davidpinder
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that Chris Porter has started all 3 friendlies??????????
Anyone else worried?
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I'm not worried that's he started all 3 friendlies,........I am worried he's our leading goalscorer.
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I'm not worried in the slightest that he's started all three games. I rate Porter. What I am worried about is that he has seemingly been played as a lone striker in all three, which he certainly is not.
Porter is a decent forward at this level but he needs a goal scorer along side him. He isn't the sort of player to create goals for himself. He creates them for his strike partner, if he has one.
The division is shit. We don't want to be playing with one striker. Go for it with two forwards and attacking wingers like we did in Wilson's first season please.
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No, but i might be if we reach August and we still haven't signed a striker.
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Given a 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 formation it Isn't a surprise. Might change with further incomings.
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I'm worried that people don't actually watch what he does on the pitch.
Yes it'd be nice if we had better, but as I've said elsewhere, make him chances and he can score, he's also better at bringing others into the game than many would suggest.
In around 140 minutes of football pre-season your worried about him having, he's scored 2 goals.
Yes it'd be nice if we had better, but as I've said elsewhere, make him chances and he can score, he's also better at bringing others into the game than many would suggest.
In around 140 minutes of football pre-season your worried about him having, he's scored 2 goals.
Glad for him that the new manager is willing to give him a little bit more of a chance than some fans. He's certainly not the answer if we're going to play with one up as mentioned, but with a decent partner who is capable of feeding off him he's easily good enough. Ask Miller.
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I am worried he is the only option at the moment, he was a last desperate option at the end of 2011/12 and the same at the end of 2012/13. For him to be first choice or so it seems at the start of 2013/14 it is a worry yes. 2 goals against these mighty scottish sides doesn't mean a great deal to me. I guess you can't ask for much more from him but it just a worried that he is the way we have gone.
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I think the sooner everyone realises that we're an average third division side the better. Let's just see how we get on in the real world when the season starts. I do hope though, that we don't plan to play just one up front on a regular basis. Apart from being pretty boring, our lone striker is going to get some stick from the fickle ones as soon as he hits a barren spell.
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Miller was a good example of this. I'm not a massive fan of porter, but he worked well with miller. He certainly looked a better partner than Blackman did.
I can't talk about how the team have played in preseason as I've paid little attention so far, it's too early in the summer for me to get interested in footy yet. But I would agree that from last season we need more options up front. Players who can adapt to different systems and players that can make an impact. We had too few of these last season.
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I can't believe that people actually rate Porter, we are in the third tier I realise that, but he simply isn't good enough to be a threat even at this level.
Unfortunately for him, he occupies a position that probably has most significant influence on the success or failure of the team. It is a role in which we cannot accept mediocrity, if we have realistic ambitions of promotion. I'd be very disappointed if we were not looking to sign another striker.
Unfortunately for him, he occupies a position that probably has most significant influence on the success or failure of the team. It is a role in which we cannot accept mediocrity, if we have realistic ambitions of promotion. I'd be very disappointed if we were not looking to sign another striker.
i'm worried if our strike force stays as it is now and we have plans to get promoted.
Porter seems to be doing fine at the mo, but its pre season friendlies, and who else is there if he's not scoring/injured/suspended? we don't look a team with goals in us and struggled all last season for goals.
Porter seems to be doing fine at the mo, but its pre season friendlies, and who else is there if he's not scoring/injured/suspended? we don't look a team with goals in us and struggled all last season for goals.
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Let's just let August come shall we? I suspect we shall see further recruitment that might allay any fears.
It seems to me that, every season, some of us suffer from premature exasperation. Is it the Bladesfans' Way?
It seems to me that, every season, some of us suffer from premature exasperation. Is it the Bladesfans' Way?
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Respectfully, he's not exactly notched against top opposition. I know you can only score against what's put in front of you (and you watch United way more than me), but I think he's rubbish. I don't mind having him as a striker at this level, but if he's our best striker when the season starts I'll be very worried.
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I do think he is best with a strike partner, but Porter is definitely a player who gets stick above and beyond what you might expect. I remember after Brentford away in the 11/12 season, a Blade who had travelled down but didn't get into the game was complaining on the tube away from the ground, saying 'why did Wilson start Porter, what did he even do?' I had to pipe up and say Porter flicked on for Ched to score the first. It is telling though that the first instinct was to try and snipe at Porter when we had just secured a great 2-0 win!
