Ball in the box

[Trigger]

Guardiola has a lot to answer for.
His team are full of world class footballers who can play possession tippy tappy football, then accelerate to all out football, scythe a defence apart and walk the ball into the net.
It seems that every team now thinks this is the future.
Unfortunately we all have to acknowledge our limits.
I’m glad that my team is not Man City, and have sold out. I’m happy it’s what it is and I would never dream of supporting anyone else.
We need to get the ball into the box early.
Moore had a stinker tonight, but I do like him. O’Hare hasn’t covered himself in glory for the last few weeks, but I like him.
Showing my age here, but Quinn and Phillips - the absolute epitome of the system, not quite as good in my opinion, Toshack and Keegan - ball in early, big lad, little lad. (There are others, choose your own favourite).
Works.
Would love to see Brookes and Rak-Sakyi on each wing, instruction for every other player in the team to get the ball to either of them as soon as possible, and then them to run at the full backs, draw their nearest centre half and either keep running into the box to draw a tackle, or knock it into Moore and O’Hare - early.
They both have great attributes and I’m sure can work together in that way.
Would have scared the shit out of the dirties and Middlesbrough.
Then we wouldn’t have given them the advantage or be defending as deeply.
We’re not going to score many the way we’re playing at the moment.
Got to make changes with the talented players we have.

 

[knowsnowt]

I was going mental about it earlier then I just went on italics and thought you know what punctuation and my view are irrelevant anyway so it's what it is and I'm not even going there on what happened tonight as our lass just came home and took stuff she didn't even own and in running around like wtf and even if I sort this in still now gonna be commenting annthebtioic because it's now even

 

[Keen Blade]

Guardiola has a lot to answer for.
His team are full of world class footballers who can play possession tippy tappy football, then accelerate to all out football, scythe a defence apart and walk the ball into the net.
It seems that every team now thinks this is the future.
Unfortunately we all have to acknowledge our limits.
I’m glad that my team is not Man City, and have sold out. I’m happy it’s what it is and I would never dream of supporting anyone else.
We need to get the ball into the box early.
Moore had a stinker tonight, but I do like him. O’Hare hasn’t covered himself in glory for the last few weeks, but I like him.
Showing my age here, but Quinn and Phillips - the absolute epitome of the system, not quite as good in my opinion, Toshack and Keegan - ball in early, big lad, little lad. (There are others, choose your own favourite).
Works.
Would love to see Brookes and Rak-Sakyi on each wing, instruction for every other player in the team to get the ball to either of them as soon as possible, and then them to run at the full backs, draw their nearest centre half and either keep running into the box to draw a tackle, or knock it into Moore and O’Hare - early.
They both have great attributes and I’m sure can work together in that way.
Would have scared the shit out of the dirties and Middlesbrough.
Then we wouldn’t have given them the advantage or be defending as deeply.
We’re not going to score many the way we’re playing at the moment.
Got to make changes with the talented players we have.

As Harry Bassett used to say
"Get it into the mixer"
(Get it into their box)
We have two great wingers in JRS & Brooks - instead of cutting inside all the time , they need to put some crosses in

 

[jono_t2000]

Guardiola has a lot to answer for.
His team are full of world class footballers who can play possession tippy tappy football, then accelerate to all out football, scythe a defence apart and walk the ball into the net.
It seems that every team now thinks this is the future.
Unfortunately we all have to acknowledge our limits.
I’m glad that my team is not Man City, and have sold out. I’m happy it’s what it is and I would never dream of supporting anyone else.
We need to get the ball into the box early.
Moore had a stinker tonight, but I do like him. O’Hare hasn’t covered himself in glory for the last few weeks, but I like him.
Showing my age here, but Quinn and Phillips - the absolute epitome of the system, not quite as good in my opinion, Toshack and Keegan - ball in early, big lad, little lad. (There are others, choose your own favourite).
Works.
Would love to see Brookes and Rak-Sakyi on each wing, instruction for every other player in the team to get the ball to either of them as soon as possible, and then them to run at the full backs, draw their nearest centre half and either keep running into the box to draw a tackle, or knock it into Moore and O’Hare - early.
They both have great attributes and I’m sure can work together in that way.
Would have scared the shit out of the dirties and Middlesbrough.
Then we wouldn’t have given them the advantage or be defending as deeply.
We’re not going to score many the way we’re playing at the moment.
Got to make changes with the talented players we have.

We started the game off really brightly getting the ball into the box often and early especially through McCallum and Brewster, and Dieng looked really uncomfortable dealing with it.

But then all of a sudden we just stopped...

 

[Melbourne Blade]

Some of the sweetest goals in last weekends EPL were early or low/hard crosses which were a pleasure to watch.

