting a bit giddy. Our lads put up a decent showing and with the layout of the ground were making a slight detour to applaud our travelling fans on their way to the changing room. Again, nowt wrong with that. What isn't acceptable is a number of the home fans, rather than celebrating with their own, start giving it the Billy Big Bollocks to our players. Absolute fucking wanker trick and if any of our fit young athletes had lost his head and started dishing a few slaps out, they'd get my full backing.

Some of you protected title fuckers need to experience life a bit, you can't fucking wait to pile into our lot because you've never experienced shit. You hate Wilder, you cry like fuck when we show some passion and I honestly think you'd be better off shaking your head and tut tutting at golf fans for shouting 'in the hole' and all that bollocks. Might stress you out a bit but hide behind a pullout you must, to keep you safe.

We used to be known for having an intimidating ground full of intimidating fans, now half of you fuckers are like a bunch of dinner ladies crying because the kids won't stand in line. Blades??? Fucking hell, I hope not.

UTBFTP

Well, if your answer to being provoked or “showing passion” means punching people in the face, you probably really miss the good old days of football in the 70’s. Creating an intimidating atmosphere has nothing to do with violence unless you’re one of the sad grandads who can be seen hiding behind the police lines, offering it up to away supporters - pathetic and has no place in a modern football ground. Personally, I love rivalry but have not time for thuggish behaviour. Do I “hate” Wednesday? Actually no, I have many friends who support them. I think it would be great for the City to have two established PL sides going at it in a derby to rival any from the other major cities - just as it was in the 60’s. That doesn’t diminish my love for United, I just choose to focus on other things

 

[Nick Jansky]

I

Oh, and it's pillow not pullout, whatever the fuck that is.

It’s what your dad should have done.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

yellow bellied pussies!!

Steady now

 

[Chris the Blade]

This country is full of uneducated chavs and a lot of them go to football matches. Hence you get trouble at most games. It's a sad indictment of society but unfortunately will never change. Most kids don't read anymore. They wouldn't know a Shakespearean sonnet if they tripped over it. Bringing back grammar schools, regular nightly homework and national service would immediately reduce the idiotic behaviour at football matches but politicians like Starmer will never do that so we'll just have to put up with the mindless yobs ad infinitum.

 

[54yrblade]

The post match problems on field were the result of p*ss poor planning by the Burnley safety team and Police. The tunnel area was an obvious risk and they had nothing in place to cover that.

Nothing, nothing will change until someone gets seriously hurt or worse.

Fines are pointless when money is no problem and when many clubs run at a huge loss every year, when most other businesses would go to the wall under similar financial profiles.

Stewarding, largely, is bang average or worse, country wide and we've all seen it.

The Blades coach scenes were preventable too.

However, our image in that respect doesn't help. We've cultivated and promoted an aggressive mentality that is also noted and, sadly, plays a part in the psychology of supporters. Ours and away fans. Absolutely not an excuse but a contributory factor.

 

[CornwallBlade]

The post match problems on field were the result of p*ss poor planning by the Burnley safety team and Police. The tunnel area was an obvious risk and they had nothing in place to cover that.

Nothing, nothing will change until someone gets seriously hurt or worse.

Fines are pointless when money is no problem and when many clubs run at a huge loss every year, when most other businesses would go to the wall under similar financial profiles.

Stewarding, largely, is bang average or worse, country wide and we've all seen it.

The Blades coach scenes were preventable too.

However, our image in that respect doesn't help. We've cultivated and promoted an aggressive mentality that is also noted and, sadly, plays a part in the psychology of supporters. Ours and away fans. Absolutely not an excuse but a contributory factor.

Extremely accurate summary

 

[54yrblade]

Extremely accurate summary

Cheers!

 

[Crafty Blade]

Coming out the ground bang on the whistle, Burnley fans already outside, no interest in celebrating their promotion, just trying to provoke a reaction from blades. police doing fuck all until a few blades started wondering twards them and then they soon stepped in.

went on the train, changing at Leeds. platform full of Leeds and blades. no police about. at least one leeds fan got hit.

the train back to Sheffield also full of Leeds for the first few stops, no police.

annoying to have to suffer both Burnley and Leeds fans on Monday night.

 

[The Hobott]

I’ve read his autobiography and he comes across as a horrible narcissistic twat. At least the book has a happy ending when he loses most of his wealth.

