Boro's 2nd goal

[El Volví]

You'll consider not watching the match because someone you don't like is on the bench? Fucking hell

I never said I don't like him, I just said he's shite!

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

Seriously, if McBurnie is on the bench again next game I will have to consider if I'll even watch the game!
And if he's in the starting lineup I'll definitely not be watching and it will convince me that Hecky has lost the plot!

On that pathetic performance yesterday he should be nowhere near the first team.
If he needs fitness, send the useless twat out on loan.... although who would be daft enough to want him????

Can we just check here please? I'm asking a genuine question. When you say you "will have to consider if I'll even watch the game..."

Do you mean you will wait until an hour before the kick off, when the teams are announced, and if McBurnie is named on the bench, you will turn around on your trip to The Lane, or the trip to the away match you are traveling to, for eg we've got Swansea away coming, and go home in the car, or on the train, (because a supporters coach won't turn around for you). Is that what you mean? That you won't watch the game in person?

Or do you mean you'll just turn the tele off?

 

[Maurice Maurice]

I never said I don't like him, I just said he's shite!

And that will stop you watching the game? Thank fuck for that, things are looking up, one more plastic fan disappears up their own rectum

 

[El Volví]

Can we just check here please? I'm asking a genuine question. When you say you "will have to consider if I'll even watch the game..."

Do you mean you will wait until an hour before the kick off, when the teams are announced, and if McBurnie is named on the bench, you will turn around on your trip to The Lane, or the trip to the away match you are traveling to, for eg we've got Swansea away coming, and go home in the car, or on the train, (because a supporters coach won't turn around for you). Is that what you mean? That you won't watch the game in person?

Or do you mean you'll just turn the tele off?

Not even turn the Tele on.....


Although I probably would watch it!

 

[El Volví]

And that will stop you watching the game? Thank fuck for that, things are looking up, one more plastic fan disappears up their own rectum

Plastic fan I think not.
60 years of watching the Blades for me and I still think McBurnie is one of the worse players I've ever seen play for us!

 

[espoo blade]

Ahmedhodzic and McBurnie almost collides and the latter can only make a half hearted jump for the ball. Sometimes this is enough to put an opponent off, but not here.

Yeah, watched it back a few times and to me this looks exactly why McBurnie doesn't get to it. Ahmedhodzic checks McBurnie's run and without any proper run-up the jump inevitably looks "pathetic".

 

[1889]

View attachment 141731View attachment 141731Looking at the 4 Boro players circled here, and the 4 blades players standing next to them, it looks like someone was told to mark Akpom (and it wasn’t McBurnie): someone didn’t do their job (and it wasn’t McBurnie).

FFS thats before the ball was even in play, look at the images that opened this post, McBurnie is stood alongside Akpom as the ball comes in, he is fucking marking him. If anyone else looks, they think, ok Ollies got him, next thing no he hasn’t, he’s inexplicably left Akpom unmarked to try and intercept the cross. He’s missed the ball by a country mile and the rest is history.

Stop being so precious about McBurnie, he fucked up, get over it. The first goal, Lowe is culpable by failing to track his man, by the time he realises he’s lost him, its too late, five seconds later it’s 1-1. Piss poor, schoolboy defending from Lowe. Are you going to upload an image of him, some ten seconds earlier in an attempt to absolve him of any responsibility too?

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

FFS thats before the ball was even in play, look at the images that opened this post, McBurnie is stood alongside Akpom as the ball comes in, he is fucking marking him. If anyone else looks, they think, ok Ollies got him, next thing no he hasn’t, he’s inexplicably left Akpom unmarked to try and intercept the cross. He’s missed the ball by a country mile and the rest is history.

Stop being so precious about McBurnie, he fucked up, get over it. The first goal, Lowe is culpable by failing to track his man, by the time he realises he’s lost him, its too late, five seconds later it’s 1-1. Piss poor, schoolboy defending from Lowe. Are you going to upload an image of him, some ten seconds earlier in an attempt to absolve him of any responsibility too?

I am not particularly a McBurnie fan (but I will cheer him to the rafters as he plays for my team), but I am a zone man fan. If as you say, McBurnie is stood alongside Akpom, he'll have drilled that situation hundreds of times at Shirecliffe. The drill will be - each striker has a designated marker, it's not you, your job is to leave the striker to his designated marker and attack the ball if you think you can get it, one job, concentrate on the ball - that's the drill.

They drill to make sure a player knows their role. In a sense they drill so that the zone man doesn't have to make a decision other than can I get to the ball.

Take an extreme example. A freeze frame shows Akpom next to Wes. You don't think of Wes as his marker. Because Wes has a non marking job to do. So does the zone man.

McBurnie makes an error of judgement (?can I get a clear strong header on that cross?). But his error is not related to marking. If there's a marking problem, that's someone else (but not Wes)

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

If McBurnie stays with Akpom, that corner could unfold differently. If McBurnie (whose zone man job is to attack, clear, or disrupt the cross) let's that sail over him & sticks rooted to Akpom (who appears to have lost his designated marker), and if a Boro player gets a clean, powerful header on goal, and scores, it's McBurnie's fault because he's decided to be a marker, rather than a zone man. That's the dynamic.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

If McBurnie stays with Akpom, that corner could unfold differently. If McBurnie (whose zone man job is to attack, clear, or disrupt the cross) let's that sail over him & sticks rooted to Akpom (who appears to have lost his designated marker), and if a Boro player gets a clean, powerful header on goal, and scores, it's McBurnie's fault because he's decided to be a marker, rather than a zone man. That's the dynamic.

