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Tezza1889 said:
I'll tell you what doesn't make sense mate, and stick with me here because you won't know too much about our recent history with managers...

Pretty much universally Adkins was the chosen manager for us as fans, we got our man, one we actually wanted and yes I was in that car park when they set piggy Wilson on so I know how disappointed we are as a group of fans that mr Adkins isn't smashing this league a new one, so, we move on..

However, all I ever see from you is a desire to see him fired, a sacking that would put us back ages and ages, we as a club need to build, actually build a team, a team of experience, youth and skill, a team capable of rolling thier sleeves up and doing the dirty stuff as well as knocking it about, that isn't done overnight, so we need to invest time in a proven manager, Nigel Adkins is his name, just in case you didn't know...

We have lurched between bad decision to worse decisions, to the downright stupid, pulling the rugs from under assorted managers for a few quid, our board are the reason we are stuck in league one, we're here because we sell at the first offer, naughton, walker, jags, Blackman, macdonald, maguire, Murphy, and the list goes on and on of players trading at higher levels that we sold for buttons, a couple of em played for England as well, try to keep up here...quality sold, lesser players brought in and we have fans who wonder why we are not progressing..

We need stability more in our existence than ever before, and your relentless, boring piggy agenda to set us even further back by trying to oust our new manager is so ridiculous it's brilliant, because you appear to have a few on the hook....

Not me btw, you're a pig on the wind up, all the bluffing, flouncing off, bottling an invite to have a chat after giving it the big un, you "sold" an imaginary season ticket because at some point somebody would have asked you a question about the game, you wouldn't be able to answer and that would be cover blown...

At this time, you're doing exactly what a Wendy would do, and that's try to scupper our rebuilding with the right manager.... Think on, oh UTBFTP..

You never finish with that do you....hmmmmmmm..?
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You obviously haven't been reading this forum long.

I have displayed, on numerous occasions, very accurate observations of many of the games.

How intellectually lacking do you have to be to relate a difference of opinion to support for a rival?

I'd rather not continue any more with this reply, you might have trouble understanding.
 



alcoblade said:
We've won about 3 in the last 12 games. Consistency of team selection can sometimes be overrated. :)
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Yeah, true - it does depend on who the players are who are consistently getting picked tbf! :D

In saying that, I've just listened to Adko's interview with Giddings &, by the sound of it, that seems to have been the first time he's picked the same starting eleven in consecutive games. Hope he just sticks with them now (even if it's not my preferred choice/formation) - they need to get those partnerships & understandings sorted, & to build up mutual trust.

See that he gave high praise to Hammond again. This is where managers earn their corn, I suppose - Adkins trusts Hammond to do a job (damned though I can see what it is though tbh) &, even if Hammond's role/performance is unappreciated, so long as results improve then Adkins'll be justified. Got to trust him.
 
Tesla another issue which you might not be aware about is contract negotiation.

I'll give you an example what happended to Jagielka.
Jags wanted to stay with us but obviously wanted to stay in the PL.

Don't know the exact numbers but let's say
Jags could have have got £35K a week elsewhere but SU took a financial risk and paid him £25K but the agent put a money making clause in his contract. Jags was worried about his career going downhill if we were relegated so we promised to sell him to any club for the paltry fee of 4 million.

Everton got themselves a bargain so would have been able to easily afford to pay Jags £40K a week.
So as daft as it sounds Jags was quids in when we were relegated and couldn't lose, hence he signs a contract.

Kevin Macdonald had a similar clause.
Basically the players have all the power and get get big money at many clubs.
Harry Maguire was far too good for league 1 and it would have been cruel and shown us in a bad light amongst other players to keep him against his will.

So should SU be run like Portsmouth and paying out stupid wages for average players?
I understand we are giving Collins well above league 1 money.
I think we need to start paying realistic wages and not being held to ransom by agents.
 
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barnyblade said:
You obviously haven't been reading this forum long.

I have displayed, on numerous occasions, very accurate observations of many of the games.

How intellectually lacking do you have to be to relate a difference of opinion to support for a rival?

I'd rather not continue any more with this reply, you might have trouble understanding.
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I don't understand what he might have trouble understanding?
 
