Are we proactive enough?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Champagneblade

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 24, 2010
Messages
13,029
Reaction score
34,369
There are a couple of things bubbling at the moment and I don't mean Fallowfield when Billy's new contract gets announced!

I just wonder if we couldn't be a little bit more proactive and take the bull by the horns more.

1. The training ground. I get that long term we want a new site and there will be a reluctance to spend too much on the current one when your designs are elsewhere, so park that aspect. It seems the pitches are boggy at the moment. So, as others have also commented, why not just find something elsewhere that isn't suffering as badly from this weather and rent that? If you had a water leak in your bedroom, you'd move to another room until it was fixed or even move to alternative temporary accommodation. You wouldn't just wake up soaked every day and then do the same the following day without doing something to improve or negate the situation. They must be able to arrange with some school, one of the Universities, some private facilities, even if slightly outside Sheffield. How hard is it to find one pitch that is better then the current one if it is so bad? Are we too snobbish for common sense? I don't live in Sheffield but I bet a few on here with local knowledge could come up with alternative pitches that have a decent playing surface to practice on.

2. Injuries. The squad is depleted. What are we doing about it? If you had people on long term sick in your company you'd make do for a while but if this trend continued would you just let your ever decreasing workforce try to absorb more and more until breaking point or would you eventually reach out to that temp agency to get some short term help? What are the recruitment team doing now? Are they just putting together two lists for if we go up or stay down, focusing on the summer? It borders on negligence to just do nothing.

They should be proactive and looking to help. Firstly there are still free agents. Some became free agents not so long back and some are still playing so dismissing them all as needing too long to get up to speed is just lazy when your bench is untried kids.

On one hand you have Kiwi former West Ham player Winston Reid. Played in last year's play off final for Brentford. He's unattached, but still representing New Zealand in training camps and qualifiers so it's not as if he's at home just getting fat or not doing football training or playing games.

Isaac Mbenza, 26, played a couple of seasons at Huddersfield after arriving for 10m from Montpellier, can play across the forwards and was last in Qatar.

There are other 'regular' free agents of course. But then there is the emerging situations.

I posted a thread in the rumours; FIFA has confirmed that they have temporarily changed the transfer rules for foreign players under contract in Russia and Ukraine. Those players are now available on the transfer market. Clubs are only allowed to sign players until Apr. 7 and every club abroad is only allowed to sign two affected players. Why not look into it?


Contact Shakhtar Donetsk. Get in touch with Dynamo Kyiv. Offer a couple of their foreign players (a quite literal) lifeline. The former has a number of high profile Brazilian players for instance.

In addition, a number of Russian clubs have released foreign players. Why would we not investigate this? We are just out of the PL one season. We will have had global coverage the past 2 years and we are challenging to go back up and may potentially offer a PL lifeline to a player.

Take Yaroslav Rakitskiy. Ukranian, 32, left footed centre back, a regular in the Champions League for Shakhtar Donetsk. Spoke out about the war and was released. Move Egan to RCB and we aren't relying on kids anymore.

Another one of the players released by Krasnodar, Remy Cabella, formerly of Newcastle, goalscoring midfielder, 32.

Viktor Claesson, left midfielder, could play in the forward line, 30, another Krasnodar releasee.

I'm not suggesting that any are absolutely perfect. But isn't this where the recruitment team show their worth? Explore. Make a few phone calls. Be bold. Be audacious. It would be for a couple of months, max 2 players if loans. It is a unique situation. You could get a player ordinarily out of your reach for a crucial period; a ringer. Work with it. Not all teams have a need for players. We do. Not all players are looking for clubs and happy to move abroad. They are. How dynamic would we be if we pounced and it gave us an advantage?

Come on United. Shake yourselves. We have a great chance but the manager needs some help. Don't sit idly by. Try to be the difference.
 

They could go back training at Warminster Road, owd Colin's not doing owt at the moment, he could clear the dog shit away first 🤣 ...
Excellent idea with the player recruitment they could defo do with a couple of new faces in and there's certainly a window of opportunity with the Ukrainian situation.
 
