British & Irish Managers Vs Foreign Managers

[SwissBlade]

Wilson is foreign. I thought there was something odd about how he talked but I assumed it was because he's from Lancashire.

Over the water...

 

[SwissBlade]

I don't think anyone actually believes that a track record is a guarantee of success.

I've found that looking at someone's CV is an important part of recruitment but as I've got it badly wrong in the past and employed a massive fuckwit I accept there are flaws in my approach.

How would you recruit a manager?

I'd ask Bergen Blade

 

[Cyprus Blade]

How would you recruit a manager?

Am tempted to say Runic Divination or Astrology is likely to be as good as anything else - however I have discovered the McCabe secret method of assessing a Manager -

Now lad - how many of these will you need?

 

[BushBlade]

Am tempted to say Runic Divination or Astrology is likely to be as good as anything else - however I have discovered the McCabe secret method of assessing a Manager -

Now lad - how many of these will you need?

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I doubt it's that scientific.

And I want a bag of peanuts now.

 

[shorehamview]

I do object to the likes of Remi Garde being appointed though, hadn't earned it.

Apart from the eleven years coaching at Lyon, three of them as manager, he's done fuck all to earn a job in England.

 

[BushBlade]

Apart from the eleven years coaching at Lyon, three of them as manager, he's done fuck all to earn a job in England.

Not enough for the PL. ligue un isn't that great a standard. I appreciate he's done well there and he's more experienced than his predecessor but I'd argue someone like Sean Dyche has achieved more.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The CVs I looked at weren't just qualifications though, it was experience.

It isn't ridiculous to assume that someone who's successfully done a similar job before is more likely to succeed than someone who's never done it. Despite the fact most of us can tell a story of how that was proved to be untrue.

I wouldn't trust my guts, they're a bit dodgy.

Surprised McCabe never fully listened to his professional advisers. If he did the CV , experience would also include the pyhscometric chart test. Gut instinct does work even with dodgy guts .Shit is shit in any walk of life.

UTB

 

[Hunkerby]

I don't think anyone actually believes that a track record is a guarantee of success.

I've found that looking at someone's CV is an important part of recruitment but as I've got it badly wrong in the past and employed a massive fuckwit I accept there are flaws in my approach.

How would you recruit a manager?

Although I agree a track record is not a guarantee of success it's probably the best indicator we have.
If you look at SwissBlade's list and filter them by managers who have had 2 promotions with the same club you get:

Bassett – English – Success
Warnock – Sheffield – Success
Robson – English – Failed
Adkins – English – ???

Bassett took Wimbledon from the 4th division to the old first division.
Warnock led Notts County from the 3rd division to the old first division.
Robson - promoted twice to the Premiership with Middlesbrough.
Adkins led Southampton from the 3rd tier to the Premiership.

 

[BushBlade]

Although I agree a track record is not a guarantee of success it's probably the best indicator we have.
If you look at SwissBlade's list and filter them by managers who have had 2 promotions with the same club you get:

Bassett – English – Success
Warnock – Sheffield – Success
Robson – English – Failed
Adkins – English – ???

Bassett took Wimbledon from the 4th division to the old first division.
Warnock led Notts County from the 3rd division to the old first division.
Robson - promoted twice to the Premiership with Middlesbrough.
Adkins led Southampton from the 3rd tier to the Premiership.

True but Robson only got boro up twice because he got them relegated.

 

[Hunkerby]

True but Robson only got boro up twice because he got them relegated.

Agreed - I could easily have found a way to filter him out but I but did not want to complicate my post.

The system also failed us with Jimmy Sirrel who also achieved multiple promotions with Notts County.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Article by Biggs in the Stir - http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/shef...des-as-manchester-unied-clash-looms-1-7658981

In it Biggs asserts "I wonder if Blades have caught on to a drift in the fundamentals of professional football that sees a manager (or coach) put in front of an existing structure rather than being charged with creating it. In United’s case you could argue there isn’t one, a structure that is."

Strikes me that many of our Managers (Robson excepted) have inherited structural situations that may well have determined the success/failure of their tenancy, as has Adkins. Cost-cutting has undermined many of our managers attempts to build a successful side, as has inadequate squad building /squad suitability by their predecessor, having to sell before they can buy and having players sold from under them. They don't start with a clean sheet and most with more negatives than positives. Seems to me at SUFC the more successful managers have been the ones with an eye for a player who is relatively inexpensive (the scouting structure has always seemed to rely on the Manager's contacts), had some tactical nouse and who could carry the dressing room (Harris/Bassett/Warnock).