British & Irish Managers Vs Foreign Managers

[idleurchin]

With foreign managers now getting jobs in the Championship is it time that ALL clubs looked beyond these shores when it comes to picking their next gaffer?

Does experience in English football matter more than someone's technical ability to coach/manage?

 

[sitwell]

Maybe its me being a bit parochial ,but I would prefer us to have a British manager ,and British players for that matter. The foreign invasion of the game has diluted the interest to a massive extent for me ,you can now see a premier league team play a French team and the prem team have more French players. I preferred it when football was a game between 2 clashes of styles and cultures. I wish they had stuck with the 3 foreigners rule ,not only for the previous reasons but there are less openings for British players. I very rarely watch Champions league or premiership football anymore and couldn't name the line up of any premiership team anymore ,I think it has lost its identity and wouldn't want that happening with Utd. I would rather see Louis Reed and Che Adams than some of the no marks the pigs have picked up. Just my opinion but not for me.

 

[idleurchin]

Completely understand your point Sitwell but would it matter where they were from if they were successful?

 

[Bert]

With foreign managers now getting jobs in the Championship is it time that ALL clubs looked beyond these shores when it comes to picking their next gaffer?

Does experience in English football matter more than someone's technical ability to coach/manage?

Dear oh dear, the thread police will be along any moment.

 

[idleurchin]

Why bert?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Why bert?

Because everything must be in its right section or people start to cry.

 

[vorpal blade]

Almost by definition, foreign managers in England will be well educated in at least one foreign language.

I suppose therefore that their brains will be that much better functioning than British managers who do not have a foreign language.

 

[sitwell]

Completely understand your point Sitwell but would it matter where they were from if they were successful?

Success doesn't come at any cost for me ,I would prefer to go to Spain or Portugal to watch Spanish or Portuguese managers work. There are plenty of good managers in this country who don't get the chance in favour of the cheap (or expensive) option. There seems to be a closed shop of around a dozen managers at the top level who seem to swap jobs on a regular basis for millions of pounds. I would love to see a good British manager become really succesful

 

[Jehovah]

With foreign managers now getting jobs in the Championship is it time that ALL clubs looked beyond these shores when it comes to picking their next gaffer?

Does experience in English football matter more than someone's technical ability to coach/manage?

My wife has just left with the kids. I broke my leg this morning playing football and am due in court later for 4 murders I didn't commit. Putting all that aside, I was in reasonably good spirits.......then I saw this thread in the wrong section. You've ruined my day

 

[BushBlade]

Why bert?

Probably should be in the other football forum but if you turn it round and say 'would you want a foreign manager at the Lane?' it would be more on topic.
I want the best we can get and if that happened to be a foreign manager, so be it. However, it's unlikely that any foreign manager we could get (as in not worked in England before) could do a better job than a manager who's worked in England and knows the leagues and the players. I think it can work well at the top level and it's starting to work in the championship but it's partly fashion.
Would I rather have Bruce or McCarthy over the Porkuguese bloke? Absolutely.

 

[BushBlade]

Success doesn't come at any cost for me ,I would prefer to go to Spain or Portugal to watch Spanish or Portuguese managers work. There are plenty of good managers in this country who don't get the chance in favour of the cheap (or expensive) option. There seems to be a closed shop of around a dozen managers at the top level who seem to swap jobs on a regular basis for millions of pounds. I would love to see a good British manager become really succesful

I'd like to see an English manager be successful but couldn't give a shit about British.
I get fed up of the likes of Allardyce moaning that he can't get a top job. There's a simple answer; win something or play attractive football, ideally both.
The best managers are prepared to work all over Europe to improve their ability and reputation, until English managers are prepared to do the same they won't be successful. Do they really think they can compete for top jobs against managers who've won trophies when all they've done is get a club promoted and maybe kept them in the PL for a couple of seasons?
You've got Ancelloti, Guardiola and Mourinho looking for jobs but people say 'why don't Man U look at Pardew?' Shouldn't even be a question.

 

[sitwell]

I'd like to see an English manager be successful but couldn't give a shit about British.
I get fed up of the likes of Allardyce moaning that he can't get a top job. There's a simple answer; win something or play attractive football, ideally both.
The best managers are prepared to work all over Europe to improve their ability and reputation, until English managers are prepared to do the same they won't be successful. Do they really think they can compete for top jobs against managers who've won trophies when all they've done is get a club promoted and maybe kept them in the PL for a couple of seasons?
You've got Ancelloti, Guardiola and Mourinho looking for jobs but people say 'why don't Man U look at Pardew?' Shouldn't even be a question.

