Blades 0-1 Aston Villa - 28/01/96 - FA Cup

[PeterNdlovu081]

Have we ever been victim to a more blatant dive?

 

[JohnDenver]

I was going to say David Hopkin. But his famous dive fooled no-one, even if he did do us over legitimately in the playoffs a few weeks later.

So I'd have to say the OP has it.

 

[boo radley]

It was a good day for sledging as I remember.

 

[raul]

Mr Gerrard?

 

[Foxy]

Christ, was that really 16/17 years ago?

 

[Revolution]

I had a miserable day that day. I was unexpectedly in Oxford for the weekend and had to travel up from there. The trains were awful, sorry, more awful than usual because of the snow. I had a 9 hour round trip and missed the kick off (late train) and the end (had to leave to get last train back to Oxford) when I could have stayed in and watched us lose on the telly.

Still, I have happy memories of the Cup that season thanks to the two Arsenal games.

 

[Darren]

To be fair to Milosevic, it looks a clear pen when the no.2 (Chris Short?) clips his legs and he doesn't go down.

 

[South London Blade]

I remember that day vividly - some twat lobbed a snowball across the kop which was 90% ice, which clocked me right on my left lug-ole.

 

[Billyblade]

I remember this day well, it was a Sunday and everywhere was covered in snow. It wasn't long after I met my wife (about a fortnight I think) and I remember trudging through the snow after the game to meet her (she was still dubious about letting me know where she lived at that time!)
Milosevic was notorious at the time for the theatrics, I think he realised he should have gone down when the first tackle went in but Kelly never touched him.
Isn't it strange to see camera footage shot from the John Street side?
Good God, that kit was awful.
It's not obvious from the clip, but I seem to remember Dwight yorke being pelted with snowballs as he took the penalty. Or am I wrong?

 

[Darren]

I remember this day well, it was a Sunday and everywhere was covered in snow. It wasn't long after I met my wife (about a fortnight I think) and I remember trudging through the snow after the game to meet her (she was still dubious about letting me know where she lived at that time!)
Milosevic was notorious at the time for the theatrics, I think he realised he should have gone down when the first tackle went in but Kelly never touched him.
Isn't it strange to see camera footage shot from the John Street side?
Good God, that kit was awful.
It's not obvious from the clip, but I seem to remember Dwight yorke being pelted with snowballs as he took the penalty. Or am I wrong?

Perhaps the ref gave the pen for the first tackle?

 

[GAZBLADE]

I remember that day vividly - some twat lobbed a snowball across the kop which was 90% ice, which clocked me right on my left lug-ole.

I shouldn't laugh but it's just the way you posted it!!!!

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Why all the clips of defeats...porkers would have a field day here....

 

[GAZBLADE]

Why all the clips of defeats...porkers would have a field day here....

They couldn't find any victories!!!!
UTB
COYRWW

 

[Billyblade]

Perhaps the ref gave the pen for the first tackle?

Can't see it Darren. We all know referees only give pens if the player goes to ground under the challenge in question.
You'll be telling me that refs could give pens for intention next.

 

[Balham]

Perhaps the ref gave the pen for the first tackle?

Can't see it Darren. We all know referees only give pens if the player goes to ground under the challenge in question.
You'll be telling me that refs could give pens for intention next.

Nice try Darren but Kelly got booked for the challenge. It was a case of a penalty given at the Lane for intent which, incidentally, is within the rules but I'd imagine that as neither Kelly in this case nor Morgan in 2006 intended to foul - the crucial bit - then in both cases the referee got it wrong.

 

[Darren]

Nice try Darren but Kelly got booked for the challenge. It was a case of a penalty given at the Lane for intent which, incidentally, is within the rules but I'd imagine that as neither Kelly in this case nor Morgan in 2006 intended to foul - the crucial bit - then in both cases the referee got it wrong.

Didn't he get booked for the protest rather than the challenge? Wouldn't he have been sent off if it was for the challenge?

 

[Revolution]

It's not obvious from the clip, but I seem to remember Dwight yorke being pelted with snowballs as he took the penalty. Or am I wrong?

I think a few snowballs were thrown in his direction after he scored.

 

[Wapping Blade]

I seem to remember for the penalty, the ref standing on the goal line to the right of the goal looking from the kop and getting an ice ball in the fizz but the footage doesn't show the ref at the penalty at all.

