Billy Sharp - most clinical in Championship?

[Blades Analytics]

https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foo...eason-1-9422239/amp?__twitter_impression=true

wrote something on how brilliant Billy's start has been with some numbers for context (because why wouldn't you compare Sharp to Messi!!)

NOTE: first stat regarding his overall goals per game ratio is wrong due to me making a bit of f**k up.....I'm no professional!

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I hate all these comparisons to players like Rooney and Messi.

Just stupid and pointless.

 

[Blades Analytics]

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I hate all these comparisons to players like Rooney and Messi.

Just stupid and pointless.

I'm not actually comparing Sharp to Messi. It's just context to show how utterly outrageous his strike rate is, when it's better than some of the greatest players in the world right now it helps to show just how well he's doing doesn't it?

 

[DronnieBlade]

UTB

 

[Muttley]

So Billy is 5 off equalling Ricky Lamberts record. Who if anyone is challenging him?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

it helps to show just how well he's doing doesn't it?

It doesn't at all, it's meaningless because you're not comparing like for like.

There will be non league players who have scored more goals than games this season but I think we would all agree it would be daft to include them.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Billy has scored 10 goals this season in the equivalent of 10 games if calculated on minutes played. The question of him scoring 20 goals this season is a a bit of a formality. In fact, if he only scores another 10 goals in the remaining 30 games then it will be a poor show by his standards. The only obstacle in the way of him hitting or exceeding 20 goals this season will be a serious injury or Wilder leaving him out of the team.

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

'The statistics that suggest Billy Sharp is capable of hitting the 20-goal mark for the Blades this season'

Did I miss something with that headline?

11 goals in 15 games means 9 more needed in 31 games. 2 less goals in twice as many games.
Now, I'm no mathematician by any means, but I'm reasonably confident I can work it out without needing to read any further

 

[SwissBlade]

It doesn't at all, it's meaningless because you're not comparing like for like.

There will be non league players who have scored more goals than games this season but I think we would all agree it would be daft to include them.

I guess it’s like saying that a team is unbeaten in 55 games... the reality is that the team has changed in that time and there has been a break over the close season etc etc... yet people still do it

I don’t think the OP is saying that Sharp is as good as messi, but saying that the industry bench mark is messi because of x,y,z and here is how billy Sharp compares on similar statistics. People use messi as the benchmark because he’s the most well known.

If Dave brown of stavely miners welfare fc has a more impressive record then it doesn’t really matter as people don’t recognise him

If you compare cars on 0-60 you’d compare to a Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari, not to a ginetta as it’s not a well known comparison

 

[knowsnowt]

'The statistics that suggest Billy Sharp is capable of hitting the 20-goal mark for the Blades this season'

Did I miss something with that headline?

11 goals in 15 games means 9 more needed in 31 games. 2 less goals in twice as many games.
Now, I'm no mathematician by any means, but I'm reasonably confident I can work it out without needing to read any further

Yeah but we've only played shit teams. Wednesday fan told me.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I don’t think the OP is saying that Sharp is as good as messi

Don't compare them then.

They should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

It's like with this Lambert/Rooney/Sharp stat that keeps getting brought up. I keep seeing people saying Sharp is the 2nd best goalscorer this century or whatever which is obviously tripe.

Premier League Goals

208 Rooney
31 Lambert
0 Sharp

There's no need to bring Rooney and Lambert into it. Why not just say that Sharp has scored more football league goals this century than any other player?

 

[SwissBlade]

Don't compare them then.

They should never be mentioned in the same sentence.

It's like with this Lambert/Rooney/Sharp stat that keeps getting brought up. I keep seeing people saying Sharp is the 2nd best goalscorer this century or whatever which is obviously tripe.

Premier League Goals

208 Rooney
31 Lambert
0 Sharp

There's no need to bring Rooney and Lambert into it. Why not just say that Sharp has scored more football league goals this century than any other player?

The point is that it adds value to it because it’s someone that they can benchmark against.

Incidentally, I also think that billy would score as many as messi in that Spanish league.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

The point is that it adds value to it because it’s someone that they can benchmark against.

Incidentally, I also think that billy would score as many as messi in that Spanish league.

There is no benchmark because they play at different levels in different leagues in different countries.

It's the same sport but that's immediately where the comparison ends.

 

[SwissBlade]

There is no benchmark because they play at different levels in different leagues in different countries.

It's the same sport but that's immediately where the comparison ends.

There is a benchmark, it’s the industry benchmark. In any industry you look at the best, where it’s relevant of course. You wouldn’t compare a goalkeeper with a striker. What is being said is that these are considered the best places in the world of football. This is how billy matches up on a number of different stats.

Anyway, you’ll be pleased to know that Blades Analytics doesnt dwell on the comparisons too much, but makes a very good point about billy using a number of different benchmarks such as current top best strikers in the division, the efl and also previous top goal scorers from the past few years.

 

[1066blade]

Yeah but we've only played shit teams. Wednesday fan told me.

Not true, we've played some decent teams as well, just lost to them.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Yeah but we've only played shit teams. Wednesday fan told me.

Yeah ... And we haven’t played any team who is above us in the league!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Billy was washed up and finished last season according to some bright sparks on here.

 

[Rodley]

I guess it’s like saying that a team is unbeaten in 55 games... the reality is that the team has changed in that time and there has been a break over the close season etc etc... yet people still do it

I don’t think the OP is saying that Sharp is as good as messi, but saying that the industry bench mark is messi because of x,y,z and here is how billy Sharp compares on similar statistics. People use messi as the benchmark because he’s the most well known.

If Dave brown of stavely miners welfare fc has a more impressive record then it doesn’t really matter as people don’t recognise him

If you compare cars on 0-60 you’d compare to a Porsche, Lambo or Ferrari, not to a ginetta as it’s not a well known comparison

If you’re a miserable sod you’ll moan about owt

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Billy was washed up and finished last season according to some bright sparks on here.

He’s having a wonderful debut year in the MLS is Sharp – a shame he never stuck around.

 

[RealMcCoy]

His legs have gone. Need another striker.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Billy was washed up and finished last season according to some bright sparks on here.

Got to hold my hand up and admit I was wrong too.
Never thought he was finished but did think his age meant a natural deterioration Noticed last season that in some games he did disappear (Keith Edwards style). So there was a case of if he scored then great but if he doesn’t score then his contribution to the team was low.

However this season he seems fitter and stronger/ more muscular than previous seasons.
He also seems fired up/ confident as though he expects to receive the ball when he makes his runs.
I’ve been impressed with his overall game and contribution (not just the goals) and he deserves the plaudits.

 

[tomtheblade]

I don't see any problem with comparing stats from players who are at different levels of the football pyramid.

If Sheffield United are looking for a defensive midfielder who can play in the championship, then searching for someone who covers as much ground and makes as many interceptions as N'Golo Kante is a logical way to go about it, even if the market we're shopping in is L1 rather than the Prem. Sure, Kante is a much better player, but that doesn't stop us comparing specific attributes.

I think it's a common misconception in the game to think that, on any comparison, only overall quality matters, when in fact this is a very narrow way of looking at it. It's possible to break down performance in so many ways, and helps give fans an understanding of what lies behind the performance of their team. This is also what clubs use to scout players and assess performance levels as well, so it's hardly controversial to use the same methodology in analysing the game.