Bitter taste in my mouth

[Pedro's Winger]

Though many say we should now redevelop the ground to increase capacity, where will this funding come from ?

I don't think we massively need to increase capacity though closer to 35,000 would probably be right.
Facilities though are poor, mainly on the kop which is just becoming more and more outdated.
The money would come from being in the Premier League, if we stay there, or from borrowing. If we never foresaw a time we could pay for it, why did we ever go through the rigmarole of drawing up plans, going for planning permission etc.
At some point it will have to happen though it could be an owner looks at a new ground as a more cost-effective move.

 

[bromtom]

Let's imagine you are on a budget but you take your family out for Sunday lunch each week as tradition.

Then one week they increase the prices and tell you 'but the quality has increased'.

Would/could you stay and pay for that increase? If you decided not to and 1. Go to a different cheaper restaurant or 2. Not go out to restaurants at all, how would you feel if someone were to tell you that you are lacking ambition and are being tight?

Let's imagine you could come up with a hypothetical scenario that was in any way applicable to this situation.

If I'm playing along, your carvery pub gets taken over by a Michelin starred chef, would you pay a bit more? You would if you appreciated good food. It's a bit more out of your pocket but the ingredients and prep are better so you can understand it even if you don't like it.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

I think they should go back to the 1960 prices, it would only cost us 7p to stand on the kop the same price as a pint of beer and if they did the same with wages we wouldn't have to pay any income tax, would we...…….... .

 

[benn5712]

I think they should go back to the 1960 prices, it would only cost us 7p to stand on the kop the same price as a pint of beer and if they did the same with wages we wouldn't have to pay any income tax, would we...…….... .

Good idea Benn. Although my dad may struggle passing me over the turnstiles due to him being dead.

And me being quite rotund.

 

[bromtom]

I think they should go back to the 1960 prices, it would only cost us 7p to stand on the kop the same price as a pint of beer and if they did the same with wages we wouldn't have to pay any income tax, would we...…….... .

And the bus fare wer only tuppence and they paid you to get rid of the pies cos they wer reyt kind in them days, and if you saw Doc Pace after the game and said hello he'd give you his wages for a fortnight.

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

I think your lot are pullin my leg ere...…..

 

[Harry's Game]

Lot embarrassing this thread

Fixed that for you.

 

[FMBlade1]

I think they should go back to the 1960 prices, it would only cost us 7p to stand on the kop the same price as a pint of beer and if they did the same with wages we wouldn't have to pay any income tax, would we...…….... .

Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

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Although that said if I were a Manchester City fan I'd suggest that there would be an argument for selling adult tickets for £10. Football isn't what it used to be, gate receipts aren't that significant at PL level.

 

[YES Blade]

Reductio ad absurdum - Wikipedia

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Although that said if I were a Manchester City fan I'd suggest that there would be an argument for selling adult tickets for £10. Football isn't what it used to be, gate receipts aren't that significant at PL level.

Someone should have told Daniel Levy, Spurs have just wasted a billion on a new stadium they didn’t need because gate receipts aren’t that significant.

 

[FMBlade1]

Someone should have told Daniel Levy, Spurs have just wasted a billion on a new stadium they didn’t need because gate receipts aren’t that significant.

Someone should have read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

I was referring to Manchester City, not Spurs. Chelsea seem to be doing alright in their relatively small stadium with not overwhelmingly high prices.

If I break my own rule, people seem to be suggesting that it's essential for us to increase program prices, charge £4.50 for a pint (or whatever) and have £35 tickets on the kop for Crystal Palace at home when on Sky in order for us to get new players and improve the stadium.

Does anyone want to guess how much more money we will make/not lose from these increases?

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

No do tell us...……...

 

[Charlieblade]

An interesting point raised by the OP regarding control of the club and decision making.
Given the ownership circumstances, I am pleased that the big and important decisions have obviously been resolved. The new contract for Wilder and the budget for new players are testament to those involved putting the club first.

