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I'm always in 2 minds regards clubs like Burton, Fleetwood and even Wimbledon in the 80's.

It was a fairy tale when Wimbledon reached the PL but our lowest gate of the season used to be against Wimbledon, it was seen as the least attractive match and they would bring normally 100 supporters.

It a fairy tale to see Burton in the Championship. The Pirelli stadium only holds 6,900 but in their best ever season they've failed to fill their home end once this season.

Fleetwoods Highbury stadium holds only 5,300. Sunday is the biggest match in their entire history but again there's plenty of tickets left in the home end. If we play in the Championship they'll struggle to take 100 away fans to their matches. In fact seeing Fleetwood in a Wembley playoff final could be really strange because their popiulation is 25K, so they will do well to take 10K to Wembley.

Once the novelty wears off, there's little attraction to playing clubs like Wimbledon, Burton and Fleetwood.
 
Trouble is, Fleetwood have got Martyn Woolfood in their squad. In any event can't see Peterborough beating Bolton away. I can actually see Bolton being more likely to be relegated from the championship than Fleetwood even though they're a bigger club, so wouldn't really mind either way tbh
 
Sheffsteel said:
I'm always in 2 minds regards clubs like Burton, Fleetwood and even Wimbledon in the 80's.

It was a fairy tale when Wimbledon reached the PL but our lowest gate of the season used to be against Wimbledon, it was seen as the least attractive match and they would bring normally 100 supporters.

It a fairy tale to see Burton in the Championship. The Pirelli stadium only holds 6,900 but in their best ever season they've failed to fill their home end once this season.

Fleetwoods Highbury stadium holds only 5,300. Sunday is the biggest match in their entire history but again there's plenty of tickets left in the home end. If we play in the Championship they'll struggle to take 100 away fans to their matches. In fact seeing Fleetwood in a Wembley playoff final could be really strange because their popiulation is 25K, so they will do well to take 10K to Wembley.

Once the novelty wears off, there's little attraction to playing clubs like Wimbledon, Burton and Fleetwood.
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Wimbledon did it largely through Bassett's ability as a manager though (and others that succeeded him) whereas Fleetwood have a wealthy owner who's obviously thrown a lot of money at them. Look at the size of their squad on Wiki. I don't really find it impressive or romantic, just financial doping.

Fleetwood will never be big enough to support a big football team and, like Wigan, when their owner stops putting money in, they'll sink back to their natural level. It's just a vanity project.
 
when burton and fleetwood played in the league 2 playoff final, 3 years back the overall attendence was 14007... they are the two smallest teams in the entire football league nevermind league 1 and the championship.
which is all the more reason to commend them i know theyve both had financial backing but theyre not exactly owned by billionaires are they.
plus who doesnt love an underdog :)
 
Good luck to Fleetwood. Take away the possibilites for clubs like them,Burton and the Dons and you might as well close the door and turn the light off with football.
Who fucking cares how small their crowds are? I thought football success was based on what teams do ON the fucking pitch.
Far rather see clubs like them gatecrashing the party than endless showings of utter cunts like Man you,Citeh,Chelsea and all the other cunts owned by bent cunt billionaires.
 
I know what you're all saying but it'd be pretty boring if the number of supporters a club has solely defines success.

What hope would that leave you as a supporter of one of the smaller teams? Even in a case like ours, surely the big top flight teams could have the 'ugh, Sheffield United isn't a glamorous fixture' attitude, 'only 50k turn up to watch us play them.'

Plus Wednesday would be winning the Premier League every year.

Hope Fleetwood do it. Don't think they will however.
 
SteveBlade said:
I know what you're all saying but it'd be pretty boring if the number of supporters a club has solely defines success.

What hope would that leave you as a supporter of one of the smaller teams? Even in a case like ours, surely the big top flight teams could have the 'ugh, Sheffield United isn't a glamorous fixture' attitude, 'only 50k turn up to watch us play them.'

