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Surely that's hindsight? When we sold him, he'd played 30 games in the 2017-18 season - started just 9, on as sub. 21 times, substituted 5 times and scored just 3. That's 30 appearances in total, so I don't think anybody's suggesting his season was glandular fever-wracked.

FWIW both Brooks himself and Wilder suggest this very thing in "He's one of our own".
 
Could have just as easily gone the other way and he turned out to be a Jordan Slew....we would all be laughing then about how we had pulled Bournemouths pants down.

£11m was a good price for him, a very good deal for the club. We are not wealthy enough to fend off such offers and will have inserted a good sell-on fee that will see at least 10% of a future sale land in our coffers, (OK McCabe and the Princes back pockets maybe)......

I'm delighted for the lad that he is doing well, just as I am for Harry & Kyle.

You know, it would be nice to be delighted that these lads were in our team.

Once again last season we finished very high in that table that shows the number of minutes academy graduates from each club play in the PL. Top 10 I think, possibly top 5. No other lower division club is anywhere near. That's Jags, Maguire, Walker, DCL, Lowton, Naughton...still be high this year with Brooks coming in.

Now, set that against the club having played 1 season in the top flight since the academy was established.

All those good players produced, PL quality players, and we can't get in the top flight.

Whilst acknowledging the fine work Wilder usually does in the transfer market since his appointment, doesn't that suggest to anyone that there has been something wrong with our transfer strategy?
 
Every fucking day. Same posters coming out with the same shit. It’s like being in an old people’s home.

Can understand the dissapointment but it really is a pointless argument.

Many years ago my relatives had a working mans club.
This disabled guy (mid 30’s) used to come limping to the bar on his crutches.
After a few drinks it was the same story over and over again.

‘Did you know I used to play for Man United me.
The coaches said I could have gone to the top of the game.
I actually played a few games in the same Man United youth team as Giggs and Beckham, then the doctors discovered I had weak knees Had a major op but it failed so I had to pack in football aged 21.
I should now be living in a mansion on £100K a week
But instead I live in a council house on £100 per week disability.

Another example is listening to a bloke who rambles on about how clever he was but his parents didn’t send him to university. So now he goes on about if it wasn’t for his parents he’d now be a lawyer or a doctor in a big house with a fit wife instead of being a factory worker, single in a rented house. Different player transfers have totally different effects on players.
 
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You know, it would be nice to be delighted that these lads were in our team.

Once again last season we finished very high in that table that shows the number of minutes academy graduates from each club play in the PL. Top 10 I think, possibly top 5. No other lower division club is anywhere near. That's Jags, Maguire, Walker, DCL, Lowton, Naughton...still be high this year with Brooks coming in.

Now, set that against the club having played 1 season in the top flight since the academy was established.

All those good players produced, PL quality players, and we can't get in the top flight.

Whilst acknowledging the fine work Wilder usually does in the transfer market since his appointment, doesn't that suggest to anyone that there has been something wrong with our transfer strategy?

I think it is just a simple case of us keeping the club running, we make a "loss" most years and therefore can't afford to turn down good money.

Thank goodness for our excellent academy, where would we be without the money we have received for our young players over the years, either up-front or via a sell-on clause..?
 
I think it is just a simple case of us keeping the club running, we make a "loss" most years and therefore can't afford to turn down good money.

Thank goodness for our excellent academy, where would we be without the money we have received for our young players over the years, either up-front or via a sell-on clause..?

I don't know. One place we might have been is the PL at some point, or in the championship for longer. The point is that what we are doing has not bought PL football.
 
In today's football, Premier League clubs basically start at £10-15m for players. Even turd clubs like Bournemouth drop those sort of sums without even flinching. Those sort of fees are basically what gets thrown around on any old run-of-the mill squad player. The top 5 or 6 clubs, meanwhile, are now in a world where the starting point seems to be £35-40m.

Sheffield United has never lived in the real world, however. We laugh at Barnsley for being the land that time forgot, but in terms of football finances, we're no better.

£12m is a paltry sum in today's market. Absolutely pathetic. It certainly can't be classed as "silly money" unless the connotation of 'silly' is the opposite i.e. silly because it's a giveaway. It doesn't set the club up financially and it doesn't give us any particular muscle in the transfer market. Watch the sums of money that other Championship clubs throw around in coming weeks on Premier League failures or Championship specialists from rival clubs.

Frankly, this better not be true.

No hindsight from me (nor many other Blades). This is what I said on 27 June 2018, on the day that news of Bournemouth's offer broke.

