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It's late today as I was having a wisdom tooth out :-(

On the no. 8 McCall won by another landslide leaving our dream squad as follows:

1. Paddy Kenny
2. Matt Lowton
3. Wayne Quinn
4. Nick Montgomery
5. Chris Morgan
6. Phil Jagielka
7. Michael Brown
8. Stuart McCall

On the no.7 run off for the nightmare squad, Mendez-Laing, beat Flynn by one vote leaving that squad thus:

1. Steve Simonsen
2. Daryl Westlake
3. Gary Flitcroft
4. Danny Higginbotham
5. Rob Kozluk
6. Nyron Nosworthy
7. Nathaniel Mendez-Laing

We need another run off for the no.8. Pericard, Gray and Britton all got no votes. Stokes got one, but I have disallowed it as an obvious "joke". So the run off is between those four.

Time for the no.9's. My designated nightmare candidates here are Thomas, Ward, Lupoli and Porter. Anyone voting for them will have their votes disallowed unless they post a reasoned justification in the thread.

As before, you only vote for the time they wore the no.9 shirt. Players wore other numbers as follows:

Bent: n0.37 2011
Asaba: no.17 March-May 2001
Shipperley: no. 24 2006-07
Beattie: no.6 2007-08, no. 10 2011-12
Porter: no.21 2011-12
 



Beattie 1st time round was our mot complete striker since Deane. Hulse would have kept us up in my opinion had he not broken his leg, and would have got my vote if so, but on individual perofrmances BT gets it for me.
 
I am astonished Ched is rivalling Beattie and Hulse. Bear in mind he was hopeless against 2nd division defences and only came good when we were playing in the 3rd division.
 
I thought Lupoli looked a class act on the ball and was a bit disappointed we didn't sign him in the end.

I'm torn between Beattie, Hulse, Asaba and Shipperley.
 
Just had a thought. What number did Brian Deane have when he made his fairly pointless old man cameo comeback? Serious question, i have no idea. I voted for Marcelo dos Santos Cipriano. Do i get disqualified?? Perfectly serious, if deliberately rebelious, vote. I know Beattie will win it. Cracking (well sometimes cracking) player Marcelo. Don't care what anybody says. Miles better than Ched Evans ffs. What did he do apart from in division 3?? Marcelo deserves a vote or two. Not right convinced he wore number 9 very often, but i don't really notice numbers much so i'll go with it.
 
KenMcnaughtsNuts said:
Just had a thought. What number did Brian Deane have when he made his fairly pointless old man cameo comeback? Serious question, i have no idea. I voted for Marcelo dos Santos Cipriano. Do i get disqualified?? Perfectly serious, if deliberately rebelious, vote. I know Beattie will win it. Cracking (well sometimes cracking) player Marcelo. Don't care what anybody says. Miles better than Ched Evans ffs. What did he do apart from in division 3?? Marcelo deserves a vote or two. Not right convinced he wore number 9 very often, but i don't really notice numbers much so i'll go with it.
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Deane was no.27.

Marcelo's time covered by this poll is from Aug-Oct 99.
 
HMS did a great job for that team, right place right time. Best No.9 is a different story.

With BT, you'd have to judge him on his 1st spell for the No.9 shirt and as others have said, did we get three years of 'best striker' from Chedwyn ? In fact there's several in the list who had great spells / cameos, mixed with periods of indifference.
 
Although Beattie was great for us under Blackwell you've got to remember he was utter shite for us under Wilson, he was number 10 with Wilson and surely he's a candidate for the worst number 10??
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
HMS did a great job for that team, right place right time. Best No.9 is a different story.

With BT, you'd have to judge him on his 1st spell for the No.9 shirt and as others have said, did we get three years of 'best striker' from Chedwyn ? In fact there's several in the list who had great spells / cameos, mixed with periods of indifference.
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For the number 9 shirt, it's only Beattie's half season and 12 goals in 08-09. He was no.6 the previous season.
 
Darren said:
I am astonished Ched is rivalling Beattie and Hulse. Bear in mind he was hopeless against 2nd division defences and only came good when we were playing in the 3rd division.
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Completely agree - ridiculous.
 
Darren said:
Deane was no.27.

Marcelo's time covered by this poll is from Aug-Oct 99.
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Who is he competing with for the coveted number 27 jersey?

It says you're only voting for the time they wore the number 9 shirt. Doesn't say any time they wore it before 1999 is disqualified. Not that i have any idea how often he wore it before then anyway. And yes, i know it says best number 9 since 1999. Did he wear number 9 for Birmingham?? Doesn't say it has to be just with us! Anyway i voted for him. Not my fault you started all this from 1999. And if you disqualify his vote, you're a big rotten meanie!
 
Darren said:
I am astonished Ched is rivalling Beattie and Hulse. Bear in mind he was hopeless against 2nd division defences and only came good when we were playing in the 3rd division.
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Beattie Mk1 was by far the most prolific striker on that list. Ched Evans shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath...

Beattie scored 34 in 62 games (ok he wore #6 for his first season)
Evans scored 42 in 103 games.

It's not a contest.

I would have Beatties babies
 
Voted for Hulse, he was excellent in the Premier, and it was a season-changing blow when he broke his leg.

I also thought about Shipperley, who played the target man role very well in the promotion season.
 



Tough, tough choice. We've actually had a few quality strikers since 1999.

I went for HMS Shipps. He just edged Hulse out, mainly due to Hulse being gash after he broke his leg. Neil Shipperley was absolutely intergral to us going up in 2005/6. A proper striker. The only rival for a striker that led the line the best since Deane is Rob Hulse. Shipps was fantastic in our promotion season. He held the ball up brilliantly, was a nuisance all the time, brough other players into the game and formed excellent partnerships with Kabba (firstly) and Webber.

