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I'm comfortable with the fact that you're clueless. Pedantic or not I'd be inclined to try to prove what I'd said. Something you avoid like the plague. I wonder why that is? *


* Barney, "rhetorical" :)

I'm comfortable in the fact that yer a bit of 'bs' merchant yerself...come back when you've had a bit of a think and can support your assertions.

In the meantime, enjoy McCabe's continual restructuring of his 'Leisure activities' and debts.

Good night.
 



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You're actually incapable..a bit like Sean Thornton in this instance...
 
Come on Blades, we're going to rip this league a new one next season, in this I trust. You know it too. Believe.
 
Don't quite get where this cutting of cloth had to be aired.

We've spent all season moaning that we have too many players.

Now we plan to run with less, there are complaints about operating with a lower cost base.

I'd happily see us operate with a squad of 29 including the young pros instead of 49.

You can make savings by letting go those not in the plans and many that aren't are out of contract.

We've probably had a wage bill of 7m. Operating with a wage bill of 5m won't kill us if we are supporting 20 less players.
 
Having the supposed biggest budget of the division has obviously had fuck all correlation with getting out of this league. The remnants of last season - bloated squad , a massive wage bill, a divisive gaffer, and a lack of team spirit behind the scenes has left us royally fucked.

The performances of the last 2 weeks or so in particular gives a glimpse of what we just might achieve with a bit leaner squad but one that is pulling together and putting in a massive shift every week. What I witnessed against Walsall and Gillingham in particular was encouraging. Listened to the game today and Edwards kept banging on about how it seemed like we had more players on the pitch than the opposition. That is what I want from a United team.
That's how I see it Wincobank lots to be positive about even if we don't make the play offs nice to hear from a positive blade
 
Judging by the £8,000,000 that had to be pumped in this year, I'd say no. :)

UTB

Come on Alco Mccabe said previously he was pumping a million a month into the club just to keep it running. Based on the £8m you talk about Clough had us £4m better off.
 
The past 9 years of Sheffield United condensed:

"We've been relegated from the Premiership and now have to cut our cloth accordingly"

"We've failed to gain promotion from the Championship and therefore with the sale of key assets, we have to cut our cloth accordingly"

"We now have to face the realities of being relegated from the Championship and must cut our cloth accordingly"

"Having failed to gain promotion from League 1, we now must cut our cloth accordingly"


......Do you see where this is going?

Don't say league 2 , the circle has to be broken any time soon , with back to the championship . If he doesn't get it right and get the backing , Adkins and the board could take us either way , up or down.

UTB
 
Having the supposed biggest budget of the division has obviously had fuck all correlation with getting out of this league. The remnants of last season - bloated squad , a massive wage bill, a divisive gaffer, and a lack of team spirit behind the scenes has left us royally fucked.

The performances of the last 2 weeks or so in particular gives a glimpse of what we just might achieve with a bit leaner squad but one that is pulling together and putting in a massive shift every week. What I witnessed against Walsall and Gillingham in particular was encouraging. Listened to the game today and Edwards kept banging on about how it seemed like we had more players on the pitch than the opposition. That is what I want from a United team.

What lack of team spirit? Who was divisive? The same divided team with no spirit that finished 5th and got to a cup semi final, giving the team that is currently 2nd in the Premiership a real run for its money. Giving their manager by his own admission a real scare and one of the best atmospheres he has ever witnessed? The same manager whose shit brother (according to some) found our best prospect arguably since the Kyles?

I grant you there are seeds of positivity but let's not start making shit up about the previous manager. Most of us didn't want him sacked in the first place.
 
Not that I'm aware of and looking at the actions of the spending since Clough left its clear that we're now not spending the sums we did under Clough. That said I think some are over-panicking here! I heard the interview and all Adkins said was that next season those players that are still under contract will still be taking up some of the budget because of their wages. I don't get why that has caused some to think that its panic stations. I think its realistic to think we'll spend money on maybe one or two transfer fees of moderate cost and the rest will be frees. We still have a decent team for next season and its basically the same as when Clough left in that we just need two maybe three quality players. We didn't manage it last season, partly because Adkins was hamstrung with the bloated squad from Clough's reign and half the squad has got pissed off not playing regularly.

Teams like Gillingham and Walsall have done well under smaller budgets than ours and they haven't been backed more than we have, far from it, its just that they have some decent talent and they don't have the pressure we have, or having to face teams raising from their normal level playing against us, and that is a negative factor for us. The teams coming down look stronger too, but as we know teams don't often bounce straight back from getting relegated into League One.