I thought teams were either zonal or man markers,are you saying we do both ? that seems a reciepe for mayhem.

 

[1889]

I am not particularly a McBurnie fan (but I will cheer him to the rafters as he plays for my team), but I am a zone man fan. If as you say, McBurnie is stood alongside Akpom, he'll have drilled that situation hundreds of times at Shirecliffe. The drill will be - each striker has a designated marker, it's not you, your job is to leave the striker to his designated marker and attack the ball if you think you can get it, one job, concentrate on the ball - that's the drill.

They drill to make sure a player knows their role. In a sense they drill so that the zone man doesn't have to make a decision other than can I get to the ball.

Take an extreme example. A freeze frame shows Akpom next to Wes. You don't think of Wes as his marker. Because Wes has a non marking job to do. So does the zone man.

McBurnie makes an error of judgement (?can I get a clear strong header on that cross?). But his error is not related to marking. If there's a marking problem, that's someone else (but not Wes)

You’d better explain that to Ahmehodizic, as he apparently didn’t attend the training session, as he clearly asks McBurnie what he’s doing afterwards? Perhaps you could also explain why the “Zone man” would take up a position alongside the oppositions striker thus impeding his (marker) teammate from doing the same? Or why does he not tell Ahmehodizic to pick up Akpom, knowing that his job and his intention is to attack the first ball, thus leaving Akpom unmarked?

Anyway, its all open to individual interpretation, and I think I’ve made mine quite clear, so I’m happy to agree to disagree

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

I thought teams were either zonal or man markers,are you saying we do both ? that seems a reciepe for mayhem.

We use Norwood (if on pitch) as a front screen to cut out underhit corners. And we use a central zone man. Sometimes centre. Sometimes nearer the back post if the scouting has spotted something. (Jebbison did it v Watford) (Berge did it v Millwall) (McBurnie did it v Boro once he came on). Sharp has done it in the past, but lacks a bit of the height needed. He's a reasonable disruptor though.

And then we have designated markers. So, like many, many teams we use a bit of zonal & a lot of man marking.

If you're at a game watch for Matt Duke on/off the bench. He's the goalkeeping coach. But, he takes a delegated authority on defensive set up. (He's connected by radio/phone with an earpiece. So there's probably someone in the stands with a higher angle & more paperwork).

On early opposition corners, Matt will see/be told what the opposition are up to/set up as. He'll be on his feet - basically pointing at a Utd player (eg) Egan and then showing a number with his fingers (what player Egan is being told to mark). When he sees the opposition are making a sub, he's up again and getting the earliest possible info from the fourth official. He checks his lists and, if necessary, signals who should now mark the sub, and any other necessary changes.

Ditto when United make a sub (eg McBurnie who will inevitably be the zone man) Matt has to signal to make sure any marking duties are reallocated. Although he will also have briefed the sub with charts on the touchline before the substitution.

There is an absolute industry around defensive duties at corners

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

You’d better explain that to Ahmehodizic, as he apparently didn’t attend the training session, as he clearly asks McBurnie what he’s doing afterwards? Perhaps you could also explain why the “Zone man” would take up a position alongside the oppositions striker thus impeding his (marker) teammate from doing the same? Or why does he not tell Ahmehodizic to pick up Akpom, knowing that his job and his intention is to attack the first ball, thus leaving Akpom unmarked?

Anyway, its all open to individual interpretation, and I think I’ve made mine quite clear, so I’m happy to agree to disagree

You're kidding right? McBurnie does not take up a position alongside the striker. The striker is allowed to move. Have you seen them corners. Where players run around. The striker does brilliantly he loses his marker and runs into the zone. The striker takes up the position alongside McBurnie. Not the other way around. The striker knows that by losing his marker & disrupting the zone he has increased his chances. He does that taking up a position thing, not McBurnie.

Tell me you've seen it, not just the stills...

 

[Drunk blade]

It''s not McBurnie's fault, it's not his job to mark players hes stood by and stop them scoring, even if they are 6 yards out.

The defence should apply the same principles... if Egan finds himself one on one with just their keeper to beat, he should just knock it out for a throw and get back in position #belikemcburnie

 

[1889]

You're kidding right? McBurnie does not take up a position alongside the striker. The striker is allowed to move. Have you seen them corners. Where players run around. The striker does brilliantly he loses his marker and runs into the zone. The striker takes up the position alongside McBurnie. Not the other way around. The striker knows that by losing his marker & disrupting the zone he has increased his chances. He does that taking up a position thing, not McBurnie.

Tell me you've seen it, not just the stills...

FFS Phil, so what your saying is, Akpom is privy to our players specific roles at set pieces?