Evans was decent, but it is telling that he only started to bang goals in in the third tier. You can argue about confidence, but it was the drop in standards that made Evans look better than what he is. Don't get me wrong, he was on fire. His movement was good, he is a decent finisher and the goal spoke for themselves. But (in my opinion) it is unfair to compare with the likes of Hulse and Shipperly as he was tearing much poorer defences apart. The Beattie comparison is much fairer, but I never rated him. Beattie was a decent free kick taker, penalty taker and natural finisher. But he was lazy, not a team player and contributed little to open play. I am sure the debates will start again, but the fact is that we actually achieved better results without Beattie.
 
Ollessendro said:
I went for HMS Shipps. He just edged Hulse out, mainly due to Hulse being gash after he broke his leg. Neil Shipperley was absolutely intergral to us going up in 2005/6. A proper striker. The only rival for a striker that led the line the best since Deane is Rob Hulse. Shipps was fantastic in our promotion season. He held the ball up brilliantly, was a nuisance all the time, brough other players into the game and formed excellent partnerships with Kabba (firstly) and Webber.
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Precisely the same reasons I went for HMS.

Also worth remembering that in that promotion season he was our top goalscorer too, in addition to all the work he did helping those around him. A stunning 11 goals.
 
Very tough this.
  • Marcelo was excellent for us, but probably won't get the vote as he signed for Birmingham in 1999 so not many games are covered here.
  • Marcus Bent (1st edition) was also a great striker for us, but only around for just over a season.
  • Shipperley wasn't necessarily a great individual player but performed a tremendous job in the promotion season, but again that was just one season, and although it was a great effort for the team that year he didn't score that many goals.
  • Hulse was great for us in the Prem, just a shame for him and us that it came to an abrupt end.
  • Beattie was about the only shining light in the first season after relegation, but as he was wearing 6 that can't count, the following season he was only around for half of it so probably won't get my vote.
  • Evans as we all know was outstanding in the 3rd tier, but was hopeless in the Championship and in my opinion lost us promotion as much as helping us battle for it with his off-field stupidity.
So, all have their positives but none of them consistently for very long. Still don't know who to vote for....

Thomas, Lupoli or Porter for worst.
 
Would any of the 19 voters who voted for Evans who banged them in in the 3rd Division as opposed to Beattie and Hulse who banged them in in the PL and top of the 2nd tier care explaing their votes. Genuine query by the way.
 
Darren said:
Would any of the 19 voters who voted for Evans who banged them in in the 3rd Division as opposed to Beattie and Hulse who banged them in in the PL and top of the 2nd tier care explaing their votes. Genuine query by the way.
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Hows about we leave people to vote for who THEY think deserves the best number 9 spot?
 
Apart from around 5 who were , shite , lazy , or just rubbish , the rest have good for and against claim , but being a realist , prob 4 , hulse , ships , BT, and for this div , evans , so I'm going for Hulse . Ran a close 2nd by ships .
 
For the impact he had at the time he did, Neil Shipperley. 11 goals in the promotion season. Beattie and Ched didn't ultimately have the same impact, although if McCabe hadn't sold Beattie it might have been a different story.
 
true99blade said:
Hows about we leave people to vote for who THEY think deserves the best number 9 spot?
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People can vote for whoever they like. I am just curious as to why a fair number of people think our best no.9 was someone who only did it in the 3rd division.
 
Darren said:
People can vote for whoever they like. I am just curious as to why a fair number of people think our best no.9 was someone who only did it in the 3rd division.
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Indeed, my memory of Ched in the Second Division is that he was bobbins.
 
I voted Ched because when used correctly he was far more prolific than the others, Wilson found the way that suited Cheds game where the hoofwaffe managers failed. I think the poll is a fair reflection on the merits of each player and I could have voted for Beattie, Ships or Hulse but didn't because Hulse missed as many as he scored Ships was near the end of his career and Beattie I thought was over rated considering the huge wage he was on, he too was nearing the end of his career. Ched was a young lad with bags of potential who would only improve, I don't accept he only had one good season, he had good spells on loan elsewhere notably at Norwich, not really his fault he had to be part of the dreadful line up that was relegated from the championship with the likes of ale house Mickey in charge.
 



metalblade said:
I voted Ched because when used correctly he was far more prolific than the others, Wilson found the way that suited Cheds game where the hoofwaffe managers failed. I think the poll is a fair reflection on the merits of each player and I could have voted for Beattie, Ships or Hulse but didn't because Hulse missed as many as he scored Ships was near the end of his career and Beattie I thought was over rated considering the huge wage he was on, he too was nearing the end of his career. Ched was a young lad with bags of potential who would only improve, I don't accept he only had one good season, he had good spells on loan elsewhere notably at Norwich, not really his fault he had to be part of the dreadful line up that was relegated from the championship with the likes of ale house Mickey in charge.
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Beattie scored 34 goals in one and a half seasons in the second tier, Evans got 13 in 2 seasons. You don't think that gives you an idea of how good they were vis-a-vis each other?

I really don't buy this "Ched was awful because of crap managers and crap players around him". He played under threee managers - Blackwell, Speed and Adams - in the 2nd tier and was mediocre at best and dreadful at worse under all of them. In addition in 2009-10 he was part of a team challenging for the play offs most of the season. I venture to suggest that had our "star" striker been capable of more than 4 goals that might have made the difference between the 8th place finish we had and a play off place.

Oh, and the idea is to compare their performances when they wore the shirt in question. Not for potential or performances at other clubs.
 
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