I think Burrows is our best option here but he didn't even play so no idea what's going on right now. Some of our tippy tappy stuff late on today looked nice but end result was nothing.

 

[Champagneblade]

Have to admit, fannying about does seem to have become quite en vogue.

We’ve a left back with double figure assists and a centre forward who is 6’5” yet seem to have come to a style of play which doesn’t involve zinging crosses into him.

Seems bizarre.

 

[Charlieblade]

We have too many choices, but as usual, Wilder knows best.

Good job he’s the manager because he’s the one getting flack from us lesser mortals.

Oh for a partnership like Deane and Agana, or Currie and Woodward.

 

[robbiez666]

We need to start getting the ball forward early. Mix of passing the ball out with direct football. Moore is good in the air so use it. And also look to try and go direct to JRS, O'Hare, Brooks.

We rely on Burrows to do this quickly down the left but it shouldn't be all on him.

I'm really not sure what O'Hare is adding at the moment. Drop him and play a second striker. One, maybe. Two wingers. See how that goes.

 

[Charlieblade]

The defence is ok.

Midfield interrupted or confused.

Attack is for home games.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Boro on a different level to us ! Movement off the ball and good technic with close control just embarrassed us at times.
They were similar when they beat us at Bramall Lane two years ago we are slow and pedestrian in build up which plays into there hands.
Moore getting pelters for being what he is! service to him is poor expected to plough on with no blade close enough to play off him.
Soutter, Moore and Anel
(can't spell his surname )
All big lads and yet nothing really comes from our corners! again our movement at corners is poor and delivery has been poor. Do we need a set piece coach as we show no imagination or anything new from corners.
We are ponderous with no game plan to attack in numbers !
Going back to Moore how often is he isolated his close control is not the best so expecting him to do what he can't is just a waste.
Just played two of the best teams in the division and been well short of there levels of technic and movement ,
The great start is in danger of withering away as confidence seems to be low considering the results we put together.

 

[Tezza1889]

Oh for a partnership like Deane and Agana.

they wouldn't score either playing this way, can't describe it as a system..

Who thought that it was better to get to the box, pass it between 3 players 5 or 6 times, wait till the whole of the opposition is in the box defending and then try to pick a pass in the now organised and overcrowded box, rather than cross it first time "5 a side style" for a striker who's running expecting the ball to be crossed etc..

It didn't work before, it isn't working now, it doesn't work, he's still telling them to do it..and they set up for this when they play us.

Which is why whatever striker we buy, they don't score..

 

[Charlieblade]

they wouldn't score either playing this way, can't describe it as a system..

Who thought that it was better to get to the box, pass it between 3 players 5 or 6 times, wait till the whole of the opposition is in the box defending and then try to pick a pass in the now organised and overcrowded box, rather than cross it first time "5 a side style" for a striker who's running expecting the ball to be crossed etc..

It didn't work before, it isn't working now, it doesn't work, he's still telling them to do it..and they set up for this when they play us.

Which is why whatever striker we buy, they don't score..

I don’t recall Deane and Agana trying the method you describe, nor Currie and Woodward for that matter. Then again, I am getting a bit old these days, and we had different managers back then.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Possession football is great if you have high quality players who can unlock a packed defence. We don’t have those players so landing it in the penalty area from wingers from time to time has to be tried. We seem to be lost on what our tactics are when knocking the ball sideways and backwards isn’t working.

 

[moody1889]

Wilder is showing himself up at the minute persisting with a negative formation that does not work 1 up top is not the answer.

 

[Tezza1889]

I don’t recall Deane and Agana trying the method you describe, nor Currie and Woodward for that matter. Then again, I am getting a bit old these days, and we had different managers back then.

Glyn Hodges never whipped a ball into the box for deane..

Also Agana never beat the right back and squared it for deane...

Ian bryson never crossed a ball into the box either..

Think my memory has gone as well..

I'm also told Colin morris never crossed for Edwards.. hey ho....summat new every day ..

 

[The Fox]

Some old managers must despair watching modern football.
Used to be far simpler , 2 strikers, a big un and a little un and get the ball in early .
This slow build up stuff just allows all the defence to be in position whilst the team tries to create some masterpiece.
Think sometimes teams should leave the pretty football to those with the ability to produce it .
Not suggesting a one directional approach, just mixing it up .

In reality I'll leave it to those with the badges to reinvent a simple game .

 

[Silent Blade]

Some old managers must despair watching modern football.
Used to be far simpler , 2 strikers, a big un and a little un and get the ball in early .
This slow build up stuff just allows all the defence to be in position whilst the team tries to create some masterpiece.
Think sometimes teams should leave the pretty football to those with the ability to produce it .
Not suggesting a one directional approach, just mixing it up .

In reality I'll leave it to those with the badges to reinvent a simple game .

