Anyone else sick of hearing excuses?

[Deadbat]

Just heard Carver's interview and after listening to Speed and Blackwell before him is anyone else sick of the excuses about officials/bad luck. We are where we are for a reason and it aint down to officials.

By the sounds of it we did ok today but it mattered not one jot. Again.

I am sick of excuses about referees or bad luck.

We have scored the least amount of goals in the league; conceded the most penalties and had the most sent off. Our defending and discipline at the moment is relegation standard. Yet another stupid sending off and deserved. Quinn put his head into their player - he made a meal of it but it was an idiotic thing to do. However, when his ban is up he will be striaght back in the side as was Cresswell as was others earllier in the season. There is noone to come in and take their places so they know their is no consequences for their actions - will he even be fined for today? I doubt it. Nearly every single one of our sendings off this season has been deserved for stupid challenges and illdiscipline and we could have had more. Bartley could have easily gone Saturday.

We continue to lose regularly at home, ship goals every game then we are going down. Simple.

 

[alcoblade]

Until we play with 2 strikers at home then any moaning about decisions seems misplaced.




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[muttsnuts]

Just heard Carver's interview and after listening to Speed and Blackwell before him is anyone else sick of the excuses about officials/bad luck. We are where we are for a reason and it aint down to officials.

By the sounds of it we did ok today but it mattered not one jot. Again.

I am sick of excuses about referees or bad luck.

We have scored the least amount of goals in the league; conceded the most penalties and had the most sent off. Our defending and discipline at the moment is relegation standard. Yet another stupid sending off and deserved. Quinn put his head into their player - he made a meal of it but it was an idiotic thing to do. However, when his ban is up he will be striaght back in the side as was Cresswell as was others earllier in the season. There is noone to come in and take their places so they know their is no consequences for their actions - will he even be fined for today? I doubt it. Nearly every single one of our sendings off this season has been deserved for stupid challenges and illdiscipline and we could have had more. Bartley could have easily gone Saturday.

We continue to lose regularly at home, ship goals every game then we are going down. Simple.

Sounds to me like time for change. Change of manager perhaps?

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Some of the decisions that go against us are ridiculous whether they are used as excuses or not, but I do agree with you to a large extent. The issue I have is with our naivity and lack of professionalism defensively. We shoot ourselves in the foot time and time again, whilst our poor decision making leads to situations where refs are given the opportunity to stitch us up (deliberately or not).

When you're having no luck and not getting the decisions you need to playing better. Pile poor performances on top of that and you'll get nowhere. We dont enjoy the sort of luck that means we can get away with being below par. We need to be more professional, more disciplined and brighter when we're not in possession. Until we achieve those things we will continue to get the shitty end of the stick.

I'm not one of these people that believes "you make your own luck" and all that bollocks. But I do believe you can prevent the reliance on outside influences.

 

[Deadbat]

You could tell by Carver's words he is not going to be there by the weekend.

Adams seems nailed on. For what its worth I think its a typical United appointment. Cheap. It has took us nearly 3 weeks to appoint a manager we could have named immediately after Speed went? What exactly have we been doing in that period?

It looks like they went for O'Driscoll; he turned us down and now they are going to appoint someone who is exactly who they said they would not appoint; a gnarled, round the block veteran (Birch's words - they would stay away from that type) and someone who is known for playing direct, up and at em football they said they wanted to move away from. They may aswell have kept Blackwell.

What a mess the board are making of things. They clearly have no clue what they are doing and they do the opposite to what they say (McCabe end of last season - we wont have lots of loans/short term signings again - this year we have loans again but inferior loans -Calve, Bartley, Nosworthy wont be here at the end of the season and our defence is appalling).

 

[bartman]

Just heard Carver's interview and after listening to Speed and Blackwell before him is anyone else sick of the excuses about officials/bad luck. We are where we are for a reason and it aint down to officials.

By the sounds of it we did ok today but it mattered not one jot. Again.

I am sick of excuses about referees or bad luck.

We have scored the least amount of goals in the league; conceded the most penalties and had the most sent off. Our defending and discipline at the moment is relegation standard. Yet another stupid sending off and deserved. Quinn put his head into their player - he made a meal of it but it was an idiotic thing to do. However, when his ban is up he will be striaght back in the side as was Cresswell as was others earllier in the season. There is noone to come in and take their places so they know their is no consequences for their actions - will he even be fined for today? I doubt it. Nearly every single one of our sendings off this season has been deserved for stupid challenges and illdiscipline and we could have had more. Bartley could have easily gone Saturday.

We continue to lose regularly at home, ship goals every game then we are going down. Simple.

But it does matter.

We have seen games recently where the team looked disinterested,disorganised and poor.

Today we saw a side playing positive football away from home,outplaying an inform Norwich side for the first hour and creating loads of chances.

Today we saw probably the most inept refereeeing display of the season lacking consistancy,application of the laws and control. Whilst the sending off was excusable,the Norwich player feighning injury didn't help(as didn't Reid's headbut which the ref missed) yet the frustrations boiled over as essentially lost the game through 1 nin oenalty that was awarded,1 highly debatable second one that was awarded(Bartley's hands by his sides,ball hit straight at him),a non oenlaty award to Evans just before half time and a hand ball by a Norwich player near the end of the game which the Norwich fans said was a deffo pen.