I knew that Brooks was a really special player, the very first time I saw him come on as a substitute against Orient in the FA Cup. You could just tell; it shone like a beacon even in the midst of a game that we were strolling. I still remember him, within minutes of coming on, performing an outrageous piece of skill to totally bamboozle a defender. It was in the goalmouth at the Kop end and even though, the game was already well won by then, the piece of skill just screamed of a once in a generation (certainly for this club) player who crucially had the confidence and arrogance to go with his skill. The sort of belief in his own ability that Currie had. In fact, I recall that Currie himself said it about Brooks.

That said, I also said, on another thread at the time, that I had no particular problem with the sale from a team-building point of view, because, frankly, the 2017/18 season had shown that either we didn't necessarily know how best to use him or that he didn't fit easily into our system. My concern was that we should get a proper fee for him and we plainly failed to do that.

We frequently see the point made that, 'Bournemouth's was the only offer on the table'. Personally, I think that's flawed. It also seems to be based on a starting assumption that once an offer comes in for a player, an obligation to sell is triggered. Yes, it may be difficult to hold on to players when a Premier League club comes offering big wages, but it's not impossible; Premier League money doesn't override the English law of contract.

As for Bournemouth's offer being the only bid in play, it can hardly be said that we played hard-ball on the sale. The rumour broke on 27 June; 2 days later Brooks was having a medical; and on 1 July he was gone. Unseemly haste to desperately grab the money. Who knows what other interest may have been flushed out, had United just dug in a little?

Anyway, we know there are differing opinions amongst Blades about the Brooks sale and that won't change. The most telling testimony is from Howe himself, though, who has stated that he knows he got Brooks at a bargain price and that he knows full well that he did so on the back of Brooks having his season disrupted with illness. Howe knew, however, that irrespective of an illness-affected drop in form, Brooks was a special talent and, ultimately, because Howe is an excellent judge of a player (safe to say that his career is proving that), Bournemouth mugged us on this deal.
 
FWIW both Brooks himself and Wilder suggest this very thing in "He's one of our own".
A persons year is wrecked by glandular fever never mind their season, and they're the lucky ones. A good argument in favour of selling him was that he might never be the same again.
 
I don't know. One place we might have been is the PL at some point, or in the championship for longer. The point is that what we are doing has not bought PL football.

There's no doubt that selling our best talent hasn't helped but neither has a succession of generally dog-shit managers.......it's always going to be a struggle for a club like ours.....it's a vicious circle.....like it or not we needed to sell our young talent to help balance the books. The incumbent Manager is then given a reasonable budget but pisses it up the wall on Dean Hammonds and we rot in League One for 6 years....thankfully we now have a Management team who appear to be a bit more canny in the transfer market.

I still think however our next hot young talent to come off the Shirecliffe production line will go the same way, regardless of what division we are in, we just might get a higher, more well structured fee. this will go on whilstever we are struggling to balance the books....only a sugar daddy will stop this!
 
Brooks is a winger at Bournmouth, we don’t use the type of player in Wilders extremely effective system.

Brooks is anything but a winger at Bournemouth. OK he can get wide and put crosses in but so does JOC. Alan Woodward was a winger. The only thing to discuss here is who you're insulting the most, Woody or Brooks.
 
United won’t gamble on potential, I believe they welcome interest from other clubs, even encourage it.
The academy exists purely to generate money for the first team. It operates like a racehorse breeder. But they retain some interest in their products future with a sell on clause. Some go on to win the Grand National some end up at the local point to point.
Sheffield United is a business, football is a ruthless profession with little room for sentiment, they will always look to offload their youngest assets. It will always be so :(
 
United won’t gamble on potential, I believe they welcome interest from other clubs, even encourage it.
The academy exists purely to generate money for the first team. It operates like a racehorse breeder. But they retain some interest in their products future with a sell on clause. Some go on to win the Grand National some end up at the local point to point.
Sheffield United is a business, football is a ruthless profession with little room for sentiment, they will always look to offload their youngest assets. It will always be so :(

It’s not just United. Don’t think any club gambles much on potential. It’s all about the “here and now”.
It’s the culture, managers rarely plan for the future as they receive no credit at the time, if the team are losing.
Fans never talk about building for the future and having loads of young talent if their team are struggling.

Man City let Jayden Sanchez go to Borussia Dortmund
Chelsea will probably sell Hudson Adoi.
Both had massive potential but neither are/ were good enough for the 1st team at the time.
 
£ 11 million = Buttons (other spellings are available).

