Blackman: God?

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So the god that is Nicholas Blackman, goals per game ratio = 2.54!

Big Dave Kitson = 2.4, not to mention Kitson came on as sub early in the season and Blackman scored about 5 or 6 pens

Interesting
 



Said all along he wouldn't be missed like some thought
 
interesting stuff matt

i love a stat, so nice work.

I was and still am gutted that we sold him in the JTW rather than at the end of the season, but so far we seem to be coping without him. having said that he's exactly the type of player we would need if we got promoted, he has pace, confidence, can score goals so its abit of a case of short termism if we think selling young good players will help us sustain success.
 
interesting stuff matt

i love a stat, so nice work.

I was and still am gutted that we sold him in the JTW rather than at the end of the season, but so far we seem to be coping without him. having said that he's exactly the type of player we would need if we got promoted, he has pace, confidence, can score goals so its abit of a case of short termism if we think selling young good players will help us sustain success.

This is the thing though Gav, he really didnt score enough from open play for me.
 
I thought he was shit and was amazed at the prize tag
Reyt deal , I can understand why people were pissed off though he was the top scorer and we always sell our best players
 
This is the thing though Gav, he really didnt score enough from open play for me.

Youre right, a lot of his goals were pens. But he was on the wing for a lot of them games aswell. I think we need players like him in the team to survive long term like antonio does for the unclean.
 
7 games since Blackman went P7 W5 D1 L1 pts 16

Last 7 games with NB in the team P7 W2 D3 L2 pts 9

Cheers darren

I may disagree with you on some things but I share your love of stats!

any chance of knocking up a percentage of goals in games with Blackmans time at the lane this season
compared to his time since he's left when you have a mo?

cheers
gavlar
 
So the god that is Nicholas Blackman, goals per game ratio = 2.54!

Big Dave Kitson = 2.4, not to mention Kitson came on as sub early in the season and Blackman scored about 5 or 6 pens

Interesting

Kitson is a fantastic strker at this level and he's been a great signing, but I think you're missing the point of everyone's disappointment with the Blackman transfer, Matt.
Work out their respective goals per game ratio again in another five years time and then all will become clear!
 



Now I am not aiming my following accusation at any of the previous posters in thsi thread exactly.

However, it does seem odd how the general consensus has changed. When we sold Blackman, I had numerous arguments with blades on and off this forum about how we didn't need him, and how people were going on about 'selling our BEST player - classic mccabe' blah blah blah, same old shit. (he never was our best, people just made him out to be as extra weight behind their abuse of the board!) I seemed to be very much in a minority. So where have all those people gone that were slagging off the club for selling Blackman now? Have they finally realised (too late IMO) that actually Blackman was a bloody good bit of business!

I remember a key argument being 'penalties still count'. Well they do, but only statistically in my opinion. As said before, Maguire could have been top scorer in Jan had he taken all pens to that date! We may not be great in the transfer market, but actually January 2013 was one of the best in our recent history. Came out of it with a better squad and a bit of profit as a bonus! Shame it's taken until March for some to notice....
 
Said all along he wouldn't be missed like some thought

Bit early for comments like that. We've already got two forwards out injured and we had some right problems at the back of last season with strikers being injured/jailed. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, eh?
 
However, it does seem odd how the general consensus has changed.

Has it changed, or have people just stopped talking about it?

I was pretty disappointed with his transfer. It is a great piece of business all things considered, something which I recognized on the day of the sale too, but that's not going to stop me from being disappointed with the sale of a talented player. Selling the two Kyles for insane money was also great business, but it doesn't stop a little piece of me dying inside every time I watch a Spurs game.
 
I think we're stronger now than pre january too. But we brought in five first team players while letting Blackman and a couple of unwanted squad players go.

Blackman was also on a long term contract. If it was the money received from his sale (and wages saved) that allowed us to bring in Higginbotham, Robson, Forte and Poleon, let's remember that they are only here for two months longer. Will the money cover strengthenings for next season as well?
 
Have they finally realised (too late IMO) that actually Blackman was a bloody good bit of business!

The good business was signing the players we did. It was never stated that we had to sell Blackman in order to finance these deals. "I hope he stays" etc...

If the club said that Murphy/Blackman was a straight replacement exercise (did they know Blackman was going at the time?), and the surplus would fund the short term signings we needed, then yes it was very good business for this season's purposes.

We'd be better able to judge all this if the chairman spoke more truth and less bibble.
 
We've effectively replaced him with Murphy plus around 750K which looks like a brilliant piece of business.
 
So the god that is Nicholas Blackman, goals per game ratio = 2.54!

Big Dave Kitson = 2.4, not to mention Kitson came on as sub early in the season and Blackman scored about 5 or 6 pens

Interesting


I don't know anyone who thought he was God (though the footballing world judged him as our only asset they were . interested in). I think most sensible people were disappointed, amazingly, that he was our top scorer and we were selling him after only 5 months, with no replacement lined up.

Why you'd find it interesting that people would be disappointed at that is what I find interesting.

UTB
 
Matt Bianco is the clappers answer to Micalijo. Rubbing his hands after victories so he can go on and say I told you so and rub the doubters/cynics/pessimists noses in it.