Do you understand Mandarin Chinese?

Do you understand the complexities of Putin launching a ground attack on ISIS

Do you understand football?
 
Sheffsteel said:
Texas, not sure if you know how football works.

Any players that perform well in league 1 will be sold.
However it's vital that the club gets a good deal.

Hence why we've given Adams a contract extension.
So I would want at least 3 million for Adams.

Even Liverpool are forced to sell their best players too.
Raheem Sterling wanted to go to a an City for massive wages.
Liverpool didn't want to sell but of course they were forced to let the player go in the end.
Man Utd didn't want to sell their best player Ronaldo but had no choice.

Sheff Utd are no different to Liverpool and Man Utd.
All 3 are selling clubs when a bigger fish comes along. It's economics.

Actually if we are selling our best players then it means they must be playing really well.
The alternative is for all our players (including Adams) to have poor season then we'll be able to keep them all
because no one will want them.
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Absolutely Sheff.

We are a selling club and we are not alone in that, if people use that as a stick they either don't understand or are shit stirring.

The buying bit is the bit we should be doing better at. We don't always get it wrong but we should be doing much better.
 
Clough vs Adkins vs Deane vs Morgan vs Mourinho.
It makes little difference who the manager is when the club is badly run.
Spend more on scouting - get young and hungry quality players into the squad - it's the only way forward.
 
Hunkerby said:
Clough vs Adkins vs Deane vs Morgan vs Mourinho.
It makes little difference who the manager is when the club is badly run.
Spend more on scouting - get young and hungry quality players into the squad - it's the only way forward.
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Where from? Who? It sounds easy but my guess is that it's far from that.
 
Sheffield United are a poisoned chalice - the lower leagues Newcastle United. Whoever manages us will struggle for a host of reasons. Size of club, Board demands, Fan demands etc.
 
SwissBlade said:
No. Completely serious. We have to break the cycle of sacking managers, but we also have to make sure the next manager knows what he's doing. Clough proved that.
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I don't want Clough back but I'm certain that no outfield players would be wearing gloves yesterday had he been in charge.

Surely Adkins knows that the fans are questioning the teams individual endeavour, so why would he let them do it.
Unfortunately, I can imagine Adkins saying 'Come on lads get your gloves on, it's bitter out there' in fact I wouldnt be surprised to find out he'd fucking knitted them :(
 
Here we go again, becuase he is a ex-Blade he therefore must manage our club. Worked well for Mickey Adams.
 
Bladesway said:
Where from? Who? It sounds easy but my guess is that it's far from that.
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Not eay, agreed. But there was, for example, talk of is going for Morsey at Chesterfield and falling short financially. We then sign Hammond. I think we will have paid out far more money for a player who we weren't sure would deliver at this level, and early signs aren't good.

Over the years our purchasing has been dreadful. It surely is an area we can improve enormously on.

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alcoblade said:
Not eay, agreed. But there was, for example, talk of is going for Morsey at Chesterfield and falling short financially. We then sign Hammond. I think we will have paid out far more money for a player who we weren't sure would deliver at this level, and early signs aren't good.

Over the years our purchasing has been dreadful. It surely is an area we can improve enormously on.

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Eay for you to say :) We have managed to make buying good players look terrible, but I blame lack of continuity of managers as much as anything for that.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Texas, not sure if you know how football works.

Any players that perform well in league 1 will be sold.
However it's vital that the club gets a good deal.

Hence why we've given Adams a contract extension.
So I would want at least 3 million for Adams.

Even Liverpool are forced to sell their best players too.
Raheem Sterling wanted to go to a an City for massive wages.
Liverpool didn't want to sell but of course they were forced to let the player go in the end.
Man Utd didn't want to sell their best player Ronaldo but had no choice.

Sheff Utd are no different to Liverpool and Man Utd.
All 3 are selling clubs when a bigger fish comes along. It's economics.

Actually if we are selling our best players then it means they must be playing really well.
The alternative is for all our players (including Adams) to have poor season then we'll be able to keep them all
because no one will want them.
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Alternatively you can choose not to sell like Everton have with John stones, not sure you know what a decent boardroom is pal, and don't call me Texas..
 
barnyblade said:
You obviously haven't been reading this forum long.

