Bottom 6 taking shape

[steve26272]

Newcastle have played 4 of last seasons top 7, (lost to 3 of this & last seasons top 6), generally their record against teams below that is scary. West Ham didn’t struggle at all against Luton… and they just won a European trophy. And if we’re shipping goals to Everton, a team that hadn’t even scored yet in the league, then where has this confidence we can take something from Arsenal or Man Utd come from? Bar the close scoreline we were played off the park against Palace and threw away a point or 3 against Forest who barely looked arsed. It’s a shit start to the season that looks like it’s going to rumble on for a fair few more games considering the opposition. The defence needs a rocket up the arse for a start.

What was your prediction going into these games a few years ago?



Point been, we can, and will throw up a few shocks - teams have off days, we have days on it, things will go our way

Forest could easily have been a point
Man City likewise
Everton were a Pickford worldie from been 3 points

I agree we have tough games, but thats what all the effort was for last season

Got to go with a positive can do attitude

We cant win a game before it kicks off
But we can lose it, if we dont believe

 

[true99blade]

What was your prediction going into these games a few years ago?

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Point been, we can, and will throw up a few shocks - teams have off days, we have days on it, things will go our way

Forest could easily have been a point
Man City likewise
Everton were a Pickford worldie from been 3 points

I agree we have tough games, but thats what all the effort was for last season

Got to go with a positive can do attitude

We cant win a game before it kicks off
But we can lose it, if we dont believe

That seasons team and this seasons team are quite a distance apart it’s fair to say. Compare it with the start we made in 20/21 against more ‘favourable teams’ in Wolves, Villa, Leeds, Fulham. We got a point from those 4 (and one of the worst Arsenal teams for decades) and proceeded to play teams up at the top for the next few. If we can’t gather up points during a ‘favourable’ start to the season then we’ve seen what can happen.

 

[steve26272]

That seasons team and this seasons team are quite a distance apart it’s fair to say. Compare it with the start we made in 20/21 against more ‘favourable teams’ in Wolves, Villa, Leeds, Fulham. We got a point from those 4 (and one of the worst Arsenal teams for decades) and proceeded to play teams up at the top for the next few. If we can’t gather up points during a ‘favourable’ start to the season then we’ve seen what can happen.

Not sure I would say 'quite a distant apart' to be fair mate

Tried to be honest with who I think is stronger





Maybe a case that Bash was great that season, but Anel was superb when central Saturday
Egan with more pace, or Egan with more experience?
Norwood likewise

I think we are weaker at the back, as Hendo gets in over Wes, and JoC over JLT

But Hamer, Souza, Archer and McB are, again imo, level up on 2019

Either way this isnt like comparing Newcastle from 2019 v 2023

Is the problem us, expectation?

All 3 promoted teams yet to win - all in the bottom 4?

Maybe the way the window works promoted teams have to accept they arent at their strongest until a couple of weeks after the deadline, when the team gels

Personally out of the 3, unbiased, I think we look the better - we then need to mandatory fall from grace (leicester last year) and were safe

 

[BladesOnToast]

This is looking like a very good season to be shite.

The side in 17th place, Bournemouth, has the (joint) lowest points total of any side in that position after 11 games since the start of the Prem - 31 seasons or whatever.

Meaning, in the majority of seasons we'd be well adrift with just 4 points, but this year we are one round of games away from being out of the drop zone. Makes a big difference to confidence etc, not feeling cut adrift like we could be by now.

UTB

EDIT: assuming Luton fail to win against Liverpool later on today...

 

[Bladezz]

Think it’s now 4 team mini league

 

[bornablade]

Everton possible points deduction could drag them in.
I stll feel Fulham may get dragged into the relegation scrap.

 

[ancientblade]

Think it’s now 4 team mini league

been looking that way for a while to be honest and although i think both will be ok everton and fulham could easily still get dragged in to it

 

[100% part time blade]

All 3 promoted teams have only been relegated once in premier league history, and that was 25 years ago.
All 3 relegated teams have never been promoted back up to premier league from championship (admittedly made trickier by the play-off lottery at the end).

Unless Ipswich keep their incredible form going (which I think is a bit unlikely), or one of us edges past Bournemouth, I can see a pretty reasonable chance of both things happening this season.