Good post.

When Adkins estimated that we were about the 6th highest budget at the start of last season he explained that certain clubs take a gamble which either works or fails and if it doesn't the funding reverts to normal levels. Last season he thought Scunthorpe were doing exactly that, putting extra money in, having a real go and seeing where it took them - they are level with us and have to decide if they can double dose the injection.

Clough spent our big injection of cash on so many average players rather than just signing players who would make a difference in a promotion season. In fairness though, having said all that, I honestly think Clough thought he was with us for years and years and he made a lot of signings of players who he thought had upside in their development over a couple of years or so. It didn't work out for most of them, it didn't work out for him and the net effect was that all the money had achieved was to leave us with a bloated squad of players nobody wants and a new manager who didn't like what he saw in all but a couple of the Clough signings.

The result is we have spent our big cash injection and to be sensible we are not just going to throw money at the squad to bloat it again. There will be a wage budget and it will be a very big one for this league but the wages of the likes of Scougall, McNulty, Freeman, etc cannot just be ignored, they are part of the budget and Adkins is simply saying for every one he gets rid of he can sign a player in their place. Don't take it I mean that literally but I have said for a while that under these circumstances we might lose players we fans would keep because the leeway to spend needs to be created in the budget. Such as Freeman and McNulty can't command first team places in a League 2 team so clubs will not be queuing up for them. I sense Brayford will depart and maybe even Done and we all know the list of other players on offer. I also think if we were for some reason to get a say £700k bid for Long we would take it. Brayford might not be saleable due to his injury record, we'll need to accept a huge loss but it was just a stupid signing and only worked if we gained promotion. Done's goals record isn't that great anymore.

Adkins has to manage his resources and he should have the capability to do that. Looking at the comments above United have a big, big job to explain the reasoning and the realities to fans at the forthcoming Fans Forums as they will have an unsympathetic audience, many of whom will not accept that there is no sense in not throwing another big tranche of 'game changing investment' at the problem. The prince or his representatives need to be ready to explain why not. Indeed why not?

Good question for the Fans Forum, which I asked at the Manager's Welcome Meeting last season is: Is the manager satisfied that the wage budget for the coming season is absolutely sufficient to ensure a serious challenge for automatic promotion. Adkins answered 'yes' last July but did qualify it with some of the above if's and but's and a mention that the squad at that time was not fit enough or good enough.

I would hope the manager is part of the assessment process to determine the level of the budget required. Adkins probably fully agrees with the need to get rid of players before he spends on new ones. He is actually saying that in his interview but he needs to say it with knobs on to convince fans that he's not just saying what he has to say without conviction. My personal view is that managers should resign if they are not provided with a budget which matches the public objectives of promotion, otherwise their reputations can soon be destroyed. Adkins should get another good job if he leaves but he won't because he knows United are in a deep slumber and can wake up and go on to great things if he can just get things on a roll.

Any manager wants a 23/24 man squad and is weakened if 4 or 5 of those are players he doesn't want and who don't want to be there themselves. If they can go on a season long loan with all their wages paid then they are out of the equation but I'm afraid League 2 clubs don't pay that sort of money. Losses on contract settlements just to get rid have to come off the wage budget too as do subsidised wages on long term loans.
 
I'm a big fan of all this money we spent under Clough. Was that the money that was earned from 2 cup runs and the sale of Harry McGuire for £2.5m or something? Now, assuming Clough used all that money he still had us in balance. Big Jim has said somewhere that the players were bought from that money.

So if we are being fair, he earned his own transfer kitty no?


The club has made big losses after taking all that into account.
 
not sure I'm that bothered about a lower budget. A high budget has done us no good has it?

If Yeovil and Burton/Walsall can get up, then I'm sure that the blades with an average budget can do it.

Don't get me wrong I'd love us to get taken over by the crown prince of Qatar but in the absence of real money, the manager will have to do a good job instead.

What does "Talking about the players we have already taking up next seasons budget ", really mean though. It could mean that the 30 odd players we currently have currently eats up the entire budget, the fact that 18 of them are out of contract means that Adkins has loads of options. If it means that the 14 left eats up our entire budget we are in the shit.

Perhaps someone on here can advise?????


Well said. We have 4 expensive loan players in there for example.

A certain degree of austerity will encourage the manager to develop a younger, hungrier squad rather than rely on short term experienced higher earners who have consistently taken their wages without adding any value over the years.

