Basset Article

[1danewhitehouse]

What a great stat. Makes you think if we'd kept Deane we'd have finished top half.

Bassett himself said that the board had sealed our relegation with the sale of Deane. He was right. Perhaps if he’d got Blake a bit earlier, who knows….

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I think everyone knew after watching Flo a couple of times that we were gonna be up against it.

I don’t think Flo was that bad. But he was a million miles from Deane. We needed a striker who could lead the line, score goals AND create for himself and others like Deane Could. Flo was just a target man really. Both times we sold Deane, we cost ourselves Premier league football.

 

[Tyler Durden]

3 out of 5 surely? We’ve not had Parochial S2 or Nick Montgomery yet.

No you're right. Looks like I gave the guttersnipe too little credit.

 

[shorehamview]

He wasn’t all about hoof. He was all about winning.

This sums up Dave Bassett in his time as our manager. He didn't fuck about trying not to lose, he tried to win, and like many others have said in this thread, he gave me some truly wonderful times watching Sheffield United. In the past few years Bramall Lane had gone from being an intimidating place to come to, to a place where opposition teams knew that if they put us under pressure then the crowd would get restless and half the fight would be lost, It wasn't like that under Bassett, then Warnock and now it's not like that under the leadership of Chris Wilder.

Dave Bassett was one of our best managers ever, and if you can't see that then there's something truly amiss.

 

[Pinchy]

Worth noting that when he was rombing to the first division title with Forest in 98 with Van Hooijdonk up front, they played some fantastic football.


He wasn’t all about hoof. He was all about winning. Our very limited resources meant that our “up an at em” style allowed us to punch above our weight and cause problems for far more talented and more expensively assembled teams. As he said, there weren’t too many complaining when we were beating Man United, Liverpool, pigs, smashing Spurs for 6 etc.


His methods may be outdated and SOME of his football was unattractive but for his time, he was a very good manager who had success at a number of clubs. Let’s also remember that he procured some great players over the years for us too. Deane, Agana, Hodges, Kelly, Tracey etc.

Whether that's true or not (some of it isn't, I'm afraid) he was the Godfather of Hoof and is now an unemployable dinosaur. He is in no position to lecture anyone about the 'right way' to play football in 2016. The vast majority of players and managers (including Tufty) employ that phrase as a matter of routine. They mean "get it down and pass it" not Diplodocus' preferred "oofitanope"

 

[Pinchy]

Bassett himself said that the board had sealed our relegation with the sale of Deane. He was right. Perhaps if he’d got Blake a bit earlier, who knows….

I said it publicly too, and far earlier and far more articulately than Diplodocus, who waited until we had been relegated.

 

[I should coco]

I said it publicly too, and far earlier and far more articulately than Diplodocus,

It doesn't count when you say it every season though.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[BushBlade]

Bassett himself said that the board had sealed our relegation with the sale of Deane. He was right. Perhaps if he’d got Blake a bit earlier, who knows….

Perhaps if he'd played Blake more often after he bought him?

 

[BushBlade]

I said it publicly too, and far earlier and far more articulately than Diplodocus, who waited until we had been relegated.

Was that the last prediction you got right?

 

[Bayingblade]

Dave Bassett gave us May the 5th 1990 and for anyone who was there, and there were plenty, that's enough to give him legendary status. Lou Reeds "Perfect Day" could have been written for that day!

As an encore, he gave us a 2-0 and (even better!) a 3-1 double over our nearest and dearest - in the top flight.

There were others too, but apart from a few fleeting moments under Warnock, we haven't come close to what Dave Bassett did at BDTBL........

Yet!

 

[Westran]

Well... that Pinchy guy is a self-righteous twat isn't he.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Whether that's true or not (some of it isn't, I'm afraid) he was the Godfather of Hoof and is now an unemployable dinosaur. He is in no position to lecture anyone about the 'right way' to play football in 2016. The vast majority of players and managers (including Tufty) employ that phrase as a matter of routine. They mean "get it down and pass it" not Diplodocus' preferred "oofitanope"

I agree that his methods are not particularly relevant in 2016. Which bit of my post do you think is not true?


You seem to be using sensationalist terms like “the godfather of hoof” and “hoofitandhope” rather than posting points of real substance.