Plus Wednesday would be winning the Premier League every year.

Hope Fleetwood do it. Don't think they will however.
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I'm not saying that. I like seeing Burton in the championship and I hope they stay up because they've built their success over a number of years and, as far as I'm aware, without ever splashing the cash. I respect that and I'm impressed by it.
 
Bournemouth are currently enjoying the prem , but it wont last as theres too many clubs with greater resources, Monaco get away with it in France but they are never short of money and ligue 1 doesnt have the prems depth, But smaller clubs are as much entitled to a few days in the sunshine as any if they earn it.
Carlisle Northampton , , even Coventry were all div 4 clubs when I started watching football , all made it to the top , but have eventually dropped back
 
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blade too long said:
Bournemouth are currently enjoying the prem , but it wont last as theres too many clubs with greater resources, Monaco get away with it in France but they are never short of money and ligue 1 doesnt have the prems depth, But smaller clubs are as much entitled to a few days in the sunshine as any if they earn it.
Carlisle Northampton , , even Coventry were all div 4 clubs when I started watching football , all made it to the top , but have eventually dropped back
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Stoke,Watford,WBA,Palace,Leicester.
Five average outfits well established in the top flight ahead of "massive" things like Sunderland and Newcastle.
There is absolutely no reason on earth Bourenmouth can't stay there.
The fact is that revenue from turnstile is fuck all in terms of most clubs income .
Bourenmouth house 11k but still get tens of millions through sly etc. Throw in a more than halfway decent manager and you're on the way.
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
Stoke,Watford,WBA,Palace,Leicester.
Five average outfits well established in the top flight ahead of "massive" things like Sunderland and Newcastle.
There is absolutely no reason on earth Bourenmouth can't stay there.
The fact is that revenue from turnstile is fuck all in terms of most clubs income .
Bourenmouth house 11k but still get tens of millions through sly etc. Throw in a more than halfway decent manager and you're on the way.
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think once the manager goes , they will drop
 
BushBlade said:
Wimbledon did it largely through Bassett's ability as a manager though (and others that succeeded him) whereas Fleetwood have a wealthy owner who's obviously thrown a lot of money at them. Look at the size of their squad on Wiki. I don't really find it impressive or romantic, just financial doping.

Fleetwood will never be big enough to support a big football team and, like Wigan, when their owner stops putting money in, they'll sink back to their natural level. It's just a vanity project.
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I know what you're saying on a financial level but I prefer to think of the young lads that, when surrounded by their mates in Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverscum etc etc shirts, said "no. Fuck you all. I'm going to go and watch my local team, and be a real, genuine football supporter, and not a plastic, gloryhunting twat." I would never want to deny those fans their dreams, or their moments in the sun, because that is what football should be all about. If (BIG IF) Noblot lose and Fleetwood win on sunday, it will mean as much if not more to the Fleetwood fans than our spectacular achievements this season mean to us, and I would be very, very happy for them.

Edit - always remember that the lows make the highs so much higher :)
 

seanbeenstattoo said:
They may well. The point is still perfectly valid though.
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it is , but when smaller clubs do well its a combination of being well run financially and having an above average manager , but they need both to maintain their position
They are pulling players good enough due to the manager other clubs have travelled this path before ,


Stoke,Watford,WBA,Palace,Leicester. have throughout my fifty odd years been in and around the top flight
my first game was a cup semi in 61 v leicester
all have won a cup where as we havent
all have won the championship title too

clubs in big cities like newcastle with only one club will get bigger gates
once wednesday fold soon we will get similar gates
 
Really? I seem to remember Watford being a Division 4/3/2 club for most of my life. Taylor dragged them up.The others have spent plenty of time out of the top flight.
You keep refering to smaller clubs.
What defines small. I discount crowds as it's a red herring. Chelsea got 7k the game before we were there in the cup losing 1-0 in the 6th round in the 90's. Are they a small club?
 