They could go back training at Warminster Road, owd Colin's not doing owt at the moment, he could clear the dog shit away first 🤣 ...
Excellent idea with the player recruitment they could defo do with a couple of new faces in and there's certainly a window of opportunity with the Ukrainian situation.
Are Ukrainian men allowed to leave the country at present ?
 
Can you stop talking sense Champagneblade

I've thought for a while that we a little bit sunday league in the way our recruitment and general organisation of the first team set up (pre season, contracts etc) has been in the last couple of years. Feel like its a 'tomorrow will do' mentality or nobody is sure who is supposed to be doing what.

There is also Andre Wisdom available. He's been training and playing u23s with Birmingham in the last couple of months. Perfect cover for Basham and only 28.
 
There are a couple of things bubbling at the moment and I don't mean Fallowfield when Billy's new contract gets announced!

I just wonder if we couldn't be a little bit more proactive and take the bull by the horns more.

1. The training ground. I get that long term we want a new site and there will be a reluctance to spend too much on the current one when your designs are elsewhere, so park that aspect. It seems the pitches are boggy at the moment. So, as others have also commented, why not just find something elsewhere that isn't suffering as badly from this weather and rent that? If you had a water leak in your bedroom, you'd move to another room until it was fixed or even move to alternative temporary accommodation. You wouldn't just wake up soaked every day and then do the same the following day without doing something to improve or negate the situation. They must be able to arrange with some school, one of the Universities, some private facilities, even if slightly outside Sheffield. How hard is it to find one pitch that is better then the current one if it is so bad? Are we too snobbish for common sense? I don't live in Sheffield but I bet a few on here with local knowledge could come up with alternative pitches that have a decent playing surface to practice on.

2. Injuries. The squad is depleted. What are we doing about it? If you had people on long term sick in your company you'd make do for a while but if this trend continued would you just let your ever decreasing workforce try to absorb more and more until breaking point or would you eventually reach out to that temp agency to get some short term help? What are the recruitment team doing now? Are they just putting together two lists for if we go up or stay down, focusing on the summer? It borders on negligence to just do nothing.

They should be proactive and looking to help. Firstly there are still free agents. Some became free agents not so long back and some are still playing so dismissing them all as needing too long to get up to speed is just lazy when your bench is untried kids.

On one hand you have Kiwi former West Ham player Winston Reid. Played in last year's play off final for Brentford. He's unattached, but still representing New Zealand in training camps and qualifiers so it's not as if he's at home just getting fat or not doing football training or playing games.

Isaac Mbenza, 26, played a couple of seasons at Huddersfield after arriving for 10m from Montpellier, can play across the forwards and was last in Qatar.

There are other 'regular' free agents of course. But then there is the emerging situations.

I posted a thread in the rumours; FIFA has confirmed that they have temporarily changed the transfer rules for foreign players under contract in Russia and Ukraine. Those players are now available on the transfer market. Clubs are only allowed to sign players until Apr. 7 and every club abroad is only allowed to sign two affected players. Why not look into it?


Contact Shakhtar Donetsk. Get in touch with Dynamo Kyiv. Offer a couple of their foreign players (a quite literal) lifeline. The former has a number of high profile Brazilian players for instance.

In addition, a number of Russian clubs have released foreign players. Why would we not investigate this? We are just out of the PL one season. We will have had global coverage the past 2 years and we are challenging to go back up and may potentially offer a PL lifeline to a player.

Take Yaroslav Rakitskiy. Ukranian, 32, left footed centre back, a regular in the Champions League for Shakhtar Donetsk. Spoke out about the war and was released. Move Egan to RCB and we aren't relying on kids anymore.

Another one of the players released by Krasnodar, Remy Cabella, formerly of Newcastle, goalscoring midfielder, 32.

Viktor Claesson, left midfielder, could play in the forward line, 30, another Krasnodar releasee.

I'm not suggesting that any are absolutely perfect. But isn't this where the recruitment team show their worth? Explore. Make a few phone calls. Be bold. Be audacious. It would be for a couple of months, max 2 players if loans. It is a unique situation. You could get a player ordinarily out of your reach for a crucial period; a ringer. Work with it. Not all teams have a need for players. We do. Not all players are looking for clubs and happy to move abroad. They are. How dynamic would we be if we pounced and it gave us an advantage?