I thought it was a great read. Hilarious in some places. He's a bit of a spiv who made a fortune and then spaffed almost all of it on owning the club he loves for no other reason than he wanted to.
In the book he points out that he's big pals with Warnock. I wonder if that has something to do with his dislike of us (as I've mentioned before on another thread).

 

[nopigfansintown]

You completely missed the point of my post. I wasn’t claiming to be making a factual assessment of the incident, I said that players should not get into fights with supporters who are giving them stick. As others have said, look at our club and ask yourself why this keeps happening. We have a confrontational, chippy manager who publicly takes the piss out of fellow managers and is happy to be seen pissed on social media, confronts opposition players on the pitch, rants publicly about referees not showing him respect and delights, seemingly in bringing it on at every opportunity. Sorry but don’t be surprised if that winds other clubs and their supporters up. I’m not defending the goons who were on the pitch but they represent an extreme of what is quite understandably, a general dislike of us. That has been cultivated by one person and he’s an embarrassment. For you to suggest that me presenting that hypothesis is lazy or ignorant rather misses the point

Most of that is inaccurate or at least hyperbolical.

Wilder is confrontational? Based on what? Five words with a Plymouth player.Do you even know what was said? I'd love to know so you can prove it was confrontational. The floor is yours. Do you have a long list of examples of him being confrontational. There must be numerous examples of him being confrontational for you to have posted that...

Players "shouldn't get into fight with supporters?" Any examples of that actually happening?
Players should protect themselves by any means necessary. A supporter heading on the pitch and confronting a player has to be seen as a massive danger. It's a potential Monica Seles situation. They need protecting and to protect themselves. There's no ambiguity here .

"Happy to be seen pissed on social media". Have you asked him that or have you just assumed? Rhetorical question.

Do you have many examples from Wilder's 1000 + game management career of another sausage Rohl incident or have you indulged in ye olde hyperbole again. One example will do.

It's you that's missed the point to score some cheap points on the internet. You've made a lot of lazy and ignorant claims with little to no supporting evidence.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Most of that is inaccurate or at least hyperbolical.

Wilder is confrontational? Based on what? Five words with a Plymouth player.Do you even know what was said? I'd love to know so you can prove it was confrontational. The floor is yours. Do you have a long list of examples of him being confrontational. There must be numerous examples of him being confrontational for you to have posted that...

Players "shouldn't get into fight with supporters?" Any examples of that actually happening?
Players should protect themselves by any means necessary. A supporter heading on the pitch and confronting a player has to be seen as a massive danger. It's a potential Monica Seles situation. They need protecting and to protect themselves. There's no ambiguity here .

"Happy to be seen pissed on social media". Have you asked him that or have you just assumed? Rhetorical question.

Do you have many examples from Wilder's 1000 + game management career of another sausage Rohl incident or have you indulged in ye olde hyperbole again. One example will do.

It's you that's missed the point to score some cheap points on the internet. You've made a lot of lazy and ignorant claims with little to no supporting evidence.

Good to see you again Chris

 

[Youngand70]

You do realise where the tunnel.is at Burnley. Watch back and you'll see that the fans that ran on all came from that end. Shocking more wasn't done to stop that after Forest, Everton, Port Vale etc recently.

I've been critical of some of our ill discipline but no player should be expected to take shit from fans in their faces as they leave the pitch.

Or Plymouth players from Wilder

 

[nopigfansintown]

Good to see you again Chris

Nice to see you too Danny...have a sausage roll. I see you couldn't provide any evidence for your various claims. It's lucky for for you that I'm not litigious. Your extremism would be pretty costly then. You'd have to prove these claims then you see. As it's I'm happy for you to make a fool of yourself on the internet.

 

[Davalon]

Or Plymouth players from Wilder

Possibly. Depends what he said. Although I agree ideally he should really have kept his mouth shut on both incidents there.

The issue for me this last year isn't one particular incident, apart from maybe the Sausage Rohl stuff which I didn't like tbh, it's been more cumulative.

He's given himself more coverage and got a bigger reputation from opposition fans. That isn't necessarily an issue if you're a person who can deal with that and maybe even thrive on it, but I'm yet to be convinced Chris is.

The bigger the outside noise, the bigger the risk you lose your focus.

 

[AWetFlannel]

What a soul destroying thread this is. There's some proper bollox being spouted, mainly from those blaming United's players. You really don't deserve a Forum as good as this one.

Some fans have such a desperation to attack our manager and captain that they'll embarrass themselves in this way until both are gone.

