Bob always wanted to make wedge out of us

[Micalijo]

Don't forget the casino project.

This bloke is pure property speculation.

A complete disgrace and yet still you Lion regulars clap and say FFP. You and him are destroying our beloved club.

 

[SotonBlade]

I may speak for just myself, I may speak for many when I say………EH?

 

[Micalijo]

I may speak for just myself, I may speak for many when I say………EH?

Perfectly clear Soton my old pal - what don't you get? I will expand no problem.

 

[SotonBlade]

All of it?

You refer to Bob? Bob who? Bob Carolgees?

Given it's you it's probably a pseudonym for McCabe though

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Who is Bob?

 

[SotonBlade]

Who is Bob?

Alice's husband?

 

[Micalijo]

Hey - it's McSue.

 

[SotonBlade]

you've definitely had a drink

 

[Micalijo]

you've definitely had a drink

Yeah - a drink. Honestly mate, we've had people on saying McCabe had best intentions etc but his first interest was the land and the possibilities. I detest the bloke, detest property speculators like him, we were so nearly there, so nearly ahead of Wendy forever more and he blew it.

 

[SotonBlade]

I understand your frustrations Mic. As a club though looking back isn't going to have a bearing on the future, so it's better to move on. If you're so keen on looking back then does he not deserve some of the credit for getting us up there in the first place?

 

[raul]

The Casino Narnia wasn't even his first wheeze Mic.

 

[Micalijo]

I understand your frustrations Mic. As a club though looking back isn't going to have a bearing on the future, so it's better to move on. If you're so keen on looking back then does he not deserve some of the credit for getting us up there in the first place?

Yes he does - I regularly think about the thousands I have pissed up the wall watching SUFC but moments like Browny's volley v Wendy and the feeling when we went up and the buzz before, during and after the games in 06/07 make it all worthwhile.

I am well aware that football can go wrong, relegation happens. We were slightly unlucky last term (although I believe Ched would have gone in summer 11 if not arrested) but come on, this term with our resources we should be certs for promotion. SUFC even with a no input owner should be capable of survival in 2nd tier. I'm missing the away fans, sick of seeing 200 of them only.

I'm quickly losing patience with Wilson as well as his signing have been shite. Dropping Westlake a big no no for me.

 

[Micalijo]

The Casino Narnia wasn't even his first wheeze Mic.

Oh eye Rauler mate, sure he had a few on the go.

 

[SotonBlade]

Yes he does - I regularly think about the thousands I have pissed up the wall watching SUFC but moments like Browny's volley v Wendy and the feeling when we went up and the buzz before, during and after the games in 06/07 make it all worthwhile.

I am well aware that football can go wrong, relegation happens. We were slightly unlucky last term (although I believe Ched would have gone in summer 11 if not arrested) but come on, this term with our resources we should be certs for promotion. SUFC even with a no input owner should be capable of survival in 2nd tier. I'm missing the away fans, sick of seeing 200 of them only.

I'm quickly losing patience with Wilson as well as his signing have been shite. Dropping Westlake a big no no for me.

Fair enough Mic. I know you alluded to it in your opening post, but FFP is real, it's not made it's a football league regulation for Leagues 1 and 2. We cannot have a wage bill higher than 65% of our turnover and as things stand we are extremely close to that limit. As a club we can't go over it without punishment. I'm entirely up on what the punishments are, but I think embargo's and points deductions are a realistic possibility.

Would you happily give up points to have a higher wage bill??

No matter how much wedge McCabe has stashed in his off shore bank accounts, he can't use any of it to fund players any more. Whether he should of in previous seasons is a totally different question, and I believe he probably has to a certain extent. Another argument is whether that went on the right players and in recent season it probably didn't!

 

[Micalijo]

This has been done on another string but if the rules are that you can spend 65% of turnover on wages then we should be certs for top 2 in this section. Wilosn signings have been shite and that is his fault obviously, Cofie a complete joke but I reckon a key part of the plan for this term.

Part of problem is I don't think McCabe has much liquid cash at the moment.

 

[Foxy]

Remind me again of the best way to make wedge out of football?

 

[Micalijo]

Build a hotel, buy a Chinese Club, build a casino, an office block.

Fail.

Transfer land out of club and charge a rent forever more to any new owners.

Plenty have made wedge Foxmeister.

 

[shorehamview]

Plenty have made wedge Foxmeister.

Who? Names and figures please. Proof, if you don't mind. Remember, you said "plenty" so lets have some evidence.

 

[grafikhaus]

This has been done on another string but if the rules are that you can spend 65% of turnover on wages then we should be certs for top 2 in this section.

This is the bit I don't get. FFP is held up by some as an excuse for why we're failing. Our crowds are far greater than any other in Div 3. Ergo, we have a massive advantage over everybody else when it comes to buying/attracting players. Sure, this doesn't guarantee us walking the division, but there is simply no excuse for anybody - especially the management - to constantly whine about 'hands tied' etc. If it's down to McCabe, well this is a convenient excuse for DW - a poor manager.

Unless the medium-term plan is to allow our crowds to dwindle so we're on 'a level playing field'...

 

[Micalijo]

Who? Names and figures please. Proof, if you don't mind. Remember, you said "plenty" so lets have some evidence.

Bates, Edwards, Hall, Moores, Dein, Gold.

I think the figures were pretty widely publicised in each case. You denying they made profit?

 

[shorehamview]

Bates, Edwards, Hall, Moores, Dein, Gold.

I think the figures were pretty widely publicised in each case. You denying they made profit?