I remember Jack Charlton saying "To gain promotion, you need one big striker and one big centre back in the team!

 

[Pollingtonblade]

GERRIT FORRAD

 

[jt64]

I was going mental about it earlier then I just went on italics and thought you know what punctuation and my view are irrelevant anyway so it's what it is and I'm not even going there on what happened tonight as our lass just came home and took stuff she didn't even own and in running around like wtf and even if I sort this in still now gonna be commenting annthebtioic because it's now even

Parklife

 

[Tezza1889]

GERRIT FORRAD

We gerrit forrad..

The we pass It and pass it...then we think, hey there's nobody open they're all marked, then we float a cross with no pace, and that is the end of the attack..

 

[Karlos]

I've always been if the mindset where you play to your strengths. If you have 11 players comfortable on the ball and have the ability to constantly play the short game, move and play it quick then play this way.
If you're strengths are like what we had in the late 80s and early 90's with deano and Agana, then you get the ball up to the front two as quick as possible. Some called it the long ball game, I called it giving one of the best strike partnerships in the country at the time service.

It's like when people say they would like to see guardiola in charge of a L2 side to see if he could do the business there. I always say only if he had the playing staff good enough to play the system.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Guardiola has a lot to answer for.
His team are full of world class footballers who can play possession tippy tappy football, then accelerate to all out football, scythe a defence apart and walk the ball into the net.
It seems that every team now thinks this is the future.
Unfortunately we all have to acknowledge our limits.
I’m glad that my team is not Man City, and have sold out. I’m happy it’s what it is and I would never dream of supporting anyone else.
We need to get the ball into the box early.
Moore had a stinker tonight, but I do like him. O’Hare hasn’t covered himself in glory for the last few weeks, but I like him.
Showing my age here, but Quinn and Phillips - the absolute epitome of the system, not quite as good in my opinion, Toshack and Keegan - ball in early, big lad, little lad. (There are others, choose your own favourite).
Works.
Would love to see Brookes and Rak-Sakyi on each wing, instruction for every other player in the team to get the ball to either of them as soon as possible, and then them to run at the full backs, draw their nearest centre half and either keep running into the box to draw a tackle, or knock it into Moore and O’Hare - early.
They both have great attributes and I’m sure can work together in that way.
Would have scared the shit out of the dirties and Middlesbrough.
Then we wouldn’t have given them the advantage or be defending as deeply.
We’re not going to score many the way we’re playing at the moment.
Got to make changes with the talented players we have.

Absoloute waffle Boro have a manager who likes to play football and they played some great stuff

 

[Charlieblade]

Glyn Hodges never whipped a ball into the box for deane..

Also Agana never beat the right back and squared it for deane...

Ian bryson never crossed a ball into the box either..

Think my memory has gone as well..

I'm also told Colin morris never crossed for Edwards.. hey ho....summat new every day ..

TBF my memories mirror the frustration of watching our defenders backing off more and more until the opposition player was inside the 18 yard box.

 

[bonobo]

I did assume signing Burrows and Moore had some joined up thinking about it, but not seeing that so far. I think we also lack players who really tee up crossing opportunities with pass and move like Duffy, McGoldrick, Norwood would. Hamer, OHare etc...tend to just stand flat and knock it to the nearest man, if they can't run at the opposition or get a shot off.

 

[LondonRoad]

Leeds scored two goals on Tuesday night caused by mistakes as the ball was played towards the goal. If the ball rarely goes towards the goal, you're rarely going to score

 

[Loco Blade]

Clough once said … you can’t score a goal of you don’t have the ball !! True but you can’t score either if you keep fucking about passing unnecessarily and risk loosing it . As mentioned before I go and watch Citeh occasionally at the emptyhad and it bores the shit out of me . Liverpool style however is swashbuckling ( term not used enough) . We are not Russell Crowe we should entertain

 

[Jan Age]

You don’t score if you don’t shoot … simple

 

[S64 Blade]

You don’t score if you don’t shoot … simple

Totally agree. This is the frustrating thing watching a lot of modern football. It’s a lot less entertaining, I think.

I’m not saying shoot at every given opportunity, but there seems to be very little risk taking in the modern game. We often have the ball in the final third out wide and rather than putting a ball in the box, we pass it back, then back again, then to the goalkeeper, who boots it up field and then their defender wins the header 25/30 yards out. Surely it’s better to put their defender under this type of pressure in their 18 yard box?

 

[ancientblade]

weve got to up our tempo and just passing it square and backwards by our back 4 doesnt help that but the manager can stop that if he wants to doesnt help that anel on left always has to turn and play it across to souttar on his right foot hes starting to look uncomfortable playing this position

 

[AnstonBlade1]

Always been same with united try walking it into the net.

Agree though we’ve got play to our strengths get it in box early onto Moores head.