Knowing McBurnies the spare man and not a marker, he deliberately stands next to him, and abracadabra, fifteen seconds later, sure enough, without even moving, he’s got a free header six yards out and its 2-2.

This is absolute fucking genius, but this has to be an inside job. I bet Wilder has got the away dugout miked up

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

FFS Phil, so what your saying is, Akpom is privy to our players specific roles at set pieces?

Knowing McBurnies the spare man and not a marker, he deliberately stands next to him, and abracadabra, fifteen seconds later, sure enough, without even moving, he’s got a free header six yards out and its 2-2.

This is absolute fucking genius, but this has to be an inside job. I bet Wilder has got the away dugout miked up

We're not far apart. It's a corner. There's a lot of players involved. There's not much space. Striker's try to find space. Defenders try to stay with their man. Zone players try to stay in their zone. There's a lot of moving parts. Player A may find himself next to player B. You and I are not saying things dramatically different to each other.

I'm making one point. McBurnie was the zone man on that corner.

 

[Mag-83]

We should seriously consider sending McBurnie out on loan, even if it means paying a good percentage of his wage whilst he is playing for another club.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

FFS Phil, so what your saying is, Akpom is privy to our players specific roles at set pieces?

Knowing McBurnies the spare man and not a marker, he deliberately stands next to him, and abracadabra, fifteen seconds later, sure enough, without even moving, he’s got a free header six yards out and its 2-2.

This is absolute fucking genius, but this has to be an inside job. I bet Wilder has got the away dugout miked up

But, on one point, I'm not sure where you're going. Every team in the division will know that if McBurnie is on the pitch, he'll be the zone man. So, yes they are privy to knowing that specific role. It's not like it's a secret or we ever do anything else (if he's on the pitch).

And also - ref awards a corner, guy goes over to take it, defence sets, every one in the ground, including the players can see who the zone man is - it's him look, him stood in the fucking zone. You don't need an inside job, you don't need secret info, you can see (in this instance) it's McBurnie.

And, yes, some attacking corner routines will try to disrupt and pull the zone. But, anyway, you've let me say my piece.

 

[1889]

Alright Wilf, McBurnies the zone. Let’s leave it now………..

But couldnt/shouldn’t he have maybe mentioned to a teammate that Akpom was stood there unmarked?………No forget it, I’m over it now, it doesn’t matter……it was a good away point

 

[petcharlie]

It's not understandable at all. If I sulked and threw a tantrum just because there's a player I don't like, sitting on the bench I'd find something else to do. I don't call that supporting the team, I call that being a big fucking baby.

Rubbish

 

[Bladesman]

Who the fuck are you to start dishing orders out? Or will there be a punch line to your request?

No punch line but I am not surprised you couldn't list anything.

 

[Sheff de party]

If McBurnie stays with his man the rest is irrelevant, its the type of defending you'd expect from a school kid playing his first game.

Why are we expecting footballing intelligence from Oliver McBurnie?

The manager should at least know better.

 

[Sheff de party]

And that will stop you watching the game? Thank fuck for that, things are looking up, one more plastic fan disappears up their own rectum

Mate, chill out. People are free to do what they want.

The fact you will watch whoever plays doesn’t make you some massive Blade, and you must surely have better things to do than lob abuse out on the internet.

 

[Maurice Maurice]

Mate, chill out. People are free to do what they want.

The fact you will watch whoever plays doesn’t make you some massive Blade, and you must surely have better things to do than lob abuse out on the internet.

Mate, I'm as chilled as can be, so chilled I'll be watching us vs Sunderland and hoping for 3 points even if Max Lowe is playing. Doesn't make me a massive Blade, it's just something I do.

 

[El Volví]

You'll consider not watching the match because someone you don't like is on the bench? Fucking hell

And having McBurnie as your avatar and listing him as your favourite player doesn't mean that he isn't shite!

 

[Maurice Maurice]

How do you know? You turn Eastenders on when we're playing so you've probably never seen him.

 

[Drunk blade]

FFS thats before the ball was even in play, look at the images that opened this post, McBurnie is stood alongside Akpom as the ball comes in, he is fucking marking him. If anyone else looks, they think, ok Ollies got him, next thing no he hasn’t, he’s inexplicably left Akpom unmarked to try and intercept the cross. He’s missed the ball by a country mile and the rest is history.

Stop being so precious about McBurnie, he fucked up, get over it. The first goal, Lowe is culpable by failing to track his man, by the time he realises he’s lost him, its too late, five seconds later it’s 1-1. Piss poor, schoolboy defending from Lowe. Are you going to upload an image of him, some ten seconds earlier in an attempt to absolve him of any responsibility too?

Spot on, if we had gone down to 10 men instead of bringing McBurnie on we defend that corner fine and probably go on to win the game

Look at Anel's reaction to McBurnie after the goal ... its pretty much what the fcuk are you doing

 

[Grumps]

Plastic fan I think not.
60 years of watching the Blades for me and I still think McBurnie is one of the worse players I've ever seen play for us!

Also Guthrie

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I’m still in disbelief McBurnie was even brought on.

 

[El Volví]

Also Guthrie

Better than McBurnie with 15 goals in 60 appearances for the Blades including a hat trick on his debut!