 

[Darren]

I seem to remember for the penalty, the ref standing on the goal line to the right of the goal looking from the kop and getting an ice ball in the fizz but the footage doesn't show the ref at the penalty at all.

I have mentioned this before, but in the game on 2/1/82 v Halifax the ref, having sent off Paul Richardson just before half time, got a snowball full in the face as he stood near the Kop early in the second half. He was knocked unconscious for a short time.

 

[Balham]

Didn't he get booked for the protest rather than the challenge? Wouldn't he have been sent off if it was for the challenge?

Denying a clear goalscoring opportunity only became a red-card offence in 2007.

 

[Darren]

Denying a clear goalscoring opportunity only became a red-card offence in 2007.

That can't be right. Tracey got sent off for precisely that v Oldham in 1994.

 

[Kenilworth]

That can't be right. Tracey got sent off for precisely that v Oldham in 1994.

Wasn't that for deliberate hand ball at the edge of the pen area rather than denying a goal scoring oppty?

At which game was it where Tracey was kicking from his hands but because the movement continued outside the box (when it actually connected with his foot) he was red carded?

 

[Darren]

Wasn't that for deliberate hand ball at the edge of the pen area rather than denying a goal scoring oppty?

At which game was it where Tracey was kicking from his hands but because the movement continued outside the box (when it actually connected with his foot) he was red carded?

Yes, but he handled outside the box, thus preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity when an opponent was clean through. He did the same thing (and got sent off) against Portslouth in 1998 and WBA in 2002 (The BOBL).

You don't sent off just for handling outside the box, so I don't think what you reemmber ever happened!

 

[Kenilworth]

Yes, but he handled outside the box, thus preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity when an opponent was clean through. He did the same thing (and got sent off) against Portslouth in 1998 and WBA in 2002 (The BOBL).
You don't sent off just for handling outside the box, so I don't think what you reemmber ever happened!

Yeah, you are probably right (again) absolutely certain that Paul Garner was the first ever sending off for a deliberate hand ball in the penalty area denying a goal scoring oppty when the law changed. So the sending off that Tracey suffered was probably out of the same law.

 

[Darren]

Yeah, you are probably right (again) absolutely certain that Paul Garner was the first ever sending off for a deliberate hand ball in the penalty area denying a goal scoring oppty when the law changed. So the sending off that Tracey suffered was probably out of the same law.

Quite right about Garner - it was on the first date of the 82-83 season at Portsmouth. I don't know where BB gets 2007 from

 

[Kenilworth]

That vid adds weight to a couple of theories; 1. we always get the shit side of decisions against the bigger teams, and 2. whilst we pass the ball like that in midfield (towards the end of the clip) we will always end up where we are now.

 

[Kenilworth]

Quite right about Garner - it was on the first date of the 82-83 season at Portsmouth. I don't know where BB gets 2007 from

HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY! HOORAY!
I got something bloody right for a change and the oracle told me so.
Almost (repeat almost) feckin made my day Darren - sad git that I am

 

[Balham]

Quite right about Garner - it was on the first date of the 82-83 season at Portsmouth. I don't know where BB gets 2007 from

2007 was when the change became part of the Laws of the Game as maintained by FIFA. You're quite right, the FA has applied the red card since 1982-83.

I would image that the fact that Milosevic was heading away from goal was what saved Kelly in that case. It's a fine line.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I think a few snowballs were thrown in his direction after he scored.

The snowballs following the dodgy pen are one of the only things I can remember from that match, alongside Don Hutchison's header at the end of the 1st half where he really should have scored.

 

[Darren]

2007 was when the change became part of the Laws of the Game as maintained by FIFA. You're quite right, the FA has applied the red card since 1982-83.

I would image that the fact that Milosevic was heading away from goal was what saved Kelly in that case. It's a fine line.

I think our very own Phil Thompson player a large part in that rule change. In the replay of the League Cup Final in 1978 between Forest and Liverpool, John O'Hare was clean through for Forest in the 2nd half with Thompson in hot pursuit. On the edge of the area, Thompson pull him back. The ref gave a pen (from which John Robertson scored and won the cup for Forest), though the replay showed the foul was outside the area.

After the game, Thompson was interviewed and was fuming. He basically said that, he knew full well that O'Hare was outside the area when he pulled him as he timed to do it then knowing there would be a free kick and a booking and that would be it. That level of cynicism shocked a lot of people and started the thought that tougher sanctions were needed...