Come on United. Shake yourselves. We have a great chance but the manager needs some help. Don't sit idly by. Try to be the difference.
We don't have the infrastructure in place to support overseas players. Be that housing, immigration support, language skills. We don't have anyone at the club who'd have a clue how to go about it. We paid 6 figures to a company to negotiate the Olsen deal
 
We don't have the infrastructure in place to support overseas players. Be that housing, immigration support, language skills. We don't have anyone at the club who'd have a clue how to go about it. We paid 6 figures to a company to negotiate the Olsen deal
What you aren't aware of is that when we recruited the player liaison officer we got someone who was fluent in Ukrainian just in case this happened.
 
Can you stop talking sense Champagneblade

I've thought for a while that we a little bit sunday league in the way our recruitment and general organisation of the first team set up (pre season, contracts etc) has been in the last couple of years. Feel like its a 'tomorrow will do' mentality or nobody is sure who is supposed to be doing what.

There is also Andre Wisdom available. He's been training and playing u23s with Birmingham in the last couple of months. Perfect cover for Basham and only 28.
I thought of Wisdom when Basham got injured & Goode suspended. Could cover both RCB & RWB - short term deal until end of season and low wages.
 
There are a couple of things bubbling at the moment and I don't mean Fallowfield when Billy's new contract gets announced!

I just wonder if we couldn't be a little bit more proactive and take the bull by the horns more.

1. The training ground. I get that long term we want a new site and there will be a reluctance to spend too much on the current one when your designs are elsewhere, so park that aspect. It seems the pitches are boggy at the moment. So, as others have also commented, why not just find something elsewhere that isn't suffering as badly from this weather and rent that? If you had a water leak in your bedroom, you'd move to another room until it was fixed or even move to alternative temporary accommodation. You wouldn't just wake up soaked every day and then do the same the following day without doing something to improve or negate the situation. They must be able to arrange with some school, one of the Universities, some private facilities, even if slightly outside Sheffield. How hard is it to find one pitch that is better then the current one if it is so bad? Are we too snobbish for common sense? I don't live in Sheffield but I bet a few on here with local knowledge could come up with alternative pitches that have a decent playing surface to practice on.

2. Injuries. The squad is depleted. What are we doing about it? If you had people on long term sick in your company you'd make do for a while but if this trend continued would you just let your ever decreasing workforce try to absorb more and more until breaking point or would you eventually reach out to that temp agency to get some short term help? What are the recruitment team doing now? Are they just putting together two lists for if we go up or stay down, focusing on the summer? It borders on negligence to just do nothing.

They should be proactive and looking to help. Firstly there are still free agents. Some became free agents not so long back and some are still playing so dismissing them all as needing too long to get up to speed is just lazy when your bench is untried kids.

On one hand you have Kiwi former West Ham player Winston Reid. Played in last year's play off final for Brentford. He's unattached, but still representing New Zealand in training camps and qualifiers so it's not as if he's at home just getting fat or not doing football training or playing games.

Isaac Mbenza, 26, played a couple of seasons at Huddersfield after arriving for 10m from Montpellier, can play across the forwards and was last in Qatar.

There are other 'regular' free agents of course. But then there is the emerging situations.

I posted a thread in the rumours; FIFA has confirmed that they have temporarily changed the transfer rules for foreign players under contract in Russia and Ukraine. Those players are now available on the transfer market. Clubs are only allowed to sign players until Apr. 7 and every club abroad is only allowed to sign two affected players. Why not look into it?


Contact Shakhtar Donetsk. Get in touch with Dynamo Kyiv. Offer a couple of their foreign players (a quite literal) lifeline. The former has a number of high profile Brazilian players for instance.

In addition, a number of Russian clubs have released foreign players. Why would we not investigate this? We are just out of the PL one season. We will have had global coverage the past 2 years and we are challenging to go back up and may potentially offer a PL lifeline to a player.