seanbeenstattoo said:
Really? I seem to remember Watford being a Division 4/3/2 club for most of my life. Taylor dragged them up.The others have spent plenty of time out of the top flight.
You keep refering to smaller clubs.
What defines small. I discount crowds as it's a red herring. Chelsea got 7k the game before we were there in the cup losing 1-0 in the 6th round in the 90's. Are they a small club?
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small , rochdale crewe colchester , teams that rarely venture bove league one and take 100 away fans
all clubs got small gates in the seventies , newcastle had 8000 v bristol rovers we had sub 10000 gates
even the massive got shit crowds
 
Personally I dont like the use of "small clubs". It implies inferiorty and irrelevance. Every club is massive in the eyes of it's own fans and that's all that matters. Regarding league position I agree some are more successful than others. In fact successful is the word I shall use. Not big or small.
 
I think it is clearer cut than the term big club , are you big because you constantly win things Id say so
whereas newcastle have big crowd , but win as much as we do

Sheffield Wednesday v Aldershot, 21 February 1976
Score 3-1 to Sheffield Wednesday
Competition League Division Three
Attendance 8,430

We could claim averaging 21000 this season to be 3 times bigger than the above club
 
Attendances , facilities , history , tradition , quality of the pies ...... it all means sweet F.A . Where you are in the leagues is where you belong to be .
 
It would take a failure of epic proportions for Bolton to blow it but the fact remains that it is possible and I'd love nothing more than to see the smug self righteous Bolton chairmans smile wiped from his face, not to mention narky Parky and gobshite Madine.
 
spongebobblade said:
It would take a failure of epic proportions for Bolton to blow it but the fact remains that it is possible and I'd love nothing more than to see the smug self righteous Bolton chairmans smile wiped from his face, not to mention narky Parky and gobshite Madine.
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my thoughts exactly
unlikely but we live in hope
 
Germans are deeply sensitive to clubs, 'buying' their way to success. Just look at the demonstrations at every one of Red Bull Leipzig's games. Hoffenheim, on the other hand, are applauded for their efforts, despite being heavily backed, initially, by software man. Fleetwood is a strange one. They do have the potential to draw in fans from Blackpool and other surrounding towns. I don't think they have spent outrageously; last season they escaped relegation on the last day. Roughly the same squad, different manager, have worked wonders this season. IMO they deserve to go up. One more thing, I hate the Premier League. I watched Man City v Man U last night. Bored does not adequately describe how I felt. I love watching lower league football, that's what has made this season oh so special for me.
 
blade too long said:
I think it is clearer cut than the term big club , are you big because you constantly win things Id say so
whereas newcastle have big crowd , but win as much as we do

Sheffield Wednesday v Aldershot, 21 February 1976
Score 3-1 to Sheffield Wednesday
Competition League Division Three
Attendance 8,430

We could claim averaging 21000 this season to be 3 times bigger than the above club
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I'm quite sure they got a sub-7000 crowd v Colchester in the old 3rd division
 
I am hoping for Fleetwood, because my money will be on Scunny to win the playoffs, they seem to have come back to form again.

Bolton to have 7 years in the wilderness ........ Shame.
 
blade too long said:
Bournemouth are currently enjoying the prem , but it wont last as theres too many clubs with greater resources, Monaco get away with it in France but they are never short of money and ligue 1 doesnt have the prems depth, But smaller clubs are as much entitled to a few days in the sunshine as any if they earn it.
Carlisle Northampton , , even Coventry were all div 4 clubs when I started watching football , all made it to the top , but have eventually dropped back
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Interesting point, did you know, that after Arsenal, Coventry hold the record for the longest term in the top division without relegation, 33 years (I think) amazing really to witness their tragic demise.
 
1066blade said:
Interesting point, did you know, that after Arsenal, Coventry hold the record for the longest term in the top division without relegation, 33 years (I think) amazing really to witness their tragic demise.
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Everton? Liverpool? Man U?
 

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