People have pointed out that there was much more to his teams that “hoofitandhope”. I’d say that more resembles Blackwell and briefly Morgan’s sides. You’ve not really acknowledged the quality of some of the players he brought to the club (Deane, Hodges, Agana, Nilsen, Pemberton, Wood, Bryson, Beagrie, Kelly, Tracey, Blake etc.). You seem to want to create an impression that the Bob Bookers and Alan Corks of this world were all he had to offer when in fact, he struck a good balance which resulted in us finishing 9th in the top flight, doing the double over the pigs, bloddying noses of many “better” teams etc.


I agree his lecturing on how teams should play now should be taken with a similar pinch of salt to the words of Keith Edwards and his “analysis” of our games.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I said it publicly too, and far earlier and far more articulately than Diplodocus, who waited until we had been relegated.

Not according to his autobiography. He said he told Brealey exactly that when he returned form his holidays to discover Deane had been sold.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Perhaps if he'd played Blake more often after he bought him?

Yeah perhaps. But he was yet another lower league bargain that we were hoping would pay off and was relatively young at the time I think so I can understand some reluctance at chucking him straight in.


If the ref had given the penalty when the keeper pulled him down in the 0-0 at city, or if we’d got the penalty when Seaman nearly broke Littlejohn in half in the draw at the lane, if Spurs had been properly punished for their dodgy dealings, if Segers hadn’t been “beaten” by Stuart in the last minute, if Shearer hadn’t missed about 10 sitters against Ipswich on the final day, if we’d seen out those last couple of minutes at Chelsea…….. doesn’t really bare thinking about does it.

 

[Silent Blade]

You’ve not really acknowledged the quality of some of the players he brought to the club (Deane, Hodges, Agana, Nilsen, Pemberton, Wood, Bryson, Beagrie, Kelly, Tracey, Blake etc.). .

McEwan signed Beagrie in 1986

 

[Deleted member 875]

Whether that's true or not (some of it isn't, I'm afraid) he was the Godfather of Hoof and is now an unemployable dinosaur. He is in no position to lecture anyone about the 'right way' to play football in 2016. The vast majority of players and managers (including Tufty) employ that phrase as a matter of routine. They mean "get it down and pass it" not Diplodocus' preferred "oofitanope"

The thing is Bassett learned a lot from the under rated footballing genius that was Charles Hughes, who did some in-depth analysis and came to the theory that most goals were scored resulting from moves that involved 3 passes or less, and he also coined the POMO (position of maximum opportunity) theory, which makes perfect sense.

I think one of the problems with modern day football is too many teams fanny about with the ball playing nice looking tippy tappy passes to one and another in the middle of the park, when the better option would be launching it down the channels for players to run on to, and when they have got it wide, they look for the easy pass rather than more sensibly throwing the ball in to the mixer.

I can remember Tranmere spending years in the second tier, and one of their most successful tactics they employed was having a long throw specialist who could throw the ball long in to the mixer, creating more POMO's, and it was a widely under-rated tactic, but one very much appreciated by the Tranmere fans who would sound an air raid siren whenever they got a throw in deep inside the oppositon half, and sent the big lads up to get on the ball when it got thrown in to the mixer.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I said it publicly too, and far earlier and far more articulately than Diplodocus, who waited until we had been relegated.

You really think that Bassett should have said publicly that the board had sealed our relegation with the sale of Deane?
Before we got relegated? Good for morale?

 

[blade too long]

Watched Man Utd last week and their first goal was pure Bassett
long ball wide hit in early header i it could have been Deane instead of Ibrahimovich

 

[JJ Sefton]

he...is now an unemployable dinosaur.

So is Bill Shankly and you were wanking yourself dry as a Jacobs cracker over him.

 

[oldblade]

Well, sorry DD, Tufty is one of those who preaches the "right way" along with all the top managers, coaches and players. Everyone out of step but you, you discredited, redundant hoofer?

When the great Bill Shankly (a proper football legend, whose laces you are not fit to tie) spoke of Southampton playing "alehouse football" he could scarcely have known that you were to drag the idea a couple of steps further down into the murky depths of anti-football. Even a bit of praise for Charlie Hughes! My Pele, dinosaurs can't adapt but they sure die hard, don't though?...