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Yeah but not many to be fair. Only Cresswell and Ironside immediately spring to mind. And one of those is 90 and the other 12. Who else is far shitter than Porter? And don't say Doyle.
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Doyle, Flynn, Hill, Ironside, Doyle
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Last season you cant put Hill in this. He was in the top 3 or 4 for player of the season. Depressing I know.
I would add Westlake to that list mind.
.........oh yes it can, and if the sheer negativity of the small minority of supporters who insist on undermining players before a ball has been kicked in anger doesn't stop then they may get their wish.
Have opinions by all means, it has always been part of the game, but the only consistent thing about them is their inconsistency; opinions differ. So why don't we simply trust somebody like David Weir, who actually knows what he's talking about (as opposed to having largely uninformed opinions) to exercise his judgment and get behind that. Have a bit of thought for the young men (the players) who read such things about themselves, if you choose to air your opinions on Forums like this one. Such criticism is more likely to make them worse not better, and, for those who saw the programme recently on the incidence of depression in footballers, the consequences can be more serious, although the underlying factors in that particular scenario clearly spread wider than sometimes legitimate criticism from the paying public.
The only point I am making here is the obvious one is that they are human beings with hopes, aspirations and feelings like anyone else; they want to be one of the best players in the country, as we want them to be. Most players have weaknesses if you look hard enough, who hasn't, so let's give them a break and a clean slate as DW has and talk more about the positives.
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PS - Before anybody else makes the point, there are some players who depress me too when I watch them but I wouldn't dream of identifying them on here. Neither would I want to make light of what is a very serious subject.
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Fazak you're straying dangerously close to a no-criticism idea there. This forum is the best I've come across for United debate purely because there's not the level of over-the-top criticism you see elsewhere. We can't, however, go around thinking that everything is rosy. We're in the third tier because a succession of playing and coaching staff have failed and we have to accept that.
If criticism is backed up with evidence then it's fine. Saying "he's shit" isn't enough. Porter has got a lot of stick on this thread and most of it isn't evidenced.
If criticism is backed up with evidence then it's fine. Saying "he's shit" isn't enough. Porter has got a lot of stick on this thread and most of it isn't evidenced.
davidpinder
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Evidence why i am worried about him being number 1 choice up front, 8 goals 55 appearances
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Porter_(footballer_born_1983)
Balham
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Fine. I'd use 8 goals in 31 starts, personally which still isn't good but there's more to a striker's game than scoring goals. It's also about positioning and bringing team-mates into the game - Porter's not great at positioning but he is good at bringing in others, just ask Miller.
Foxy has said it a lot, too - if we put the ball in the right place, Porter will score more goals. The "right place" is not with his back to goal, 5 yards inside the opposition half trying to control a ball that McMahon's just fired at his throat.
mattbianco1
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Nothing from the games against these "mighty scottish sides" means a great deal at all. The manager is merely understanding his squad and the options he has available.
If we had lost 5-0 in all three games, that would mean just as much. Nothing.
Thanks, I take your point and wouldn't want to stifle healthy debate and constructive criticism, this is precisely what a forum like this is about. I have been well aware of United's shortcomings for many years!
What I don't like is when such intended criticism, from a small minority, is simply abuse as you describe.
mattbianco1
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Did you rate Emile Heskey?
His career best goals to game ratio is currently a goal every 2.5 games, in his current role in Australia. His best goals to game ratio in England was 1 in 3.8 games at both Leicester & Liverpool.
Despite his horrific goals/games ratio he had a England career spanning 62 caps over 11 years. Why might that be?
And whilst we're on that.. Nick Montgomery >350 games over 12 years (6 different permanent managers). That's how shit the people that matter rate him - the actual MANAGER. Not the FANS.
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Doyle - Flawed.. He gives more to the team than fans give him credit for. Either that or the majority of United fans are just that thick.
Flynn - One of our better players last season. Unfortunately, wingers are renowned for their pace and trickery with their ability to get to the byline and get in great crosses. Flynn has got many great things about his game, again that go unnoticed.
Hill - I don't like Hill. BUT, he stepped up last season both at LB & CB when required and he played really well. Particularly when Collins was out.
Ironside - Seriously? You're going to knock a 19yr old who has played 12 times?
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