Basset Article

[Westran]

The title suggests that the author, at least, knows what he's talking about. Me, I'm a simple man. I know the best (only) way to play football. It's the way the best teams play. Not a quantum leap in logic, save at Jurassic Lane.

You sound like a man who has never played football.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The thing is Bassett learned a lot from the under rated footballing genius that was Charles Hughes, who did some in-depth analysis and came to the theory that most goals were scored resulting from moves that involved 3 passes or less, and he also coined the POMO (position of maximum opportunity) theory, which makes perfect sense.

I think one of the problems with modern day football is too many teams fanny about with the ball playing nice looking tippy tappy passes to one and another in the middle of the park, when the better option would be launching it down the channels for players to run on to, and when they have got it wide, they look for the easy pass rather than more sensibly throwing the ball in to the mixer.

I can remember Tranmere spending years in the second tier, and one of their most successful tactics they employed was having a long throw specialist who could throw the ball long in to the mixer, creating more POMO's, and it was a widely under-rated tactic, but one very much appreciated by the Tranmere fans who would sound an air raid siren whenever they got a throw in deep inside the oppositon half, and sent the big lads up to get on the ball when it got thrown in to the mixer.

Dave Challinor was the long throw specialist. The Chief was one of those big lads.


Although I read an article not so long back (might have been on here) discrediting Reep’s 3 pass theory pointing out certain factors that the statistical analysis failed to take into account and partly blaming him for the shambles that is our current national game.


Personally, I don’t think there is a one size fits all way of playing. It’s about players and their attributes and playing a way that gets the best out of them though we all have our preferred styles for entertainment purposes.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Certainly when they gave us a lesson in playing football at Wembley. It could indeed have been 10-1.

There's a deep irony here. You lot constitute the few remaining devotees of grotesque Hughes/Bassett anti-football, POMO and all that pseudo-analytical shite, yet I'm the buffoon! I really must consult the real world.

Only in deepest, darkest S2....

Yep. I’m sure the difference was all down to the managerial approaches and not the fact that one team was littered with international players (was it 5 England internationals in their team that day?) whilst the other had players procured for a pittance from Doncaster, Sutton, Preston etc. Yet we took it to extra time because our then manager had managed to procure a world class goalkeeper for very little money.


Just seen this from the Star today from our gaffer


“There’s a poster up in our changing room saying what Unitedites want,” Wilder revealed. “A team which gives everything for the shirt. If you are prepared to do that then, allied with ability, it should serve you well. I’ve never thought fans ask for much but, quite rightly, that is something they demand.”


You like to pretend that our fans don’t care about ability and are only interested in graft and that we want a team full of Monty, Done, Booker, Morgs etc. when it’s simply not true. We just recognize the value of their efforts as a platform for other more talented players to flourish. You harp on about how thankfully Tufty doesn’t think like us when the above paragraph suggests that he very much does. Give all for the shirt. Have some quality in the team to add to that and you will go far.


You seem only able to grasp the importance of ability and rarely acknowledge the relevance of giving everything for the shirt. Bassett’s teams gave everything for the shirt and had some ability (granted not as much as Harris’ team).

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It was hardly Nostradamus stuff most of us said it at the time anyway.

Limited, cheaply assembled football team sells the one exceptional outfield player they have having relied heavily on said player to keep them up the last few years. Nah, only the genius of Pinchy could predict relegation in that scenario.

 

[Kenilworth]

Well... that Pinchy guy is a self-righteous twat isn't he.

Nah, he's not so self righteous

 

[Kenilworth]

Yes, yes he is.

And has fuck-all to base it on either. A cretin of the first degree.

Nah - Pinchy is sound enough - you just have to take some of what he says with a good pinch of salt.
A bit like most of us on here - don't tek it too seriously.

 

[Pinchy]

You sound like a man who has never played football.

I have. Not bad, either. I expect professionals to offer a little bit more than supercharged versions of you and me. If you all favour alehouse football so much it's available every Sunday morning at a public park near you. Me, I want to be out of my seat cheering something special rather than to see the ball flying over the stand.

 

[siblade]

http://s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/chris-wilder-new-blades-boss.29796/page-9#post-498520

Tells you all you need to know

 

[Pinchy]

Bit like the double, 2 - 0 and 3 - 1, they slapped the fuck out of us then didn't they

I think I rumbled you mate, you're a pig.

Ah Ted, Ted, Teddy...

You know, there are people on here who sometimes disagree profoundly with what I say, but will unanimously assure you that latter proposition is bollocky bollocks.

Are you right there, Ted?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Bit like the double, 2 - 0 and 3 - 1, they slapped the fuck out of us then didn't they

I think I rumbled you mate, you're a pig.

In his case, Pigs have more credibility.

 

[Westran]

I have. Not bad, either. I expect professionals to offer a little bit more than supercharged versions of you and me. If you all favour alehouse football so much it's available every Sunday morning at a public park near you. Me, I want to be out of my seat cheering something special rather than to see the ball flying over the stand.