Not wishing to undermine those with genuine grievances, I would assume the rest of the decisions have been devolved to directors and department heads. Administration is important, but at least the club got the big stuff right.

The PL and the EFL sell the same product in different packages.

 

[YES Blade]

The thing is, we all have to budget with our money, so unfortunately we can’t all do the things in life which we’d like to.

We’d all love to drive a flash car, live in a big house and go on loads of holidays but we can’t all do that because of our individual circumstances. Why is football any different? Why is it seen as some sort of basic human right to go to football?

The fact is football has never been more popular especially the Premier League. So why would they give away free programmes, sell cheap food and make ticket prices a bargain? Stadiums are full, what business is going to cut prices under those circumstances? It’s like any form of entertainment or hobby, it’s never cheap!

 

[FMBlade1]

No do tell us...……...

I couldn't possibly know without the full facts and figures which are privy to those inside the club. But if we just take programs:

As I said, there are so many ads in the programs which the various sponsors pay for.

Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game with the increases (assuming none stop buying them because of the increase), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club.

If it's fair game to moan at club for wasting money on Ched Evans, I say it's fair game to moan at the club for asking fans to pay for this £90,000.

YES Blade get what you're saying, but no-one is saying it's a human right, just that charging less may be the right thing for the fans. I'll quote the Bayern former chairmen again:

In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.

'That's the biggest difference between us and England.'

 

[metalblade]

A fair response. There's a lot to unpack, perhaps worthy of several threads on their own but to continue the discussion:

1. Yes you get more features but the customer is still paying a higher price, even if the product is better. I'll be fair and say that inflation has risen a lot since 2004 so a price increase does not seem unreasonable on the face of it http://www.in2013dollars.com/2004-GBP-in-2017 If they were being sold at a local corner shop I'd have no complaints. But as I said we are in the PL now so any loss recovered/profit made will be absolutely negligible in the club's overall finances as not to make a significant difference, so why charge more?

2. The whole catering thing has been a problem for years and we're yet to have the first game so I'll leave it there for now. However I'm not convinced it can't be done better/cheaper. But as I said we are in the PL now so any loss recovered/profit made will be absolutely negligible in the club's overall finances as not to make a significant difference, so why charge more?

3. Now you are guilty here of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum . What I'm suggesting is a 'lite' version of shirts not polyester; basically last year's shirts without the new aerodynamic materials. A lot of fans are buying rubbish cheap first from the far east now anyway. I don't think Adidas would have to make two copies of the kit. I'll admit I haven't thought about all this through in great detail but again I wonder if we are charging more than we need to. But as I said we are in the PL now so any loss recovered/profit made will be absolutely negligible in the club's overall finances as not to make a significant difference, so why charge more?

4. Nope. All this doesn't affect me, I'm very fortunate to be where I am. It would be nice if there were some £25 tickets available for those earning under a certain income bracket for starters.

You say 'fair price for Premier League Football' which is true, although Premier League football prices are unfair to begin with.

Come and get it ...............................
Free programmes,
Free beer.
Free pies,
Free sweets for kids,
Free shirts in the shop
What SUFC lose will be negligible the Premier League just gave is £96m up front do you need free tickets too we are assured bu FMBlade1 the loss will be negligible.

Never read so much in all my life no that's a lie I mean since your previous post.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

I couldn't possibly know without the full facts and figures which are privy to those inside the club. But if we just take programs:

As I said, there are so many ads in the programs which the various sponsors pay for.

Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game with the increases (assuming none stop buying them because of the increase), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club.

If it's fair game to moan at club for wasting money on Ched Evans, I say it's fair game to moan at the club for asking fans to pay for this £90,000.

YES Blade get what you're saying, but no-one is saying it's a human right, just that charging less may be the right thing for the fans. I'll quote the Bayern former chairmen again:

In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.

'That's the biggest difference between us and England.'