I would love to see the bank statements of people who write such.

All these fantastic players we produce show what a superb academy we have, one of the best in the country.

This is a result of millions invested by McCabe.

Part of an all round, on the up well run football club.

UTB.

GLTTL.

Pigs have tried the alternative route, place a £ 14 million valuation on the Fairy and watch the buyers line up and start a bidding war.
Or stay under embargo for the next season and a half.

FTP.
 



until we stop selling we will never achieve anything

See Rusty Rovers, the alternative to selling players, is the fans contributing £ 600 season tickets 8 years payment up front anyone ?

" Last season I bought a 5 year season ticket to add to the last year of a 3 year deal, I have emailed this club1867 to see if that 5 year deal counts for this new 1867club and told no, I have to subscribe to the new concept to extend my season ticket further by e.g 3 years, hence before a ball is kicked for next season I will then have 8 year season ticket, then what happens next season adding more years?"

From Snort Talk.

You would prefer a club run this way by an owner worth billions allegedly. Many fools over there voted for it.
 
Isn't it just as simple as:

*His new agent saw more potential for him in the Prem.
*A premier league club would massively increase his wages
*Clubs like Man U, Liverpool, Spurs, Man City would put him in the reserves.
*Bournemouth have an excellent manager who the agent (and CW) knew would treat him correctly and develop him as a player.

In the end it was up to the player. He chose to take the opportunity - and who could possibly blame him for that? Which of us would not seize the chance solely on the basis of quadrupling our wages alone?

Answers on a post card to Mr. KM, SUFC


Very best of luck to the lad.
 
The lack of backbone shown by the club at times is similarly frightening.

Accepted, our club is far from perfect, but the lack of realism of fans is contained within these pages is in black and white - the going on behind the scenes (particularly at boardroom) level is 100% speculation by said same fans.

It is as bush wrote earlier:

Every fucking day. Same posters coming out with the same shit. It’s like being in an old people’s home.

I really question how some of our fans get through the day at times.

Some just can't move on for whatever reason known only to themselves.

UTB
 
The club which showed the real lack of ambition in letting Topplayersleave for buttons was Man City in letting us have Brooks in the first place.

Though as some said earlier this season we only have average players, getting £ 11 million for an average player is good business in my book.
 
Which is why many of our fans all live in million pound mansions - Its an investment and will pay for itself later.

Again - we sell all our best players to the PL. we have 1 season in the PL in the last 25 years. And 6 seasons in league one. Is this really the best strategy.

(And I sold my million pound mansion, for the record)
 
We’ve got a sizeable sell-on and sold a young talent for around £15m

James Maddison went for £20m who was more proven at that level.

Like it or not, football has a food chain. Even clubs like Spurs lose their players when Real Madrid comes calling.
 
Again - we sell all our best players to the PL. we have 1 season in the PL in the last 25 years. And 6 seasons in league one. Is this really the best strategy.

(And I sold my million pound mansion, for the record)

We’re the runnings costs more than your income?

;)
 
Whilst acknowledging the fine work Wilder usually does in the transfer market since his appointment, doesn't that suggest to anyone that there has been something wrong with our transfer strategy?

Financial constraints from above? Most Rotherham fans think Paul Warne is a good manager, but they won't give him any money. Barnsley fans think Daniel Stendel is doing an excellent job, but they keep selling players from under him.

CW has to fish in shallow waters and not every signing will come off, but people like Carvalhal & Bruce get loads of money and are still crap managers.
 
We’ve got a sizeable sell-on and sold a young talent for around £15m

James Maddison went for £20m who was more proven at that level.

Like it or not, football has a food chain. Even clubs like Spurs lose their players when Real Madrid comes calling.

Spurs bought Son Heung-min (now aged 26) in August 2015 for £22m on a 5-year contract. At his former club - Bayer Leverkusen - he'd scored 21 in 62. At Spurs, he's scored 39 in 117 - all in the PL. That's a bargain!
 
As we have (now out on loan) the 3rd highest scorer of last season (19 goals) in Leon Clarke, I wonder what some of the pundits on here would value him at ?

I'll start with one possibility.

Brooks was sold for £ 11 million after scoring only 3 goals so Clarke must be worth £ 15-20 million.

If we sold him for £ 15 million that would be peanuts/buttons.

It's easy being a pundit.
 



We must be well into double figures for Brooks threads over 100 posts. Unsurprisingly.

I just avoid them all now because it irritates me too much.

We're looking more ridiculous by the week.
 

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