But Pardew and Allardyce haven't had the resources that these other guys have ,not in the same ballpark. Someone needs to have some bottle at the top clubs and try it ,apart from Arsenal they have all joined the management merry go round of one of the top names for a season along with the big European clubs. I know Moyes was given a chance and failed but so have another 20-30 foreigners in the same time.
Btw Bush 'Porkeguese' quality

 

[coaxingstar71]

With foreign managers now getting jobs in the Championship is it time that ALL clubs looked beyond these shores when it comes to picking their next gaffer?

Does experience in English football matter more than someone's technical ability to coach/manage?

I would hope that any club would choose their managers (and the rest of the staff) for that matter on merit, much the same as if I went for a job interview. I realise of course that this doesn't necessarily happen in the real world.

It's fair to say that not all foreign managers have been succesful in England and some have been disastrous - Christian Gross anyone?
If the Blades were looking for a new manager again then I hope they wouldn't rule out a foreign appointment simply because they are foreign. There are now also many foreign players who have played in the English leagues for as long as English players, Roberto Martinez being an example, so we shouldn't rule them out on the basis 'they are foreign'.

We all had a laugh at the appointment of a 'no mark Porkuguese (like that) manager' at Swillsboro' but grudgingly, he ain't doing too bad is he?

One of the advantages of a foreign manager is that theoretically they bring with them a knowledge of potential foreign signings that their English counterparts would probably not consider. I for one would be delighted if we unearthed some gem currently playing in the lower leagues abroad.

 

[sitwell]

I just look at Ricardo Moniz to see how disastrous an experiment it can be.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Don't really care where the manager comes from to be honest. On paper, we couldn't have done better than Adkins at home or abroad and results have still not been what we would have hoped. I hope we give him the time and backing to be successful.

Nationality just isn't a relevant criteria for me when considering a manager. If he can speak the lingo, being foreign shouldn't make him any less capable than an Englishman.

But, on the flip side, there is the national game to consider and the flooding of foreign imports restricting opportunities for home grown talent both in terms of players and managers. My answer would be to look abroad for opportunities like the foreign imports have.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

If they weren't born within shitting distance from Bramall Lane then quite frankly i don't want them anywhere near the place. I'm merely tolerating Adkins' presence.

 

[jt64]

I just want the best person for the job wherever they come from. Unfortunately that usually means abroad due to decades of piss poor coach training in the UK

 

[BushBlade]

But Pardew and Allardyce haven't had the resources that these other guys have ,not in the same ballpark. Someone needs to have some bottle at the top clubs and try it ,apart from Arsenal they have all joined the management merry go round of one of the top names for a season along with the big European clubs. I know Moyes was given a chance and failed but so have another 20-30 foreigners in the same time.
Btw Bush 'Porkeguese' quality

Mourinho didn't have massive resources when he won the CL with Porto. Nor did Fergie at Aberdeen. Nor did Simeone when he won La Liga with Athletico.
That's what sets them apart. Only a few get it handed to them on a plate like Pep or Zidane and if they're no good they soon get found out.

I do object to the likes of Remi Garde being appointed though, hadn't earned it.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Interesting how the foreign coach template is spreading down throughout the championship these days (but, as said above, seemingly more out of fashion than in genuine expectation of success - Brentford? Charlton?). Yet to really take hold in divisions 3 & 4, but it will come I'm sure of it.

It's the likes of Clement at Derby that interest me - genuinely skilled coaches who have had the courage to have dipped their toes in foreign football. Really hope the Nevilles experiment at Valencia comes off now - it could be really big as a bridgehead for English coaches on the continent in future.

Of course, we had Blackie - with his various information gathering trips to numerous foreign football locations before he came back here to manage. A pioneer in a way. But it hardly turned him into a sophisticated continental coach.

 

[BushBlade]

I just look at Ricardo Moniz to see how disastrous an experiment it can be.

Tbf, Notts County are just a disastrous experiment but I agree. He added nothing an English manager couldn't. Same with that Guy Loozer at Charlton and several others.