The point is there is more than one style of football, look at Leicester last year. Sometimes you've got to make the best of the tools you have available to you, unfortunately we can't all afford players like Messi and it'd be daft to try and play like them

 

[Pinchy]

The point is there is more than one style of football, look at Leicester last year. Sometimes you've got to make the best of the tools you have available to you, unfortunately we can't all afford players like Messi and it'd be daft to try and play like them

I'm very happy with Tuftyball actually. Proper football; passing with purpose. Effective and aesthetically pleasing as well. Something that has often been claimed impossible on here. "You can't play your way out of the lower leagues". Bollocks. That's exactly the way to do it. It's just that we don't want to. In S2 we're stuck in the dark ages and lovin' it. Nowhere else do they cling onto grotesque, discredited, redundant anti-football.

It's an embarrassment.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Nah - Pinchy is sound enough - you just have to take some of what he says with a good pinch of salt.
A bit like most of us on here - don't tek it too seriously.

No, he's a cancerous individual whose sustained vendettas and agendas expose him for being the vile, snivelling individual that he is.
A crybully who scuttles into the shadows whenever anyone stands up to him. Cowardice personified.

And they're his better traits.

 

[Kenilworth]

No, he's a cancerous individual whose sustained vendettas and agendas expose him for being the vile, snivelling individual that he is.
A crybully who scuttles into the shadows whenever anyone stands up to him. Cowardice personified.

And they're his better traits.

I'd still buy both of you a beer if we got stuck in a pub

Might have to sit in between yer, though

 

[Tyler Durden]

I'd still buy both of you a beer if we got stuck in a pub

Might have to sit in between yer, though

Mines a Guinness

He'll have a white wine spritzer.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Certainly when they gave us a lesson in playing football at Wembley. It could indeed have been 10-1.

I'm not one to accuse people of being Pigs, but reading this I do wonder. Wednesday's goalkeeper that day cost £1.2 million, how much had our entire staring 11 cost? You also leave out the double we did over them in 1991/1992, the second match of which we could well heave beaten them by more than the 3-1 scoreline we did.

It is bizarre, when the subject of Tricky Trev comes up, that any Blade should totally leave out the two occasions in one season that we beat his Pig side and, instead, leap to the '93 Cup semi final.

I've long thought you tedious. I now smell bacon.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm very happy with Tuftyball actually. Proper football; passing with purpose. Effective and aesthetically pleasing as well. Something that has often been claimed impossible on here. "You can't play your way out of the lower leagues". Bollocks. That's exactly the way to do it. It's just that we don't want to. In S2 we're stuck in the dark ages and lovin' it. Nowhere else do they cling onto grotesque, discredited, redundant anti-football.

It's an embarrassment.

Everyone is living this football Pinchy. You're having an argument with the mirror again.

UTB

 

[Bert]

I'm not one to accuse people of being Pigs, but reading this I do wonder. Wednesday's goalkeeper that day cost £1.2 million, how much had our entire staring 11 cost? You also leave out the double we did over them in 1991/1992, the second match of which we could well heave beaten them by more than the 3-1 scoreline we did.

It is bizarre, when the subject of Tricky Trev comes up, that any Blade should totally leave out the two occasions in one season that we beat his Pig side and, instead, leap to the '93 Cup semi final.

I've long thought you tedious. I now smell bacon.

Ludicrous to accuse him of being a Wednesdayite. Have you just come back from the pub?

 

[oldblade]

I'm not one to accuse people of being Pigs, but reading this I do wonder. Wednesday's goalkeeper that day cost £1.2 million, how much had our entire staring 11 cost? You also leave out the double we did over them in 1991/1992, the second match of which we could well heave beaten them by more than the 3-1 scoreline we did.

It is bizarre, when the subject of Tricky Trev comes up, that any Blade should totally leave out the two occasions in one season that we beat his Pig side and, instead, leap to the '93 Cup semi final.

I've long thought you tedious. I now smell bacon.

The fact is that, regardless of what he thinks, the final score was only 2-1 not 10-1, and after 90 minutes it was 1-1. It took almost all of the 30 minutes extra time for them to get the winner.

In the past on other threads Pinchy has claimed there is no such thing as being lucky or unlucky in football. If you have 20 or 30 chances and fail to score it is not down to bad luck, it is down to your own side's deficiencies (so his argument goes). In which case he cannot now infer that we were lucky not to lose 10-1.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Ludicrous to accuse him of being a Wednesdayite. Have you just come back from the pub?

Have you just come back from his sauna?

 

[blade too long]

The fact is that, regardless of what he thinks, the final score was only 2-1 not 10-1, and after 90 minutes it was 1-1. It took almost all of the 30 minutes extra time for them to get the winner.