In the JTW we brought in 4 players and significantly increased the strength of the squad. Showing any stats of the last 7 games etc (as Darren did) is misleading and just smacks of an agenda. Before Blackman's last 7 games he had played in 20 odd and the team had achieved a 2 point a game average and was top of the league. Plus Collins returned (a huge favourable factor) and since then we have only conceded 3 goals (2 of which were in his first match). One of the main reasons for our 7 win unbeaten run (in addition to brining in Murphy, Forte and Higginbottom) is the return of one of the best defenders in this league, Neil Collins. In those 6 games we have only conceded 1 goal and Maguire has gone from looking ropey (playing alongside Higginbottom) to looking world class again.

I rate Kitson and think he is a class above at this level, however the comparison with Blackman is bizarre. Blackman is a quick, tricky and dangerous forward that played out wide for a lot of his time at United. His pacefrightedned the fuck out of defenders and he had a decent shot (as well as crossing). Kitson is a lump and a target man. Kitson has real footballing ability, has a good touch, is strong and decent in the air. He has an eye for goal and is often in the right place at the right time. He can be slow and a bit lazy looking, plus drops too deep too often (for my liking) but is a real asset to the team. Completely different players. The only likeness I can see is theatare both a bit lazy, both good at finding the back of the net and both miles better than 3rd tier level.
 
Its all about give and take ,Blackman would be better than Poleon ,who did have a decent game but looks raw ,and would give defences in this league a real problem. Wilson has recruited wisely especially with Robson ,unluckily with Forte and Murphy and we have actually come out of the window a looking stronger ,but dont lets slag offBlackman.We got a very good deal out of ,making close on a million in a few months but he was a good player for us at this level.
Regarding Maguire I think you are spot on ,he needs Collins (our most valuable player) alongside him like Kilgallon used to need Morgan. Maguire was absolute class yesterday ,he and Kitson were the difference for me ,Collins and Maguire prtect our penalty box brilliantly ,probably a legacy of not trusting Simmonsen and this is a great help to Long as he gets more experience.
 
Blackman is a great penalty taker, but other than the great potential he has, probably wasted a lot of chances early on in the season by being greedy. In a couple of years, he could develop into a fine player, but way beyond our meagre means for sure.
Anyway, I thought the penalty from Robson was ace, so can't see Blackman being much of a loss.
 
There's a reason we lost Blackman to clubs who weren't interested in taking any other of our players, or the ones we bought. I find it really sad to read some trying to diminish what he did, or the potential he showed.

We came out of the JTW stronger than we entered it which is very important. But nobody should fool themselves that United conducted this business in an ordered way - it was just short term penny pinching and for once 11th hour luck working for us (Robson). I can just about accept that, but not the guff the chairman used to justify his actions, and the mystifying way some seem determined to lap it up for the umpteenth time.

UTB
 
Matt Bianco is the clappers answer to Micalijo. Rubbing his hands after victories so he can go on and say I told you so and rub the doubters/cynics/pessimists noses in it.

In the JTW we brought in 4 players and significantly increased the strength of the squad. Showing any stats of the last 7 games etc (as Darren did) is misleading and just smacks of an agenda. Before Blackman's last 7 games he had played in 20 odd and the team had achieved a 2 point a game average and was top of the league. Plus Collins returned (a huge favourable factor) and since then we have only conceded 3 goals (2 of which were in his first match). One of the main reasons for our 7 win unbeaten run (in addition to brining in Murphy, Forte and Higginbottom) is the return of one of the best defenders in this league, Neil Collins. In those 6 games we have only conceded 1 goal and Maguire has gone from looking ropey (playing alongside Higginbottom) to looking world class again.

I rate Kitson and think he is a class above at this level, however the comparison with Blackman is bizarre. Blackman is a quick, tricky and dangerous forward that played out wide for a lot of his time at United. His pacefrightedned the fuck out of defenders and he had a decent shot (as well as crossing). Kitson is a lump and a target man. Kitson has real footballing ability, has a good touch, is strong and decent in the air. He has an eye for goal and is often in the right place at the right time. He can be slow and a bit lazy looking, plus drops too deep too often (for my liking) but is a real asset to the team. Completely different players. The only likeness I can see is theatare both a bit lazy, both good at finding the back of the net and both miles better than 3rd tier level.

With Blackman in the team: P28 W12 D12 L4 pts 48 - ppg = 1.71
Since Blackman left P7 W5 D1 L1 pts 16 - ppg = 2.29

Obviously, we will have to wait to the end of the season for a final verdict, but at the moment the stats show we are doing better without Blackman than we did with him.
 
With Blackman in the team: P28 W12 D12 L4 pts 48 - ppg = 1.71
Since Blackman left P7 W5 D1 L1 pts 16 - ppg = 2.29

Obviously, we will have to wait to the end of the season for a final verdict, but at the moment the stats show we are doing better without Blackman than we did with him.

Small
Sample
Size

And the return of Collins, as Olle says.
 
Small
Sample
Size

And the return of Collins, as Olle says.

Beat me to it. Let's compare at the end of the season Darren. Plus, take a look at the stats I have pulled out in the 'most important player thread'.
 



Small
Sample
Size

And the return of Collins, as Olle says.


It is a small sample size, so we'll have to wait until it gets bigger before we jump to conclusions. However similar stats have been brought up multiple times in the past re former players ie; Beattie (1st time round) and used as proof.
 

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