How much longer are you going to keep this fucking ridiculous thread going? We’re now in the Premier League, those are the prices, them’s the breaks, get used to it. Don’t go to Munich to watch Bayern, pay sensible money at the Lane. Get a grip, man

 

[Paisley Blade]

I remember when we played Fulham in the cup away in the replay, and they were bottom of the Premier League at the time and we were obviously in League One. At Fulham a hot dog cost almost £6 in 2014... and your complaining about our prices. I would go as far as saying even with our increased prices we'll still be the cheapest for all the categories mentioned in the PL this season.

I was at that game and I'm still thawing out , although the the 120th minute winner was sweet.

My reason for responding is , why would anyone be in a situation where they would have to pay £6 for a fucking Hot Dog, like anywhere ? Or £4 or £2 ?

 

[bromtom]

£90,000 chicken feed, just 3 first team players wages paid in full for a week, or two or three members of non-football staff's salaries for the year.

 

[FMBlade1]

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That's not what I'm saying at all, you too need to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

How much money will we make from these increases? Care to make a guessestimate? All I'm questioning is whether we need to have these increases as a club.

 

[ThatJa]

I was at that game and I'm still thawing out , although the the 120th minute winner was sweet.

My reason for responding is , why would anyone be in a situation where they would have to pay £6 for a fucking Hot Dog, like anywhere ? Or £4 or £2 ?

I didn't buy one, but there was a long queue... I thought the same, on a night match, how can someone either A. Get something to eat before the game, or B. Just go 90minutes (120m in this case) without food... its not hard.

 

[FMBlade1]

£90,000 chicken feed, just 3 first team players wages paid in full for a week, or two or three members of non-football staff's salaries for the year.

Compared to £100 million coming in with PL revenue etc yes it is chicken feed.

If I go all reductio ad absurdum why don't we increase the prices even more? Might mean we can get better players and stadium.

 

[YES Blade]

I couldn't possibly know without the full facts and figures which are privy to those inside the club. But if we just take programs:

As I said, there are so many ads in the programs which the various sponsors pay for.

Let's be generous and say 10,000 are sold a game with the increases (assuming none stop buying them because of the increase), that's around £90,000 extra a season, chicken feed for the club.

If it's fair game to moan at club for wasting money on Ched Evans, I say it's fair game to moan at the club for asking fans to pay for this £90,000.

YES Blade get what you're saying, but no-one is saying it's a human right, just that charging less may be the right thing for the fans. I'll quote the Bayern former chairmen again:

In the soundbite, from last year, he says: 'We could charge more than £104. Let's say we charged £300. We'd get £2m more in income but what's £2m to us?

'In a transfer discussion you argue about that sum for five minutes. But the difference between £104 and £300 is huge for the fan.

'We do not think the fans are like cows, who you milk. Football has got to be for everybody.

'That's the biggest difference between us and England.'

Great for Germany, but we’re not in Germany, in England the prices are higher, that’s just how it is. Fans keep paying their money so prices keep rising, no business lowers prices when there is a demand for the product at the current price.

99% of people with a job can afford to go to United matches and even get a season ticket. Stop smoking, don’t go to the pub, don’t go on holiday etc etc etc. Life is about choices and your priorities in life, if United is your number 1 priority you will get a season ticket, it’s as simple as that.

Finally all this moaning about food prices and programmes, what a load of shite! Just don’t buy them! Again it’s about priorities, watching the match is the priority anything above that is a nice to have and can be sacrificed in order to attend the match.

 

[metalblade]

That's not what I'm saying at all, you too need to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

How much money will we make from these increases? Care to make a guessestimate? All I'm questioning is whether we need to have these increases as a club.

My guesstimate would be we are only barely covering costs. The club is not a charity with volunteer staff or a fucking food bank get a grip for fuck sake.

 

[bromtom]

Compared to £100 million coming in with PL revenue etc yes it is chicken feed.

If I go all reductio ad absurdum why don't we increase the prices even more? Might mean we can get better players and stadium.

You act as though the club are asking you personally for £90k.