It does matter what shape we are in when we finally get up to the Championship. A group of tired, experienced journeymen well past their best will not help us much.
 
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What lack of team spirit? Who was divisive? The same divided team with no spirit that finished 5th and got to a cup semi final, giving the team that is currently 2nd in the Premiership a real run for its money. Giving their manager by his own admission a real scare and one of the best atmospheres he has ever witnessed? The same manager whose shit brother (according to some) found our best prospect arguably since the Kyles?

I grant you there are seeds of positivity but let's not start making shit up about the previous manager. Most of us didn't want him sacked in the first place.

And a lot of us did. Our problems this season can be directly traced back to that man. He inflicted long-term damage on this club, and quite frankly it's pretty remarkable that we still have a mathematical chance of reaching the play-offs given what Adkins has had to contend with.

I'm not in the habit of attacking managers, it's a tough job and they're only human. But Clough is very much the exception to that rule. I wish him nothing but abject failure.
 
What lack of team spirit? Who was divisive? The same divided team with no spirit that finished 5th and got to a cup semi final, giving the team that is currently 2nd in the Premiership a real run for its money. Giving their manager by his own admission a real scare and one of the best atmospheres he has ever witnessed? The same manager whose shit brother (according to some) found our best prospect arguably since the Kyles?

I grant you there are seeds of positivity but let's not start making shit up about the previous manager. Most of us didn't want him sacked in the first place.

As bad as "making shit up about the previous manager" is blindly defending the previous manager, ignoring his faults and pretending everything was rosy under him when it clearly, clearly wasn't.
 
What lack of team spirit? Who was divisive? The same divided team with no spirit that finished 5th and got to a cup semi final, giving the team that is currently 2nd in the Premiership a real run for its money. Giving their manager by his own admission a real scare and one of the best atmospheres he has ever witnessed? The same manager whose shit brother (according to some) found our best prospect arguably since the Kyles?

I grant you there are seeds of positivity but let's not start making shit up about the previous manager. Most of us didn't want him sacked in the first place.
I didn't want him sacked either, but the situation was a million miles from as rosey as you suggest.

The squad was ridiculously bloated.

It was inbalanced, such that we had to keep playing out of form defenders because we didn't have enough.

He's clearly a man who falls out with people.

The wagebill was eating up far too much money.

We finished nearer relegation than automatic promotion.

We won 3 of our last 11 matches.

The cup runs were extremely enjoyable. He turned around the farce that Weir created. But the outlook when he left us wasn't remotely positive.

UTB
 



Most of us didn't want him sacked in the first place.
Correction most of us did want him sacked[/QUOTE]

Have a look at the online polls on this place. That's as good a benchmark as you can get.
 
I didn't want him sacked either, but the situation was a million miles from as rosey as you suggest.

The squad was ridiculously bloated.

It was inbalanced, such that we had to keep playing out of form defenders because we didn't have enough.

He's clearly a man who falls out with people.

The wagebill was eating up far too much money.

We finished nearer relegation than automatic promotion.

We won 3 of our last 11 matches.

The cup runs were extremely enjoyable. He turned around the farce that Weir created. But the outlook when he left us wasn't remotely positive.

UTB

Oh you are right and Pete is right. It wasn't great when he left. My point earlier was that people were making shit up. I'm talking about things that actually happened. I just happen to pick and choose my topic but at least I try and use facts rather than player rumour and supposition. Clough also rumbled Collins hence he fell out with him. McNulty is another one he appears to be right about.
 
As bad as "making shit up about the previous manager" is blindly defending the previous manager, ignoring his faults and pretending everything was rosy under him when it clearly, clearly wasn't.

I wasn't ignoring them I was adding balance :)

I just chose my topic but at least I stuck to things that happened.
 
Correction most of us did want him sacked

Have a look at the online polls on this place. That's as good a benchmark as you can get.[/QUOTE]
It's a good forum this but if you had a poll at the end of last season within the ground it would have been a resounding out.
 
The club has made big losses after taking all that into account.

Yes but (and we're never going to agree but I'm here anyhow) we were losing money at a greater rate pre Clough and at least the transfer fees were self sustaining.

In fairness if I look at a longer term under Adkins I think it will be better than under Clough. He is a better manager and I like his style of protecting the players. Hence we have made the right decision. We just need to stick to our guns with him and give him another season.
 