 

[loyalblade95]

Does the Blades Fan side of Chris Wilder override the professional manager side of him, sometimes yes, not as much as people are suggesting but it still happens sometimes.

Warnock was the same, so are some more high profile managers like Arteta, Mourinhio and Nigel Pearson, and like CW it's just part of who they are.

Do we have a discipline issue in the squad, yes, some of our players seem to be easily wound up and quick to retaliate (mainly Robbo, Anel, Souza and Hamer IMO, BBD more recently), the same small group are usually involved in most (if not all) of the fighting incidents we've had this season.

For all this talk about how the new owners will sack Wilder if we don't get promoted, there's a few things worth noting.

• we don't know anything about these new owners so we don't know what they will do.
• when they gave Wilder that new contract, they would have known there was a possibility that we could still be in the championship next season, and still chose to back him regardless.
• Wilder might not be the man that our new owners appointed, but that doesn't mean they won't stick with him and back him, especially after this season.

 

[LBA_Blade]

If anyone has any spare time rather than complaining about here you can complain directly. Sometimes I have too much time on my hands!

1) [email protected] for the Stewarding
2) [email protected] - Supporter Liaison officer

If they got 75 responses to what this post has generated they have to respond to each one individually and formally within 5 days which would keep them busy for a bit.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

This country is full of uneducated chavs and a lot of them go to football matches. Hence you get trouble at most games. It's a sad indictment of society but unfortunately will never change. Most kids don't read anymore. They wouldn't know a Shakespearean sonnet if they tripped over it. Bringing back grammar schools, regular nightly homework and national service would immediately reduce the idiotic behaviour at football matches but politicians like Starmer will never do that so we'll just have to put up with the mindless yobs ad infinitum.

We've not had national service since 1960, so that doesn't link to the new problems you are on about.
Also, when exactly was the era when kids did know about Shakespearian Sonnets??
Both my kids received a much better quality of education than I did, in the same schools. Not sure your logic is on firm ground here.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

This country is full of uneducated chavs and a lot of them go to football matches. Hence you get trouble at most games. It's a sad indictment of society but unfortunately will never change. Most kids don't read anymore. They wouldn't know a Shakespearean sonnet if they tripped over it. Bringing back grammar schools, regular nightly homework and national service would immediately reduce the idiotic behaviour at football matches but politicians like Starmer will never do that so we'll just have to put up with the mindless yobs ad infinitum.

Start a political movement to bring back all the things you mention?

 

[ormester]

Not sure what this means mate? I do apologise but I’m missing your point entirely?

Listen to the songs the fabs were signing about us for some reason they see us a enemy

 

[Jon Bon II]

I've emailed the EFL about the scenes at the end and about the players not being able to get off the coach because of the thugs. And I also said 'and while I'm here, anything happening with SWFC and flash-bang and bottle throwing at our players?'

You can call me all the names under the sun, I don't give a flying, I'm just so pissed off that it's only us that ever gets punished for stuff and other clubs seem to get away with it.

I'll let you know if I get a reply.

Well, it's been over a week now and I've heard zilch back from the EFL. The only reply I had was an automated one from the office of Lisa Nandy - I copied her in as well - suggesting that I re-direct my email to Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), which I did.

I would have hoped that the club would have had something to say to the authorities about this also, seeing as it directly impacted their main employees.

For clarity, here's the email that I sent, which I think is reasoned enough to warrant a reply, even if it's just 'F**k off you snivelling little Yorkshire pudding'.

Good morning

As a Sheffield United supporter, can I ask if any action will be taken against Burnley for the pitch invasion at the end of the EFL Championship fixture against Sheffield Untied at Turf Moor on Monday afternoon?

Burnley had just beaten the Blades to secure promotion to the Premier League but, instead of celebrating their achievement, fans swarmed onto the pitch from the tunnel corner, with the sole intention of getting into our players faces as they made their way to the tunnel, to goad them and film it on their phones, causing scuffles to break out between players and the illegal pitch trespassers. I'm under the assumption that it is still an offence for fans to enter the field of play, is it not?

The stewarding at this time was pathetic, with little or no effort being made to keep the fans in the stands and away from the Blades players. Likewise the incident before the game, when the Blades players were unable to exit their coach due to a seething mob of Burnley fans at the coach door, again filming on their phones and with minimal effort by stewards to get them away from the area to let the players alight. Why was this area not cordoned off to begin with? The lack of security could have resulted in players being physically attacked and I was absolutely appalled when I saw the footage.