90k spread over thousands of people, if you lose 50p on the bus or something you don't really give it a second thought, but the club, who we all want to succeed, are supposed to give up profit out of the goodness of their hearts to make us all feel better.

Because its fucking shit supporting Premier League club Sheffield United who've just given our manager a lucrative 3 year deal and spent £50m on quality signings innit, selfish twats never do anything for our benefit.

Here's a wiki link just so I fit in.

Pumice - Wikipedia

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[Snowman]

FFS. OP fuck off elsewhere.

 

[blade too long]

It is more of a love affair with United greater than support, but as Sean says the club does have the knack of getting it wrong with fans occasioanly. I cannot explain why it's just summat they do, a lot though this season is by joining the PL which, is a franchise rather than a league. It's geared up to make money nothing more simple and a lot of fans get screwed not just Blades, blades have helped United out of some really tight spots sometimes they could give a little back. On saying that I for one will cut them some slack as this is a transitional period for the whole club and, as I say we have the chance to really bump it up a notch and be a team to be reckoned with.

When we went up in 06/07 the season was more of NW's personal mystery tour, you cannot knock him for promotion but sadly the PL is a step too far as for CW I think he'll be like a fish to water.

All clubs at times get it wrong with some fans as all the spectrum of fans we have have different expectations.
Ticket allocation is a particular minefield.
You get points for attending but can only attend if you've got points. A real chicken egg scenario. If we do well the tickets for home games demand will outstrip supply .
A successful United will really piss off some fans who won't get to home games.
You won't get a response you like when we sell out a month before you think of buying a ticket .
Premier league stipulations are as alien to our staff as they are our fans . How can they answer a query they have yet to face.

People should stop thinking of their own needs all the time and realise there's a finite scope for wiggle room in our decisions now. We must adhere to prem rules and not upset the hand that's doling out out a future income.

 

[Paddy1]

The product now, he has paid for, and supported, which is why it has improved, plus edured all the shite .... why should he pay more

In real terms he’s not really paying much more. My season ticket’s stayed pretty much the same for years so I’ve no gripes.

 

[Paddy1]

We could all gripe about the cost of tickets, beer etc but in reality we aren’t that badly done to in comparison to lots of other fans (look over ‘t’ hill) and I can’t complain. If people are missing out I genuinely feel sorry for you but since I’ve been supporting Utd (37 years) very rarely have we sold out week in week out so why shouldn’t those that have always gone get first dabs on tickets? We’re in a different pool now where touts loom to exploit (see recent Chelsea sting) people. The club in my opinion aren’t ripping us off and are actually looking to protect genuine fans from the vultures

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

All clubs at times get it wrong with some fans as all the spectrum of fans we have have different expectations.
Ticket allocation is a particular minefield.
You get points for attending but can only attend if you've got points. A real chicken egg scenario. If we do well the tickets for home games demand will outstrip supply .
A successful United will really piss off some fans who won't get to home games.
You won't get a response you like when we sell out a month before you think of buying a ticket .

To a degree, but they would have still got points for buying the odd home ticket, while we were in L1 and Championship, with very few sell out fixtures, so they could have accumulated points.

 

[FriethBlade]

Ticket.purchasing is a joke. I'm trying to spend 78.quid on 3 Leicester tickets for me and the boys. I'm fully registered and they r as family.and friends..All looks ok on.my.account and we all have more.than enough loyalty points but when I try and buy them it says 'the quantity of tickets owned by xxxxxxx exceeds.limitations'.

Well how the @@@@ can it when we only.want one each? If you are going to install a new ticketing software package beta test it and.make sure it works before the season starts.

We are going to end up losing revenue as casual.fans just wont bother. And for.those who think this.doesnt matter it does.for 2.reasons. Firstly this is our chance.to dominate south yorkshire fan wise for the foreseeable.future and secondly once the novelty factor wears.off we wont sell out the matches against.the.likes of Burnley, Brighton, Watford et al.