In the past on other threads Pinchy has claimed there is no such thing as being lucky or unlucky in football. If you have 20 or 30 chances and fail to score it is not down to bad luck, it is down to your own side's deficiencies (so his argument goes). In which case he cannot now infer that we were lucky not to lose 10-1.

I remember 10 man QPR being absolutely out played in a play off final ,scoring in the 89th minute to gain promotion
they were very lucky not to lose 10 -1,
We played second fiddle to the pigs that day , but kept in it till the end ,we were unlucky not to commit day light robbery

depends how you look at it
if Corky had mis hit a second goal we would have took it
its happened to us often enough

walsall a month ago for starters

 

[Bert]

Have you just come back from his sauna?

Yeah, it's at the bottom of Herries Rd.

 

[Snowman]

Have you just come back from his sauna?

Oh very clever.

 

[Snowman]

In S2 we're stuck in the dark ages and lovin' it. Nowhere else do they cling onto grotesque, discredited, redundant anti-football.

What is this "we're"? Is not the manager and team playing as you wish? Are not the fans getting behind the team, turning up and supporting?Who is clinging to to grotesque discredited redundant anti football? Is this because some supporters recognise a different way to go about things which at one time was necessary and successful? Maybe not now, but then, very necessary. Pray explain?

 

[Valleyblade]

Bassett is a de facto Blades legend. No argument. With limited resources he did better than anyone else could have done at the time.

I wouldn't completely fall out with the sort of condescending stick man person for his point of view, but would argue in that not all our football, before the board fucked him over was that bad. At times we did play a bit. You don't simply beat top teams with some notion of "anti football". The players have to be able to compete with other top athletes.

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Ah Ted, Ted, Teddy...

You know, there are people on here who sometimes disagree profoundly with what I say, but will unanimously assure you that latter proposition is bollocky bollocks.

Are you right there, Ted?

Oh I'm right here Pinchipoos, still chuckling that you brought up the one game where the grunters got the upper hand but conveniently forgot the occasions where Bassett's Blades outfought and outplayed them. Your following of the Blades must be a little warped if that's the way your selective memory works.

We all want good football, we all want hard working players, but most of all we want a degree of success. I don't mind if we get that in a pretty way or as ugly as fuck, it's all about the moolah.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

As in most things in life, you can only play the cards you're dealt - we were skint, with a board and chairman who knew jackshit about football. Dave Bassett knew how to put a team together, get them playing for the shirt, and he was rightly loved by the fans.

The cards we were dealt did not require proper football, they required pride and passion to win....

....and we did.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

As in most things in life, you can only play the cards you're dealt - we were skint, with a board and chairman who knew jackshit about football. Dave Bassett knew how to put a team together, get them playing for the shirt, and he was rightly loved by the fans.

The cards we were dealt did not require proper football, they required pride and passion to win....

....and we did.

And as a lad who was 14-22 during his time at the club, I've taken that influence with me.

Whenever I've been up against it there's always been the "Bassett's Blade" in me to come out fighting.

Couldn't give 2 shits what the football looked like then. It wasn't only the first United side I saw give it out to the big boys - it was a team who played with a spirit that was inspiring.

I wasn't born when we had a team that played football to die for - I never had that privilege. I did however have a team that I felt would go out and die for the shirt - and that, for me, was down to Bassett.

 

[Pinchy]

What is this "we're"? Is not the manager and team playing as you wish? Are not the fans getting behind the team, turning up and supporting?Who is clinging to to grotesque discredited redundant anti football? Is this because some supporters recognise a different way to go about things which at one time was necessary and successful? Maybe not now, but then, very necessary. Pray explain?

Because hardly a day goes by without someone bringing up fucking Bassett. It cries out for someone to provide a little balance. I've often said he was the right man at the right time (that is routinely ignored by the hoofers) but his time has long gone for any sensible minded person. What I take issue with is the suggestion that his alehouse oofanopery has any relevance or utility today.

Only in S2 could there be continuing admiration for Charles Hughes. Charles Fucking Hughes.

I simply can't accept there is no argument against Bassett. There is and I shall continue to make it. Sorry, Hoofers, I may be in a minority in S2 but out there, beyond the wastelands of Sharrow, there is a real world of football where Dinosaur Dave is a complete nonentity.

 

[Snowman]

Because hardly a day goes by without someone bringing up fucking Bassett. It cries out for someone to provide a little balance. I've often said he was the right man at the right time (that is routinely ignored by the hoofers) but his time has long gone for any sensible minded person. What I take issue with is the suggestion that his alehouse oofanopery has any relevance or utility today.

Only in S2 could there be continuing admiration for Charles Hughes. Charles Fucking Hughes.

I simply can't accept there is no argument against Bassett. There is and I shall continue to make it. Sorry, Hoofers, I may be in a minority in S2 but out there, beyond the wastelands of Sharrow, there is a real world of football where Dinosaur Dave is a complete nonentity.

Ok. I shall respond in due course but at he moment I am busy with an excel thing that is hurting my head.