If you need to see the footage of both incidents, there is plenty of video footage doing the rounds on social media and also from the Sky TV broadcast from the end of the game. Both instances were massive failures by Burnley FC and their matchday security partners and questions should be asked about why this was allowed to happen. You would have thought that lessons would have been learned after the pitch invasion by Nottingham Forest fans, following their play-off game against Sheffield United at The City Ground in 2022, when The Blades club captain was assaulted and knocked to the ground, but it seems not.

Also, is any action being taken against Sheffield Wednesday, after their fans threw a Flash-Bang stun grenade and glass bottles at celebrating Blades players after Rhian Brewster's goal at Hillsborough in March? Again, plenty of social media footage around that show these incidents but nothing appears to ever be done. I am sick to the back teeth of my club being on the receiving end of incidents like this. Incidents that could have resulted in serious injury to the club's players, and which, if left unchecked, may result in serious injury to players in the future. I would like to know what the EFL are proposing to do about the incidents at Turf Moor, what the EFL have done, or are proposing to do about the incidents at Hillsborough and what, if anything, the EFL are proposing to do to combat this type of behaviour going forward.

I have also copied The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Lisa Nandy, into this email and would like the thoughts of the Rt Hon member also.

I look forward to your replies in due course.

 

[chesblade]

Nothing will happen, they are promoted now. It's forest game allover again. Still nothing for pigs for throwing fireworks on pitch

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Well, it's been over a week now and I've heard zilch back from the EFL. The only reply I had was an automated one from the office of Lisa Nandy - I copied her in as well - suggesting that I re-direct my email to Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), which I did.

I would have hoped that the club would have had something to say to the authorities about this also, seeing as it directly impacted their main employees.

For clarity, here's the email that I sent, which I think is reasoned enough to warrant a reply, even if it's just 'F**k off you snivelling little Yorkshire pudding'.

Good morning

As a Sheffield United supporter, can I ask if any action will be taken against Burnley for the pitch invasion at the end of the EFL Championship fixture against Sheffield Untied at Turf Moor on Monday afternoon?

Burnley had just beaten the Blades to secure promotion to the Premier League but, instead of celebrating their achievement, fans swarmed onto the pitch from the tunnel corner, with the sole intention of getting into our players faces as they made their way to the tunnel, to goad them and film it on their phones, causing scuffles to break out between players and the illegal pitch trespassers. I'm under the assumption that it is still an offence for fans to enter the field of play, is it not?

The stewarding at this time was pathetic, with little or no effort being made to keep the fans in the stands and away from the Blades players. Likewise the incident before the game, when the Blades players were unable to exit their coach due to a seething mob of Burnley fans at the coach door, again filming on their phones and with minimal effort by stewards to get them away from the area to let the players alight. Why was this area not cordoned off to begin with? The lack of security could have resulted in players being physically attacked and I was absolutely appalled when I saw the footage.

If you need to see the footage of both incidents, there is plenty of video footage doing the rounds on social media and also from the Sky TV broadcast from the end of the game. Both instances were massive failures by Burnley FC and their matchday security partners and questions should be asked about why this was allowed to happen. You would have thought that lessons would have been learned after the pitch invasion by Nottingham Forest fans, following their play-off game against Sheffield United at The City Ground in 2022, when The Blades club captain was assaulted and knocked to the ground, but it seems not.

Also, is any action being taken against Sheffield Wednesday, after their fans threw a Flash-Bang stun grenade and glass bottles at celebrating Blades players after Rhian Brewster's goal at Hillsborough in March? Again, plenty of social media footage around that show these incidents but nothing appears to ever be done. I am sick to the back teeth of my club being on the receiving end of incidents like this. Incidents that could have resulted in serious injury to the club's players, and which, if left unchecked, may result in serious injury to players in the future. I would like to know what the EFL are proposing to do about the incidents at Turf Moor, what the EFL have done, or are proposing to do about the incidents at Hillsborough and what, if anything, the EFL are proposing to do to combat this type of behaviour going forward.

I have also copied The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Lisa Nandy, into this email and would like the thoughts of the Rt Hon member also.

I look forward to your replies in due course.

If it's any consolation Jon Bon I for one have never thought of you as "little."

 

[finlaytheblade]

If it's any consolation Jon Bon I for one have never thought of you as "little."

Don't let it die ! we have been on the receiving end again .About time justice was served !.

 

[raul]

Don't let it die ! we have been on the receiving end again .About time justice was served !.

