Birmingham points deduction

[BushBlade]

Not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere but whilst generally agreeing with your point as well as punishing the offending club there is also the impact on the victims to consider. For example there is a reasonable argument that some clubs who stay within their means would be much better off if they weren’t playing against cheats. Whilst the Millers were unlucky not to get six points off the S6 Galacticos there is a good argument to say that they definitely would have if Wendy were not stuffed full of £40k a week players. (Not sure how they did against Brum but same argument). So whilst offenders should absolutely not be allowed in the play offs/promotion, the impact of their offending may still have had negative repercussions on other clubs.

I’ll be honest in that I don’t know too much granular detail about Ipswich but I understand that they genuinely tried to sort out their finances by recruiting lower league, presumably lower wage players. In trying to do the right thing they’ve shot themselves in the foot when you’ve got Derby, who MUST be in breach, can buy their best player of the previous season. In trying to comply Ipswich have given themselves a bigger point deduction than Brum got.

Ipswich cut their budget because their owner doesn’t want to keep putting money into them year on year. Nowt to do with FFP. Same as why we’re in no danger of beaching the regs, neither KM nor Prince Andrex is going to put £39m of their own money into the club over the next three years.

 

[Sheffsteel]

When was this? I thought FFP was imposed by UEFA? Which clubs got to vote on it?

Don’t know, it was just something the FFP expert said on the Radio Sheffield FFP phone-in special this week.

A Wednesday fan rang up saying it’s unfair on SW because their Chairman has money, wants to spend it but can’t.
He said this rule would put off ambitious Chairmen from buying clubs, that’s when this expert replied
something like ‘Well it was actually a rule agreed at the Chairman’s meeting”

 

[Sean Thornton]

Don’t know, it was just something the FFP expert said on the Radio Sheffield FFP phone-in special this week.

A Wednesday fan rang up saying it’s unfair on SW because their Chairman has money, wants to spend it but can’t.
He said this rule would put off ambitious Chairmen from buying clubs, that’s when this expert replied
something like ‘Well it was actually a rule agreed at the Chairman’s meeting”

Couple of years ago. To try to get further alignment with the PL. Championship clubs agreed with the deal.

 

[Toronto Blade]

The rules are clear enough the owners know the rules and how to sneak around them.
The problem is a lenient punishment when they are caught.
The only way to stop the problem is if you are caught cheating instant relegation,tough on the fans ,well too bad .The greasy owner should have thought of the fans before he decided to be a filthy cheat.

 

[BushBlade]

Couple of years ago. To try to get further alignment with the PL. Championship clubs agreed with the deal.

So UEFA lay down a basic criteria and then each country’s governing bodies decide how that is implemented, it seems, according to this.

https://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/02/26/77/91/2267791_DOWNLOAD.pdf

I wasn’t aware of that.

 

[Topplayersleave]

Ah, good old British 'justice'. On Thursday I watched 'Fraud: How they steal your bank account' on ITV. One story was a mob from Ghana which was seizing bank cards in the post (bent post office staff) and swanning round London on blatant spending sprees. In one place, they bought seven smartscreen TVs and tried to stuff them in the back of their Mercedes; the car park CCTV caught them ramming the boxes in with their boots. They were buying masses of Gucci trainers etc. etc. Incredibly, the fraud squad caught them. Apart from one, they all got suspended sentences (like they'll be around to 'serve' it...)

But it's not as if Birmingham don't have 'form'. In 2014, then-owner Carson Yeung was jailed in Hong Kong for laundering HK$720 million (£55.4m) through his bank accounts between 2001 and 2007. He got 6 years but faces further charges. Brum's current 'owners' are 'Trillion Trophy Asia' , their main sponsor is 888sport (an online gambling racket) and a major sponsor is No.5 Chambers a large firm of (entirely reputable, I'm sure) barristers.



And you think these bent 'owners' wouldn't continue to run rings round the hapless idiots at EFL?

'How much have you lost, Mr. C?'

'Exactly £38m. The other millions you see on our (delayed) accounts went into decorating the stadium with my name (sponsorship), and made-up companies.'

'Move along. Nothing to see here.'

A mutual friend of ours was burgled a couple of weeks ago Bill
Big house, loads of stuff, owns a restaurant, you probably know who I mean.
He caught the woman burglar clutching tightly to the stuff she'd stolen, he called the police and made her wait until they arrived

Verdict, no arrest made as there wasn't enough evidence and they were considering arresting him for kidnap

Edit- shit sorry, quoted wrong person

 

[Isar]

A mutual friend of ours was burgled a couple of weeks ago Bill
Big house, loads of stuff, owns a restaurant, you probably know who I mean.
He caught the woman burglar clutching tightly to the stuff she'd stolen, he called the police and made her wait until they arrived

Verdict, no arrest made as there wasn't enough evidence and they were considering arresting him for kidnap

Edit- shit sorry, quoted wrong person

How many points did she have deducted?