Take Yaroslav Rakitskiy. Ukranian, 32, left footed centre back, a regular in the Champions League for Shakhtar Donetsk. Spoke out about the war and was released. Move Egan to RCB and we aren't relying on kids anymore.

Another one of the players released by Krasnodar, Remy Cabella, formerly of Newcastle, goalscoring midfielder, 32.

Viktor Claesson, left midfielder, could play in the forward line, 30, another Krasnodar releasee.

I'm not suggesting that any are absolutely perfect. But isn't this where the recruitment team show their worth? Explore. Make a few phone calls. Be bold. Be audacious. It would be for a couple of months, max 2 players if loans. It is a unique situation. You could get a player ordinarily out of your reach for a crucial period; a ringer. Work with it. Not all teams have a need for players. We do. Not all players are looking for clubs and happy to move abroad. They are. How dynamic would we be if we pounced and it gave us an advantage?

Come on United. Shake yourselves. We have a great chance but the manager needs some help. Don't sit idly by. Try to be the difference.

I think we could genuinely be up shit creek with no paddle the start of next season if we don't go up this year


Our Best players leaving either on loan or likely to be sold doesn't bode well


Got no probs with Billy signing for another year , but he should not be the main striker if we keep playing him it blocks the path for Jebbinson / Brewster / mcburnie /ndiaye it isn't a viable long term plan

He is a blades legend but the success/future of the club goes ahead of him which is what a lot of fans cant grasp along with simple maths IMO

All those ukranian players would require money , money which has been spent on other teams training facilities
 
We don't have the infrastructure in place to support overseas players. Be that housing, immigration support, language skills. We don't have anyone at the club who'd have a clue how to go about it. We paid 6 figures to a company to negotiate the Olsen deal
So how did Berge arrive and stay ?
 
There are a couple of things bubbling at the moment and I don't mean Fallowfield when Billy's new contract gets announced!

I just wonder if we couldn't be a little bit more proactive and take the bull by the horns more.

1. The training ground. I get that long term we want a new site and there will be a reluctance to spend too much on the current one when your designs are elsewhere, so park that aspect. It seems the pitches are boggy at the moment. So, as others have also commented, why not just find something elsewhere that isn't suffering as badly from this weather and rent that? If you had a water leak in your bedroom, you'd move to another room until it was fixed or even move to alternative temporary accommodation. You wouldn't just wake up soaked every day and then do the same the following day without doing something to improve or negate the situation. They must be able to arrange with some school, one of the Universities, some private facilities, even if slightly outside Sheffield. How hard is it to find one pitch that is better then the current one if it is so bad? Are we too snobbish for common sense? I don't live in Sheffield but I bet a few on here with local knowledge could come up with alternative pitches that have a decent playing surface to practice on.

2. Injuries. The squad is depleted. What are we doing about it? If you had people on long term sick in your company you'd make do for a while but if this trend continued would you just let your ever decreasing workforce try to absorb more and more until breaking point or would you eventually reach out to that temp agency to get some short term help? What are the recruitment team doing now? Are they just putting together two lists for if we go up or stay down, focusing on the summer? It borders on negligence to just do nothing.

They should be proactive and looking to help. Firstly there are still free agents. Some became free agents not so long back and some are still playing so dismissing them all as needing too long to get up to speed is just lazy when your bench is untried kids.

On one hand you have Kiwi former West Ham player Winston Reid. Played in last year's play off final for Brentford. He's unattached, but still representing New Zealand in training camps and qualifiers so it's not as if he's at home just getting fat or not doing football training or playing games.

Isaac Mbenza, 26, played a couple of seasons at Huddersfield after arriving for 10m from Montpellier, can play across the forwards and was last in Qatar.

There are other 'regular' free agents of course. But then there is the emerging situations.

I posted a thread in the rumours; FIFA has confirmed that they have temporarily changed the transfer rules for foreign players under contract in Russia and Ukraine. Those players are now available on the transfer market. Clubs are only allowed to sign players until Apr. 7 and every club abroad is only allowed to sign two affected players. Why not look into it?


Contact Shakhtar Donetsk. Get in touch with Dynamo Kyiv. Offer a couple of their foreign players (a quite literal) lifeline. The former has a number of high profile Brazilian players for instance.

