Booing Coutts

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Grappler said:
Hate arguing with fellow Blades mate, but after watching today's game, surely no one can say the fans are any part of the "problem"?
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I didn't say they were the only problem but it seems as clear as day (or as dark as night) that some of the fans are a big part of the problem.

Fwiw I thought in the actual game we were totally dominant for the first half hour or so - basically till they scored. (Even at the end the BBC possession stats were 63/37 That first part of the game seemed more like 80/20.)

The most obvious point was when Billy missed an absolute sitter. Again. Even Woolford played well for about 20 minutes or so.

Then they scored from a dreadful mistake by Hammond. (His second of the game.)

Atmosphere went toxic. Just like Rochdale - one of our best attacking performances. Chance after chance. They score. Some fans go into meltdown. Abusing their players, our players, each other, catering staff, stewards.

We dominate a game. Make a mistake. Opposition score. Crowd turn on the players.

Game Over.

Wigan was comeback of the season achieved in spite of some of the fans not because of them.

The one player for me "not fit to wear the shirt" was Coutts in the second half.
 



alcoblade said:
You do yourself no favours with this line of criticism fella.

You question that the fans are largely pissed off, suggesting that we've now got a cohesive plan in place, which ought to be enough to placate them. You then suggest that a reason for our failings is the fans behaviour.

I really do respect most of your contribution to the forum, but I consider this angle to be verging on delusional.

UTB
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I'm not saying the plan should placate the fans - just that it's there. And it's been missing before.
 
Point is pal, if you pay your money, you can cheer or boo, your choice.

If you pay to go and see the new Jungle Book film, then walk saying it is crap, that is your choice.

If you pay to go and see SUFC, and see a performance like today (and I have been attending since 1969) then you can cheer or boo.

I don't boo, just for the record, because lads who have tried get booed at the same time as wage stealers.
 
DronnieBlade said:
Once again you make a schoolboy error.

I speak of the now,, not the future. You added that for your own purpose.

If you wish to paraphrase me, please try to get it right.

Thanks and good night.

UTB
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"Now". It's still part of the game.
 
alcoblade said:
You then suggest that a reason for our failings is the fans behaviour.
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It's part of the reason. DronnieBlade first put his head above the parapet on this one upthread here.

DronnieBlade said:
Booing is a cultural cancer at English football stadia and BDTBL has become its Mecca.

Does it help the players or management during a game / after a game ?

Does it make our club more appealing to prospective players in the future (players talk you know) ?

I'm not here to gain points or anything but I seriously question the role our fans have played this last few seasons and would cite it as a reason (clearly not the only one) as to why we are where we are.

The atmosphere has gone toxic very quickly. There is a them and us mentality and it's clearly affecting the players.

Mid table IS NOT fucking good enough. Not in a month of Sunday's.

But sulking about it will achieve fuck all.

It's got to the stage where I would much rather share an empty stadium of 3000 fans that could actually manage to control their emotions such that there wasn't a constant dark cloud of negativity over the ground every time we play. It's become obvious that some fans, WHATEVER happens, are just looking to come to the ground and vent.

Booing is bollocks. Period.
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I think it's taboo - but it's also obvious.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
It's part of the reason. DronnieBlade first put his head above the parapet on this one upthread here.



I think it's taboo - but it's also obvious.
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The point is, if you take a club as big as ours and turn it into such a bag of shit, for so long, then the fans will inevitably be pissed off.

You have hot cause and effect completely mixed up. Of course, 20,000 fans being wholeheartedly behind the team for 90 minutes would be advantageous, but to place any part of our current predicament at the feet of an astoundingly loyal fan base who put up with such tripe is just not fair.

UTB
 
I don't think the fans booing has caused any of our problems, but some people are like spoiled brats. Look at the one actually hoping that one of these players had their career ended by an injury today. These guys may be shit, not worked hard enough etc - But what sort of person in their right mind would wish that on someone for not being very good, or being a bit lazy?! It's pathetic, and for me personally - I want no part of a group that think like that.
 
Our club is in such a hapless decline in the hands of incompetents , that the message from those who really care needs to be rammed down the throats of the owner and manager , to the effect that improvement must be made. One way of doing this is vocal. I couldn't give a shit that it might upset a few overpaid journeymen who kick a bag of wind around for more wages than I can dream of. They are grown men and professional sportspeople , they have to take it on the chin when it's deserved.

I would feel very stupid indeed if I did not , along with most fans , deliver this message , with the result that the owner and manager allowed themselves to continue pretending that their club is performing acceptably and is in an appropriate position in the football pyramid. I OWE it to the memory of TC and Woody to strive to provoke the current but temporary custodians of MY club to TAKE SOME ACTION.

I am obliged therefore to boo and jeer at the end of such a season , sympathising with a handfull of decent players , but recognizing any hurt felt by them is small collateral damage , far outweighed by the greater good of getting the message across to the owner , manager and overwhelming majority of useless gutless players.

Dronnie and WHF you are as bonkers as Adkins if you think that a bit of booing by the incredibly loyal 18,000 , of whom 11,000 have already renewed , can be anything other than totally justified and indeed crucial to our future , lest we become the County of Nottingham or the Rovers of Bristol.

This summer I cannot have McNero fiddling while the Lane burns.
 
Keen Blade said:
Our club is in such a hapless decline in the hands of incompetents , that the message from those who really care needs to be rammed down the throats of the owner and manager , to the effect that improvement must be made. One way of doing this is vocal. I couldn't give a shit that it might upset a few overpaid journeymen who kick a bag of wind around for more wages than I can dream of. They are grown men and professional sportspeople , they have to take it on the chin when it's deserved.