Six out of 92 isn't what I'd call "plenty", and without any evidence other than just saying so too. It's more what I'd call "less than 10%", by which reasoning more than 90% have lost money. Perhaps McCabe is in the majority and not the minority?

 

[shorehamview]

Bates, Edwards, Hall, Moores, Dein, Gold.

I think the figures were pretty widely publicised in each case. You denying they made profit?

Another quote of the same, now that I'm at a keyboard and not on the phone. I'm not denying they made profit. I'll detail that below. What I am questioning is the use of the word "plenty". Six out of ten is "plenty", but six out of ninety two is "not many at all, considering".

Bates has made money and stayed in football, although he's not exactly raised Leeds to the giddy heights. He made £140 million when he sold Chelsea. How much of that have Leeds seen?

Martin Edwards made money when he sold Manchester United into American debt, and didn't put any of the money back.

Sir John Hall, a Newcastle property developer, made a reported £50-odd million when he sold Newcastle United.

David Moores sold Liverpool to the Americans Gillett and Hicks, so none of that money went into the club.

David Dein made £75 million when he sold his shares in Arsenal.

David Gold made his money from, mainly, porn, crap newspapers, pants and dildos. he made some money when he sold his share in Birmingham City and spent some on West Ham. At least he's put money back into football, even if it is West Ham.

So that's six people. As I stated above, it's hardly, as you said, "plenty", is it?

And they've not really helped any of the cubs out after they made their wedge, speculating on football, which is just another form of property - if a football club is owned by a person or persons it's their property after all. You're championing these six, yet criticising McCabe. This isn't a defence of McCabe, not by a long way. What it is is purely a deconstruction of your argument that "plenty have made wedge", where in fact it appears to be six, because you named six names, who have made some "wedge" by selling football clubs, without actually bothering to provide proof of that to us.

Now considering the financial state we are in McCabe seems highly unlikely to be able to flog us to the nearest Nigerian royalty for a massive profit, so he won't be making untold millions from a lucrative sale any time soon. But that isn't going to stop your personal crusade any time soon, is it?

 

[shorehamview]

yet still you Lion regulars clap and say FFP. You and him are destroying our beloved club.

Those of us who frequent the Lion are season ticket holders who spend a lot of time and money supporting Sheffield United. What we also do is spend a lot of time moaning about Sheffield United too. We are aware that McCabe has fallen far short of his promises. We were promised many things that have filed to materialise. We were promised Europe within five seasons, and we have had friendlies against Malta Papergirls Under 11's. We saw foreign football club ownership that resulted in the signing of two retired rickshaw drivers and a Chines lion dancing on the pitch few times.

We were promised many things, which have yet to appear.

We know McCabe has fallen far short, we just don't go on about it all the fucking time.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Fair enough Mic. I know you alluded to it in your opening post, but FFP is real, it's not made it's a football league regulation for Leagues 1 and 2. We cannot have a wage bill higher than 65% of our turnover and as things stand we are extremely close to that limit. As a club we can't go over it without punishment. I'm entirely up on what the punishments are, but I think embargo's and points deductions are a realistic possibility.

Would you happily give up points to have a higher wage bill??

No matter how much wedge McCabe has stashed in his off shore bank accounts, he can't use any of it to fund players any more. Whether he should of in previous seasons is a totally different question, and I believe he probably has to a certain extent. Another argument is whether that went on the right players and in recent season it probably didn't!

As I've said before, the football league's own website says that the only sanction for breaching the SCMP rules in League One and The Championship is a transfer embargo.Clubs that get promoted to the Premiership from 2014/2015 will get hit with a "fair play tax" but that's two seasons away and highly unlikely (for us) anyway:-
http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

In reality, there is no possibilty of points being deducted or of fines being imposed.
League One will impose a transfer embargo but as we've seen with Swindon, their Chairman managed to get that lifted by simply making more funds available. Make no mistake that McCabe could also do this if he wanted to.
Instead, Sheffield United have imposed their own transfer embargo on the manager, when we're not even at the maximum level allowed by the league's rules.

 

[super_pig]

I'm quickly losing patience with Wilson as well as his signing have been shite. Dropping Westlake a big no no for me.

yeah .. that raised a few eyebrows mate.. it's certainly made me reconsider my position on him
this fair play thing is a total red herring.. we get ten thousand fans 'per match' more than any other team.. they are using it as an excuse not to buy a winger.

 

[SwissBlade]

Regardless of the punishment, why would we want to break the rules? Isn't it simply better to get our house in order and work to the rules.

Shouldn't we, as a so called well run business, be working to a good practice to work and live within our means anyway!?!

 

[Kenilworth]

David Gold made his money from, mainly, porn, crap newspapers, pants and dildos. he made some money when he sold his share in Birmingham City

Is it just me or has anyone else spotted the irony here?
McCabe made a lot of money in the property market then lost it all on a complete set of pants and dildos.

 

[SotonBlade]

As I've said before, the football league's own website says that the only sanction for breaching the SCMP rules in League One and The Championship is a transfer embargo.Clubs that get promoted to the Premiership from 2014/2015 will get hit with a "fair play tax" but that's two seasons away and highly unlikely (for us) anyway:-
http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/FLExplainedDetail/0,,10794~2748246,00.html

In reality, there is no possibilty of points being deducted or of fines being imposed.
League One will impose a transfer embargo but as we've seen with Swindon, their Chairman managed to get that lifted by simply making more funds available. Make no mistake that McCabe could also do this if he wanted to.
Instead, Sheffield United have imposed their own transfer embargo on the manager, when we're not even at the maximum level allowed by the league's rules.

Thanks for the info Sothall. Was unaware of that. Interesting stuff.