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And yet whilst playing such murky anti-football, Bassett led us to the highest league position achieved by any Sheffield United manager since 1975. A league position that was only once bettered by Harris in all his seasons as our manager.

I believe Martin Peters believed in playing football the (so-called) right way. Great time we had with him in charge.

I find it quite incredible that you are repeatedly so unnecessarily offensive and insulting towards one of the better managers we've had since Harris.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

The thing is Bassett learned a lot from the under rated footballing genius that was Charles Hughes, who did some in-depth analysis and came to the theory that most goals were scored resulting from moves that involved 3 passes or less, and he also coined the POMO (position of maximum opportunity) theory, which makes perfect sense.

Think that may have been Charles Reep, who Hughes based his approach on. Reep worked with Bassett directly at Wimbledon. There was a decent podcast on Reep a few months back that goes into his statistical approach and the people he influenced: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-one-mans-bad-math-helped-ruin-decades-of-english-soccer/ – the stuff of Pinchy's nightmares.

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Everyone has the right to slag other folks achievements off, no big deal. Anyone who slags Dave Bassets achievements at the Lane though, and how he went about it all simply isn't a Blade.

No argument really, the buffoon in question probably prefers 'Tricky' Trevor Francis. Now there was another true footballer, useless cunt as well but hey, he was doing it the right way

 

[Pinchy]

Everyone has the right to slag other folks achievements off, no big deal. Anyone who slags Dave Bassets achievements at the Lane though, and how he went about it all simply isn't a Blade.

No argument really, the buffoon in question probably prefers 'Tricky' Trevor Francis. Now there was another true footballer, useless cunt as well but hey, he was doing it the right way

Certainly when they gave us a lesson in playing football at Wembley. It could indeed have been 10-1.

There's a deep irony here. You lot constitute the few remaining devotees of grotesque Hughes/Bassett anti-football, POMO and all that pseudo-analytical shite, yet I'm the buffoon! I really must consult the real world.

Only in deepest, darkest S2....

 

[Pinchy]

Think that may have been Charles Reep, who Hughes based his approach on. Reep worked with Bassett directly at Wimbledon. There was a decent podcast on Reep a few months back that goes into his statistical approach and the people he influenced: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-one-mans-bad-math-helped-ruin-decades-of-english-soccer/ – the stuff of Pinchy's nightmares.

The title suggests that the author, at least, knows what he's talking about. Me, I'm a simple man. I know the best (only) way to play football. It's the way the best teams play. Not a quantum leap in logic, save at Jurassic Lane.

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Bit like the double, 2 - 0 and 3 - 1, they slapped the fuck out of us then didn't they

I think I rumbled you mate, you're a pig.

 

[Snowman]

The title suggests that the author, at least, knows what he's talking about. Me, I'm a simple man. I know the best (only) way to play football. It's the way the best teams play. Not a quantum leap in logic, save at Jurassic Lane.

You've just got to be Counsel Pinchy. Absolutely misplaced supreme self confidence that you are correct and your opponent(s) are inadequate and incapable of conceding to the obviously superior intellect and argument. Except that the superior argument still consists of childish pictures of dinosaurs and the assertion that you are right whilst not actually engaging with the actual issue.

You`re also like an alcoholic. (I should know) See that bottle of Bassett coming out with the Done Mixer? No leave it alone Pinchy, you don't need another one. No Forum, I've just got to have another go. Just the one more slagging. It is getting to be a Pinchy parody. Still love ya tho!

 

[Tyler Durden]

Well... that Pinchy guy is a self-righteous twat isn't he.

Yes, yes he is.

And has fuck-all to base it on either. A cretin of the first degree.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

You really think that Bassett should have said publicly that the board had sealed our relegation with the sale of Deane?
Before we got relegated? Good for morale?

It was hardly Nostradamus stuff most of us said it at the time anyway.

 

[Revolution]

It was hardly Nostradamus stuff most of us said it at the time anyway.

I watched the 1993 season review a couple of days after Deano went. He was involved in so many of our goals. I also concluded we were going down.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

McEwan signed Beagrie in 1986

Ah my mistake. Still, the point remains.