In addition, a number of Russian clubs have released foreign players. Why would we not investigate this? We are just out of the PL one season. We will have had global coverage the past 2 years and we are challenging to go back up and may potentially offer a PL lifeline to a player.

Take Yaroslav Rakitskiy. Ukranian, 32, left footed centre back, a regular in the Champions League for Shakhtar Donetsk. Spoke out about the war and was released. Move Egan to RCB and we aren't relying on kids anymore.

Another one of the players released by Krasnodar, Remy Cabella, formerly of Newcastle, goalscoring midfielder, 32.

Viktor Claesson, left midfielder, could play in the forward line, 30, another Krasnodar releasee.

I'm not suggesting that any are absolutely perfect. But isn't this where the recruitment team show their worth? Explore. Make a few phone calls. Be bold. Be audacious. It would be for a couple of months, max 2 players if loans. It is a unique situation. You could get a player ordinarily out of your reach for a crucial period; a ringer. Work with it. Not all teams have a need for players. We do. Not all players are looking for clubs and happy to move abroad. They are. How dynamic would we be if we pounced and it gave us an advantage?

Come on United. Shake yourselves. We have a great chance but the manager needs some help. Don't sit idly by. Try to be the difference.
Excellent post 👏
 
I think we could genuinely be up shit creek with no paddle the start of next season if we don't go up this year


Our Best players leaving either on loan or likely to be sold doesn't bode well


Got no probs with Billy signing for another year , but he should not be the main striker if we keep playing him it blocks the path for Jebbinson / Brewster / mcburnie /ndiaye it isn't a viable long term plan

He is a blades legend but the success/future of the club goes ahead of him which is what a lot of fans cant grasp along with simple maths IMO

All those ukranian players would require money , money which has been spent on other teams training facilities
Your enthusiasm and positivity know no bounds !
You seem to find the greatest negativity in all things Blades.
 

To be honest it would be a tough choice between war-torn Kiev and Shirecliffe - I think I'd favour the former, especially at night when it's probably safer!

Even though transfers are allowed, I assume there'd still be the issue of work permits. TBH any Brazilian (or other nationalities') internationals would command salaries way in excess of what Utd would be able to offer anyway.

A fair shout regarding the trainings facilities though. I no longer live in the area either so I'm not up to date on potentially suitable facilities - a shame there's no longer any pitches at Abbeydale given most of the side live within a mile. Don't the club have their indoor pitch they could use?
 
There are a couple of things bubbling at the moment and I don't mean Fallowfield when Billy's new contract gets announced!

I just wonder if we couldn't be a little bit more proactive and take the bull by the horns more.

1. The training ground. I get that long term we want a new site and there will be a reluctance to spend too much on the current one when your designs are elsewhere, so park that aspect. It seems the pitches are boggy at the moment. So, as others have also commented, why not just find something elsewhere that isn't suffering as badly from this weather and rent that? If you had a water leak in your bedroom, you'd move to another room until it was fixed or even move to alternative temporary accommodation. You wouldn't just wake up soaked every day and then do the same the following day without doing something to improve or negate the situation. They must be able to arrange with some school, one of the Universities, some private facilities, even if slightly outside Sheffield. How hard is it to find one pitch that is better then the current one if it is so bad? Are we too snobbish for common sense? I don't live in Sheffield but I bet a few on here with local knowledge could come up with alternative pitches that have a decent playing surface to practice on.

2. Injuries. The squad is depleted. What are we doing about it? If you had people on long term sick in your company you'd make do for a while but if this trend continued would you just let your ever decreasing workforce try to absorb more and more until breaking point or would you eventually reach out to that temp agency to get some short term help? What are the recruitment team doing now? Are they just putting together two lists for if we go up or stay down, focusing on the summer? It borders on negligence to just do nothing.

They should be proactive and looking to help. Firstly there are still free agents. Some became free agents not so long back and some are still playing so dismissing them all as needing too long to get up to speed is just lazy when your bench is untried kids.

