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Balham Blade said:
It's not just that. Last season, Stevens and Baldock played high enough up to effectively make a midfield 5 which in turn reduced the amount of ground the central three had to cover. Leicester were the first to exploit the gaps in the channels behind the wingbacks last season, we reacted by tweaking Baldock and Stevens' responsibilities slightly to make them more defensive but the knock-on of that is that the midfield three suddenly had an extra 40% of the pitch to cover.

My main criticism of Wilder is that has been obvious to me as a lay person for months but we've done absolutely nothing to counter it. Either switch from a back five to a back four or drop one of the strikers back into midfield. Don't tie up nearly half your outfield players in positions which have been outmaneuvered (three centre halves typically marking one central forward; two centre forwards isolated), do something to counter it.
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Spot on buddy. Watching our setup this year has been the old definition of insanity - doing the same thing, yet expecting a different outcome...
 

pommpey said:
------------------------------------------------Hope---------------------------------------------

------------Badger-------------------------------------------------------------Hemsley---------

-----------------------Flynn----------------Colquhoun---------------Hockey-------------------

--Woodward--------------Currie------------Dearden----------Salmons--------------Reece---

Fucking joy of joys!

pommpey
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I’m quite sure you know that the side would not have been set up quite like that but with Badge , Eddie , JF and Ted as a back 4 . Hockey would have been the holding midfielder (or the Norwood role as you prefer to call it :) ) .

TC and Geoff were the creative/attacking midfielders behind two wide players and a centre forward , so 4-1-2-3.

This is a system still often (but not always) used today by many successful teams including Man C , Man U and Liverpool , but what do they know ?

Everyone will tell you that whether you’re up against Accrington Stanley at home or Paris St. Germain away , 5-3-2 always gives you the best chance of winning a football match ..........
 
Eddy's tactical philosophy would work without major wholesale changes and without stripping away the spine of the team, just need a couple of pacy wingers to play his 4,4,1,1.
 
pommpey said:
------------------------------------------------Hope---------------------------------------------

------------Badger-------------------------------------------------------------Hemsley---------

-----------------------Flynn----------------Colquhoun---------------Hockey-------------------

--Woodward--------------Currie------------Dearden----------Salmons--------------Reece---

Fucking joy of joys!

pommpey
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BoSS goes all dewy-eyed
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
I’m quite sure you know that the side would not have been set up quite like that but with Badge , Eddie , JF and Ted as a back 4 . Hockey would have been the holding midfielder (or the Norwood role as you prefer to call it :) ) .

TC and Geoff were the creative/attacking midfielders behind two wide players and a centre forward , so 4-1-2-3.

This is a system still often (but not always) used today by many successful teams including Man C , Man U and Liverpool , but what do they know ?

Everyone will tell you that whether you’re up against Accrington Stanley at home or Paris St. Germain away , 5-3-2 always gives you the best chance of winning a football match ..........
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Spoilsport ;)
 
I dont really believe the "long list" of applicants.
 
"It is not an essential requirement and the new man will not be restricted to this tactic in the future"
 
pommpey said:
------------------------------------------------Hope---------------------------------------------

------------Badger-------------------------------------------------------------Hemsley---------

-----------------------Flynn----------------Colquhoun---------------Hockey-------------------

--Woodward--------------Currie------------Dearden----------Salmons--------------Reece---

Fucking joy of joys!

pommpey
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Like in the past you have selected players in wrong positions. Flynn was left footed and Hockey right footed
 
Isaw Joeshaw said:
I’m quite sure you know that the side would not have been set up quite like that but with Badge , Eddie , JF and Ted as a back 4 . Hockey would have been the holding midfielder (or the Norwood role as you prefer to call it :) ) .

TC and Geoff were the creative/attacking midfielders behind two wide players and a centre forward , so 4-1-2-3.

This is a system still often (but not always) used today by many successful teams including Man C , Man U and Liverpool , but what do they know ?

Everyone will tell you that whether you’re up against Accrington Stanley at home or Paris St. Germain away , 5-3-2 always gives you the best chance of winning a football match ..........
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For the first 10 to 15 games of 1971-72 season it was more like

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Silent Blade said:
For the first 10 to 15 games of 1971-72 season it was more like

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always thought it was more like 424 silent tc and hockey as the 2 but going to 442 when we hadnt got the ball oh if only some of the young blades on here could have seen that team under mercurial john harris fantastic era for the club if our board had had any sort of ambition and signed more quality players we could have been league champions like derby did in the early 70s
 
Silent Blade said:
Like in the past you have selected players in wrong positions. Flynn was left footed and Hockey right footed
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Yeah, alright Silent. This aint like 'serious' shit, is it?

You say I have done this before? Do you have an .xls on 'mistakes made by S24SU/BUVP/SUISA posters' stretching back 20-odd years?

pommpey
 
Just a couple of points on formations and tactics. Any new innovate formation and tactics is usually most effective in it's first 2 to 3 years. The first year 1 team really has it up to speed and takes advantage. Year 2 a few more teams try to copy it. Year 3 more jump on the band wagon but on the downside there are more teams looking at how to counteract it. At this stage 1 or 2 teams have figured out how to effectively play against it. Year 4 the every team has copped on.
It doesn't matter whether it is Football. Rugby Basketball or Gaelic Games in Ireland. Tactics and formations evolve.

The other point to make is that no matter what system you play generally the team with more skilful players wins. Even more so if the players have the flexibility and confidence in decision making as the game unfolds. That's where good leaders on the pitch stand out.

We need to play to a system but have the flexibility to adapt during a game. But to a greater degree we need good leaders and decision makers on the pitch. This season we have been too rigid in our approach which as exposed a number of areas of our team.

Brian Clough reckoned you needed 3 key players. Goalkeeper. Centre Back and Centre forward had to be top quality. My own opinion is you need 4. A good central midfielder who can read the game and can adjust and dictate what is happening around him. I saw Ray Wilkins run the show for QPR in 93 at the end of his career. Sherwood in 95 ran Blackburns midfield. Blackpool when in the PL had Charlie Adam.

We have Norwood Fleck and Lundstram.....Berge has skill but hasn't been the right fit to dictate play.

So who ever comes in next season as manager needs to find a few new players with the right type of skill set to dictate the tempo of any formation we want to play.
 
Silent Blade said:
For the first 10 to 15 games of 1971-72 season it was more like

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Exactly so , which is the 4-1-2-3 I referred to .

Looking back at it now , doesn’t it seem odd to to have a lineup that has natural defenders in defensive positions and naturally creative / attacking players in creative / attacking roles and having 5 of them , with no full backs masquerading as wingers or centre halves trying to be inside forwards .

If only John Harris had understood 3-5-2 ......... :D
 
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ancientblade said:
always thought it was more like 424 silent tc and hockey as the 2 but going to 442 when we hadnt got the ball oh if only some of the young blades on here could have seen that team under mercurial john harris fantastic era for the club if our board had had any sort of ambition and signed more quality players we could have been league champions like derby did in the early 70s
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Salmons played in the left wing in 2nd division games but kind of dropped deeper in the 1st division. What was Scullion's usual position? He had the habit of beating defenders in a run and then shooting over the bar.
 
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