I have displayed, on numerous occasions, very accurate observations of many of the games.

How intellectually lacking do you have to be to relate a difference of opinion to support for a rival?

I'd rather not continue any more with this reply, you might have trouble understanding.
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You can't reply because it's all about United, who you don't support. Thick pig
 
Sheffsteel said:
Tesla another issue which you might not be aware about is contract negotiation.

I'll give you an example what happended to Jagielka.
Jags wanted to stay with us but obviously wanted to stay in the PL.

Don't know the exact numbers but let's say
Jags could have have got £35K a week elsewhere but SU took a financial risk and paid him £25K but the agent put a money making clause in his contract. Jags was worried about his career going downhill if we were relegated so we promised to sell him to any club for the paltry fee of 4 million.

Everton got themselves a bargain so would have been able to easily afford to pay Jags £40K a week.
So as daft as it sounds Jags was quids in when we were relegated and couldn't lose, hence he signs a contract.

Kevin Macdonald had a similar clause.
Basically the players have all the power and get get big money at many clubs.
Harry Maguire was far too good for league 1 and it would have been cruel and shown us in a bad light amongst other players to keep him against his will.

So should SU be run like Portsmouth and paying out stupid wages for average players?
I understand we are giving Collins well above league 1 money.
I think we need to start paying realistic wages and not being held to ransom by agents.
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All I've said is that a club which sells its best players routinely and at the first offer will be a club that fails, tesla, Texas, call me what you want mate, but don't call me deluded because I can see the problem and most of us can, it's called quality, we don't have any on the pitch, I used to think quality was being able to pass, score or put a decent challenge in, it's not just that, it's an attitude to go out and give it everything every game, come off the pitch and know you've done everything you could to the very best of your ability, think of Ian Bryson here, anyway, what the fuck do I know eh....
 
Tezza1889 said:
At least you're not denying it now...
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I've done quite a lot of denying of that accusation actually.

It's got that boring I really don't see the point.

Since I'm engaging with someone of the intellectual level of a plank of wood, I won't be wasting any more of my time replying to you.
 
UTB

That's what you type at the end of your posting mate...

Oh hang on a minute, you've never posted anything remotely positive about United have you we all know why, games up.. Porky chops...
 
Anyone else getting fed up with every thread getting into a Barney v all fest to the point nothing constructive gets talked about or if it is you have lost the will to live by the time you've got through the dross. I want to talk and read about Sheffield United. My take is that, whatever his views and motivation are, Barney is entitled to them as is everyone else (including their view of Barney). There is the ignore function as has been said, you can also skip past any post written by or referring to Barney if you don't want to do that.

Genuine question to Barney - and this will be my one and only direct reference/question to you so feel free to malign, castigate, avoid, ridicule it/me if you choose to but it is a genuine question - "What and when was your last genuine positive experience of Sheffield United Football Club and if you are so fed up with the club why do you still bother to put the time and energy you so obviously do into your voluminous number of posts on here?".
 
Tezza1889 said:
Alternatively you can choose not to sell like Everton have with John stones, not sure you know what a decent boardroom is pal, and don't call me Texas..
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Stones is a person, not a commodity. How much of Everton's decision was down to Stones saying 'OK, I'll sign a new contract here because I'm not that bothered about Chelsea, I won't be first choice and Mourinho won't like me carrying the ball out from the back. I'll stay for another season, play in the Euros and hope I get a move to a club that plays attractive football and gets the best out of me'?
Do you think they just forced him against his will to stay?
 
..................I didn't quite think that he would be in line for the role quite so quickly!

Something is seriously wrong at BL, seriously wrong, & I cannot see any quick fixes. When we ship out players & they start scoring and/or playing well then there has to be something wrong here. I do not think that our players are that poor, not for L1, but they are just not getting it together & we are not getting that bit of luck, hitting the post, opposition long shots going in, that would help out.

Sorting this out is what NA is getting his money for & at the moment he is doing a v poor job. But as the options are possibly even worse I think we stick with him & give at least the season. Yet his signings have not been exactly stellar!

As a Sunderland fan said yesterday, 'I wish I did not support them but I do.!
 



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