Have a look at the online polls on this place. That's as good a benchmark as you can get.
It's a good forum this but if you had a poll at the end of last season within the ground it would have been a resounding out.[/QUOTE]

I don't think you would. Just because the minority make more noise doesn't mean there are more of them. Even those who, like myself were not happy wanted him given another season.
 
I'd be interested to see the results of those polls on here if this site had the same members/number of contributors it has now.

I did a poll thread on Bladesmad and about 70% out of over 100 responses wanted him out if I remember correctly.
 
I'd be interested to see the results of those polls on here if this site had the same members/number of contributors it has now.

I did a poll thread on Bladesmad and about 70% out of over 100 responses wanted him out if I remember correctly.

Yeah but this place is better. :)

Sorry but if you are going to cross em in, I'm always going to tap them home,
 
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I'm comfortable in the fact that yer a bit of 'bs' merchant yerself...come back when you've had a bit of a think and can support your assertions.

In the meantime, enjoy McCabe's continual restructuring of his 'Leisure activities' and debts.

Good night.


Oh, like you've supported yours ?
 
Have a look at the online polls on this place. That's as good a benchmark as you can get.
It's a good forum this but if you had a poll at the end of last season within the ground it would have been a resounding out.[/QUOTE]


LaneEnder. I was not a fan of Clough and was delighted to see him leave.

However, my recollection of the polls on here was the surprising sympathy for him and regret that he was not given more time. Even after the popular appointment of Adkins my memory recalls a 40% vote still believing Clough should have stayed. Before Adkins I think it was over 50%.

Whatever we feel about Clough, I sense that Adkins will be much more capable of unifying the club and despite this awful season I can well imagine the Fans Forums will be the start of a club "United together" (don't puke).

The Board need to explain their budget and their rationale. Adkins has to identify with the Board and the strategy and then proceed to engender confidence with his summer signings and departures. Adkins and his coaches have to bring it all together and get their own squad performing with pride and ambition and it just could be the start of a unified club at the start of a successful period in our history. These things come in cycles and if it's not happening by Xmas/ JTW we are all in deep shit. In other words Adkins is our only hope in the short/ medium term. I can only believe he is better than we have witnessed this season and can do the job at hand.:eek:
 
It's a good forum this but if you had a poll at the end of last season within the ground it would have been a resounding out.


LaneEnder. I was not a fan of Clough and was delighted to see him leave.

However, my recollection of the polls on here was the surprising sympathy for him and regret that he was not given more time. Even after the popular appointment of Adkins my memory recalls a 40% vote still believing Clough should have stayed. Before Adkins I think it was over 50%.

Whatever we feel about Clough, I sense that Adkins will be much more capable of unifying the club and despite this awful season I can well imagine the Fans Forums will be the start of a club "United together" (don't puke).

The Board need to explain their budget and their rationale. Adkins has to identify with the Board and the strategy and then proceed to engender confidence with his summer signings and departures. Adkins and his coaches have to bring it all together and get their own squad performing with pride and ambition and it just could be the start of a unified club at the start of a successful period in our history. These things come in cycles and if it's not happening by Xmas/ JTW we are all in deep shit. In other words Adkins is our only hope in the short/ medium term. I can only believe he is better than we have witnessed this season and can do the job at hand.:eek:[/QUOTE]

To be fair you weren't a fan of Clough cos he didn't sign enough black players. Good job Adkins signed Baptiste or you'd have wanted him out ;-)
 



Don't quite get where this cutting of cloth had to be aired.

We've spent all season moaning that we have too many players.

Now we plan to run with less, there are complaints about operating with a lower cost base.

I'd happily see us operate with a squad of 29 including the young pros instead of 49.

You can make savings by letting go those not in the plans and many that aren't are out of contract.

We've probably had a wage bill of 7m. Operating with a wage bill of 5m won't kill us if we are supporting 20 less players.

This is kind of where I'm at as well. We're going to reduce a lot of the wage bill just by letting contracts expire, or offering some extensions at rates which are on a par with what players can actually do. If we get rid of the likes of Baxter, Harris, Howard etc then we can re-invest those wages into one or two key players at key positions, we don't need 22 players all on high L1/Championship wages (or more), put most of the wage bill into the first XI. Keeping around the likes of Reed, Freeman, K Wallace, DCL, McGahey probably, the young keeper that's coming through as squad depth is great as they will not be costing much - 15 players on 1k a week is better than 10 players at 2k a week.
 

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