Quite a while since we had a Hurricane Smith reference.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Quite a while since we had a Hurricane Smith reference.

Or perhaps even ever?!

 

[G.H. Lawrence]

Well, it's been over a week now and I've heard zilch back from the EFL. The only reply I had was an automated one from the office of Lisa Nandy - I copied her in as well - suggesting that I re-direct my email to Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), which I did.

I would have hoped that the club would have had something to say to the authorities about this also, seeing as it directly impacted their main employees.

For clarity, here's the email that I sent, which I think is reasoned enough to warrant a reply, even if it's just 'F**k off you snivelling little Yorkshire pudding'.

Good morning

As a Sheffield United supporter, can I ask if any action will be taken against Burnley for the pitch invasion at the end of the EFL Championship fixture against Sheffield Untied at Turf Moor on Monday afternoon?

Burnley had just beaten the Blades to secure promotion to the Premier League but, instead of celebrating their achievement, fans swarmed onto the pitch from the tunnel corner, with the sole intention of getting into our players faces as they made their way to the tunnel, to goad them and film it on their phones, causing scuffles to break out between players and the illegal pitch trespassers. I'm under the assumption that it is still an offence for fans to enter the field of play, is it not?

The stewarding at this time was pathetic, with little or no effort being made to keep the fans in the stands and away from the Blades players. Likewise the incident before the game, when the Blades players were unable to exit their coach due to a seething mob of Burnley fans at the coach door, again filming on their phones and with minimal effort by stewards to get them away from the area to let the players alight. Why was this area not cordoned off to begin with? The lack of security could have resulted in players being physically attacked and I was absolutely appalled when I saw the footage.

If you need to see the footage of both incidents, there is plenty of video footage doing the rounds on social media and also from the Sky TV broadcast from the end of the game. Both instances were massive failures by Burnley FC and their matchday security partners and questions should be asked about why this was allowed to happen. You would have thought that lessons would have been learned after the pitch invasion by Nottingham Forest fans, following their play-off game against Sheffield United at The City Ground in 2022, when The Blades club captain was assaulted and knocked to the ground, but it seems not.

Also, is any action being taken against Sheffield Wednesday, after their fans threw a Flash-Bang stun grenade and glass bottles at celebrating Blades players after Rhian Brewster's goal at Hillsborough in March? Again, plenty of social media footage around that show these incidents but nothing appears to ever be done. I am sick to the back teeth of my club being on the receiving end of incidents like this. Incidents that could have resulted in serious injury to the club's players, and which, if left unchecked, may result in serious injury to players in the future. I would like to know what the EFL are proposing to do about the incidents at Turf Moor, what the EFL have done, or are proposing to do about the incidents at Hillsborough and what, if anything, the EFL are proposing to do to combat this type of behaviour going forward.

I have also copied The Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Lisa Nandy, into this email and would like the thoughts of the Rt Hon member also.

I look forward to your replies in due course.

Hi BJII,
AS its been a week, without reply, why don't you forward your email again, to all copied in previously, including the DCMS, asking politely for a reply to your previous email. this will highlight to all that you have not received a reply to a legitimate concern. Like you said, even something dismissive would be a start!?!

 

[Jon Bon II]

Hi BJII,
AS its been a week, without reply, why don't you forward your email again, to all copied in previously, including the DCMS, asking politely for a reply to your previous email. this will highlight to all that you have not received a reply to a legitimate concern. Like you said, even something dismissive would be a start!?!

Seems like a plan. Will do.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Speak of the devil and 'they' will appear. Had a pithy reply from the EFL, as follows...


Thank you for your e-mail, we appreciate you getting in touch.

Generally speaking, matters relating to in-stadia safety, security and crowd disorder are primarily the responsibility of the home Club. This could be at the time by way of a stewarding response, or post-match should any matter be brought to the home Club’s attention or be reviewed as part of an investigation. Ultimately, any matter related to disorder could also fall under the jurisdiction of the local Police and/or The Football Association (FA), with the FA governance department tasked with investigating potential crowd matters and sanctioning Clubs as they see appropriate.

Clubs being investigated/charged for pitch invasions is at the discretion of the FA, and we can confirm that both incidents you refer to below are subject to an ongoing FA investigation. If you wish to take up this matter with the FA, you can contact them via their site HERE.

Thank you for contacting the EFL.

Not sure if the last paragraph refers to both incidents at Burnley or Burnley and Hillsborough? Anyway, I shall in due course be forwarding my comments to the FA also. Would be incongruous to stop here.