 

[SwissBlade]

A successful manager will be successful wherever he goes, right? Perhaps in other industries but football and sport are certainly unique when you consider that most clubs are a side business/ vanity project for their owners.

Theoretically you want a manager with great experience for the clubs situation, but that also doesn't always work.

As for foreign managers, if they're untried in English football then you'd say it's a gamble.

That said, lots of managers doing well in the upper two divisions with foreigners at the helm

If we had a foreign manager they'd be crap... Just like the British ones!

 

[BushBlade]

A successful manager will be successful wherever he goes, right? Perhaps in other industries but football and sport are certainly unique when you consider that most clubs are a side business/ vanity project for their owners.

Theoretically you want a manager with great experience for the clubs situation, but that also doesn't always work.

As for foreign managers, if they're untried in English football then you'd say it's a gamble.

That said, lots of managers doing well in the upper two divisions with foreigners at the helm

If we had a foreign manager they'd be crap... Just like the British ones!

Who says a successful manager will be successful wherever he goes?

 

[Pierre's PC]

If they weren't born within shitting distance from Bramall Lane then quite frankly i don't want them anywhere near the place. I'm merely tolerating Adkins' presence.

That's more open minded than some.

 

[SwissBlade]

Who says a successful manager will be successful wherever he goes?

Certainly not me, its a general perception, particularly on here that manager X will do well as he did it before.

We've seen it tonnes of times on here that we should get managers on the basis of track record (experience)

 

[SwissBlade]

Quick Analysis - Manager Records, Success based on whether they achieved promotion to Top Division or won the FA or League Cup during their tenure at United.

Bassett – English – Success
Kendall – English – Failed
Spackman – English – Failed
Bruce – English – Failed
Heath – English – Failed
Warnock – Sheffield – Success
Robson – English – Failed
Blackwell – English – Failed
Speed – Foreign – Failed
Adams – Sheffield – Failed
Wilson – Foreign – Failed
Weir – English – Failed
Clough – English – Failed
Adkins – English – ???

Conclusion - Doesn't matter where they're from, people from everywhere can fuck up managing Sheff Utd

 

[BushBlade]

Certainly not me, its a general perception, particularly on here that manager X will do well as he did it before.

We've seen it tonnes of times on here that we should get managers on the basis of track record (experience)

I don't think anyone actually believes that a track record is a guarantee of success.

I've found that looking at someone's CV is an important part of recruitment but as I've got it badly wrong in the past and employed a massive fuckwit I accept there are flaws in my approach.

How would you recruit a manager?

 

[BushBlade]

Quick Analysis - Manager Records, Success based on whether they achieved promotion to Top Division or won the FA or League Cup during their tenure at United.

Bassett – English – Success
Kendall – English – Failed
Spackman – English – Failed
Bruce – English – Failed
Heath – English – Failed
Warnock – Sheffield – Success
Robson – English – Failed
Blackwell – English – Failed
Speed – Foreign – Failed
Adams – Sheffield – Failed
Wilson – Foreign – Failed
Weir – English – Failed
Clough – English – Failed
Adkins – English – ???

Conclusion - Doesn't matter where they're from, people from everywhere can fuck up managing Sheff Utd

Wilson is foreign. I thought there was something odd about how he talked but I assumed it was because he's from Lancashire.

 

[sitwell]

I don't think anyone actually believes that a track record is a guarantee of success.

I've found that looking at someone's CV is an important part of recruitment but as I've got it badly wrong in the past and employed a massive fuckwit I accept there are flaws in my approach.

How would you recruit a manager?

Gut instinct is the only way ,qualifications mean jack shit if you don't have the attributes for certain job at a certain time.
I too have been badly stung before.

 

[BushBlade]

Gut instinct is the only way ,qualifications mean jack shit if you don't have the attributes for certain job at a certain time.
I too have been badly stung before.

The CVs I looked at weren't just qualifications though, it was experience.

It isn't ridiculous to assume that someone who's successfully done a similar job before is more likely to succeed than someone who's never done it. Despite the fact most of us can tell a story of how that was proved to be untrue.

I wouldn't trust my guts, they're a bit dodgy.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

If they weren't born within shitting distance from Bramall Lane then quite frankly i don't want them anywhere near the place. I'm merely tolerating Adkins' presence.

You'd be amazed how far a good curry can reach.