On one hand you have Kiwi former West Ham player Winston Reid. Played in last year's play off final for Brentford. He's unattached, but still representing New Zealand in training camps and qualifiers so it's not as if he's at home just getting fat or not doing football training or playing games.

Isaac Mbenza, 26, played a couple of seasons at Huddersfield after arriving for 10m from Montpellier, can play across the forwards and was last in Qatar.

There are other 'regular' free agents of course. But then there is the emerging situations.

I posted a thread in the rumours; FIFA has confirmed that they have temporarily changed the transfer rules for foreign players under contract in Russia and Ukraine. Those players are now available on the transfer market. Clubs are only allowed to sign players until Apr. 7 and every club abroad is only allowed to sign two affected players. Why not look into it?


Contact Shakhtar Donetsk. Get in touch with Dynamo Kyiv. Offer a couple of their foreign players (a quite literal) lifeline. The former has a number of high profile Brazilian players for instance.

In addition, a number of Russian clubs have released foreign players. Why would we not investigate this? We are just out of the PL one season. We will have had global coverage the past 2 years and we are challenging to go back up and may potentially offer a PL lifeline to a player.

Take Yaroslav Rakitskiy. Ukranian, 32, left footed centre back, a regular in the Champions League for Shakhtar Donetsk. Spoke out about the war and was released. Move Egan to RCB and we aren't relying on kids anymore.

Another one of the players released by Krasnodar, Remy Cabella, formerly of Newcastle, goalscoring midfielder, 32.

Viktor Claesson, left midfielder, could play in the forward line, 30, another Krasnodar releasee.

I'm not suggesting that any are absolutely perfect. But isn't this where the recruitment team show their worth? Explore. Make a few phone calls. Be bold. Be audacious. It would be for a couple of months, max 2 players if loans. It is a unique situation. You could get a player ordinarily out of your reach for a crucial period; a ringer. Work with it. Not all teams have a need for players. We do. Not all players are looking for clubs and happy to move abroad. They are. How dynamic would we be if we pounced and it gave us an advantage?

Come on United. Shake yourselves. We have a great chance but the manager needs some help. Don't sit idly by. Try to be the difference.

Nope we are always reactive to situations rather than proactive before they occur.

Enuff said.
 
Many more don't
The difference is that young English footballers are less likely to speak the language of the country to which they may be transferred than their counterparts in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe.
 
The difference is that young English footballers are less likely to speak the language of the country to which they may be transferred than their counterparts in Scandinavia or Eastern Europe.
The wages young English players get currently far outstrip their European counterparts at a similar standard too. Unless you're either at the very top of the game or struggling for a contract there's just very little financial incentive
 
The wages young English players get currently far outstrip their European counterparts at a similar standard too. Unless you're either at the very top of the game or struggling for a contract there's just very little financial incentive
...but what a great opportunity to expand your horizons and grow up, without detrimentally affecting your career.
 
...but what a great opportunity to expand your horizons and grow up, without detrimentally affecting your career.
100% agree. I remember being really disappointed that Sol Campbell signed for Arsenal when Bayern and Juventus wanted him as well. But I think it's the biggest and clearest example of the difference between footballers and normal people. So many of us would go abroad for the experience
 
One player has already taken advantage of the Russian element of the window to at least release himself from a Russian team.

Sylvester Igboun:


His recent scoring record isn't the best though did well at Brentford's sister club.

I still think this situation is worth keeping an eye on (the ruling). He was on the bench early March for his club and last played end Feb so the players who look at this ruling are going to be match fit.

The third oldest player on our bench is 20. I really do think this is an olive branch worth exploring.
 
Times must be bad, when we are looking at war and mass death of innocents as a potential opportunity to strengthen our weak , I jury riddled squad.

The situation at the lane is nothing compared to what they are suffering over there.

🟦🟨
 

The players that you mention, particularly Isaac Mbenza and Ratziski (a champions league regular) will be holding out for a lot more money in terms of wages than what we can offer them. That’s unfortunately where we as a club have fallen short. Instead of getting players on a free but paying big wages, we have paid large transfer fees but relatively low wages on players like McBurnie and Brewster.
 

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

All advertisments are hidden for logged in members, why not log in/register?

Back
Top Bottom