I would feel very stupid indeed if I did not , along with most fans , deliver this message , with the result that the owner and manager allowed themselves to continue pretending that their club is performing acceptably and is in an appropriate position in the football pyramid. I OWE it to the memory of TC and Woody to strive to provoke the current but temporary custodians of MY club to TAKE SOME ACTION.

I am obliged therefore to boo and jeer at the end of such a season , sympathising with a handfull of decent players , but recognizing any hurt felt by them is small collateral damage , far outweighed by the greater good of getting the message across to the owner , manager and overwhelming majority of useless gutless players.

Dronnie and WHF you are as bonkers as Adkins if you think that a bit of booing by the incredibly loyal 18,000 , of whom 11,000 have already renewed , can be anything other than totally justified and indeed crucial to our future , lest we become the County of Nottingham or the Rovers of Bristol.

This summer I cannot have McNero fiddling while the Lane burns.
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Quote "I am obliged to boo and jeer".

And this is not seen by you as a problem ??

FFS.

UTB
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Wigan was comeback of the season achieved in spite of some of the fans not because of them.
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I wasn't there, I was listening on the radio, but my memory of that night is that from our first goal, the fans rallied. I'd confidently make the notion that without the fans, we'd still have gone 3-0 down but we wouldn't have got back to 3-3. What say you?
 
Keen Blade said:
lest we become the County of Nottingham or the Rovers of Bristol.
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The Rovers of Bristol: Back to back promotions in two seasons...(yes from the van thing to division four and on to division three, I know, but still...two in two...)
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
If you believe this, which to me is in direct contradiction to all available evidence, then there's not much point continuing.

I think some of the "fans" are a big part of the problem. Often for reasons implicit in the post quoted. Though it goes beyond that.
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I wrote "Our fans are fantastically loyal and very supportive" . You clearly don't agree, and feel we are a big part of the problem. As you say, there's not much point in debating this any further, you have a view that I simply can't agree with.

I've spent a bit of time in the International bar before games this season and Bob Booker, Kevin Gage (I think) and Richard Creswell have all been given amazing receptions. I'd say none of these are terrifically talented, but they all put in a shift and the fans recognise that because they aren't idiots. Cresswell, quite pointedly stated that the right level of effort was the minimum requirement and we all understood what he was saying, "some of this squad, can't and don't do that". Thank god that a whole chunk of this squad is leaving, hopefully the fantastic fans at this club will have a proper team to support next season.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
I didn't say they were the only problem but it seems as clear as day (or as dark as night) that some of the fans are a big part of the problem.

Fwiw I thought in the actual game we were totally dominant for the first half hour or so - basically till they scored. (Even at the end the BBC possession stats were 63/37 That first part of the game seemed more like 80/20.)

The most obvious point was when Billy missed an absolute sitter. Again. Even Woolford played well for about 20 minutes or so.

Then they scored from a dreadful mistake by Hammond. (His second of the game.)

Atmosphere went toxic. Just like Rochdale - one of our best attacking performances. Chance after chance. They score. Some fans go into meltdown. Abusing their players, our players, each other, catering staff, stewards.

We dominate a game. Make a mistake. Opposition score. Crowd turn on the players.

Game Over.

Wigan was comeback of the season achieved in spite of some of the fans not because of them.

The one player for me "not fit to wear the shirt" was Coutts in the second half.
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Possession is not dominating the game. It's no guarantee that the game will be won. Just ask Leciester fans.
Chances that make the keeper work are significant.
Long had far more to do than Scunny's stopper. That's significant.
Our "experienced" players are supposed to be there because their decision making is superior to the others. There are far too many instances where their decisions have been very poor and their execution even worse.

Dominance is not defined by possession.
 
Kenilworth said:
Possession is not dominating the game. It's no guarantee that the game will be won. Just ask Leciester fans.
Chances that make the keeper work are significant.
Long had far more to do than Scunny's stopper. That's significant.
Our "experienced" players are supposed to be there because their decision making is superior to the others. There are far too many instances where their decisions have been very poor and their execution even worse.

Dominance is not defined by possession.
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Spot on - BBC stats are a fool's measure of any game. We were awful on Sunday and I'm afraid Hammond had a stinker from the horrendous missed tackle in the first couple of minutes through to the pass to their striker for the goal. In fairness to him he didn't hide during the next few minutes despite having his every touch booed and that shows some character.

However, he'll not be back at the lane and I'm happy about that.
 
Tray said:
"Coutts, clappers and slashers, and WHF. A cracking read from start to finish, would read again. 8/10."

*Warning may contain traces of Dean Hammond*
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For the record, I wasn't being serious when I started this thread - I have never booed a United player.

(Called a few 'useless twat' on numerous occasions mind....)
 
west_yorks_blade said:
For the record, I wasn't being serious when I started this thread - I have never booed a United player.

(Called a few 'useless twat' on numerous occasions mind....)
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Yeah, I don't think I've booed a player either. I reckon that day was the closest I got. (Well, that and the Shrewsbury game...)

I couldn't believe what I saw that day, from the team sheet to the performance.

A pathetic end to a pthetic season. Just so glad we got it right finally.
 
west_yorks_blade said:
For the record, I wasn't being serious when I started this thread - I have never booed a United player.
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I have.

Curran - constantly until he did one.
Owen Morrison - when his name was read out

Lavery is still on probation but he seems to be running the trotters off nicely, so he has been given the benefit of the doubt.
 
If WHF was some kind of mouthpiece for Adkins then his opinion on Coutts is worth thinking about. (I still think WHF was Jim tbh).
 



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