We created quite a few chances today with Evans(twice) and Cresswell(twice) having good openings.

General feeling after seeing that today is that they have a chance of escaping the drop if they play with that kind of attitude and positivity

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

Keith Edwards picked up that part of the problem is the team don't communicate. The defenders are like total strangers half the time and everything is rushed and panicked.

 

[bartman]

You could tell by Carver's words he is not going to be there by the weekend.

Adams seems nailed on. For what its worth I think its a typical United appointment. Cheap. It has took us nearly 3 weeks to appoint a manager we could have named immediately after Speed went? What exactly have we been doing in that period?

It looks like they went for O'Driscoll; he turned us down and now they are going to appoint someone who is exactly who they said they would not appoint; a gnarled, round the block veteran (Birch's words - they would stay away from that type) and someone who is known for playing direct, up and at em football they said they wanted to move away from. They may aswell have kept Blackwell.


What a mess the board are making of things. They clearly have no clue what they are doing and they do the opposite to what they say (McCabe end of last season - we wont have lots of loans/short term signings again - this year we have loans again but inferior loans -Calve, Bartley, Nosworthy wont be here at the end of the season and our defence is appalling).

They have have interviewed candidates(as fans wanted),not rushed into an appointment(as fans wanted) and you aren't happy as they have not got you fave in O'Driscoll....how is this the Boards fault ? I know they aren't perfect but you seem to looking for an excuase to beat them with.

If SOD has indeed turned us down(and we don't know if he was even offered the job or had an interview) what other credible alternative was there except Adams and Brown?

As for claiming the Adams appintment(if confirmed) is cheap...how do you work that one out.....how much do you want them to spend on a manager and who do you think that would get.

 

[Deadbat]

Adams

They have have interviewed candidates(as fans wanted),not rushed into an appointment(as fans wanted) and you aren't happy as they have not got you fave in O'Driscoll....how is this the Boards fault ? I know they aren't perfect but you seem to looking for an excuase to beat them with.

If SOD has indeed turned us down(and we don't know if he was even offered the job or had an interview) what other credible alternative was there except Adams and Brown?

As for claiming the Adams appintment(if confirmed) is cheap...how do you work that one out.....how much do you want them to spend on a manager and who do you think that would get.

They have not rushed an appointment but if Adams was their man they could have done this in a shot. It does seem like he was not the first choice and maybe we have offered the job to a few others and turned it down. If they wanted O'Driscoll and could not convince him then they have failed which is dsappointing. Whichever way you look at it, I honestly do not think Adams was the man they wanted from listening to Birch the other week do you?

Credible alternatives. I will give you a number. Sam Allardyce (may not come but we should ask), Chris Hughton and Gus Poyet off the top of my head.

Those saying we have no chance of getting 2 of the above 3 are why the club never moves forward. We have to try and get the best available candidate.

How much do I want them to spend? As much as possible to get this club out of the mess they are in. This appointment is crucial. They have got the last 3 wrong. If they get another one wrong; it could lead to a spiral worse than that in the last 70's/early 80's. This is more important than any foreign investment, hotels, academy facilities etc. We get this wrong and we could be a lower division club for the next 10 years+. We may not have much money but McCabe and the board have to dig deep if they want this football club to sucees

As for my opinion on Adams, he is a league 2 manager who was effectively on the way down and out as a manager. Failed badly at Coventry and Brighton in last 2 league jobs and whislt granted he has done ok at Port Vale he is a poor man's Blackwell/Warnock a manager the board openly stated they wanted to move away from; 'changing the philosphy of the club etc'.

As for Adams apppointment being cheap; he will cost very little in compensation (Port Vale in a mess financially) and wages probably will be far less than what they paid Speed. They know whatever they offer will be an improvement on what he is on at Vale. They also know that they wont necessarily have to pay compo/wages for backroom staff as they would with O'Driscoll and many others who rightly would want to bring their own staff.

Of course all these are my opinions and I could be completely wrong. But I will end my reasining but saying how you would feel if United went for Ronnie Moore who in reality is a similiar type candidate; managing in bottom division; managed at Championship before but effectrively been managing higher end of leagues but now right down at bottom for a reason. They have failed at other clubs. How many other Champ clubs would/ have considered Adams considering his recent record at this level?

If Adams is chosen I hope I am wrong and he does really well and shuts me right up but do feel this probable appointment sums up United.

 

[alcoblade]

How could we have appointed Adams in a shot when, as you concede, we've gone for (number 1 choice) O'Driscoll and he's just turned us down as it seems. Surely you can't blame them for trying? I don't follow your point?

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[Pinchy]

They have not rushed an appointment but if Adams was their man they could have done this in a shot. It does seem like he was not the first choice and maybe we have offered the job to a few others and turned it down. If they wanted O'Driscoll and could not convince him then they have failed which is dsappointing. Whichever way you look at it, I honestly do not think Adams was the man they wanted from listening to Birch the other week do you?

Credible alternatives. I will give you a number. Sam Allardyce (may not come but we should ask), Chris Hughton and Gus Poyet off the top of my head.

Those saying we have no chance of getting 2 of the above 3 are why the club never moves forward. We have to try and get the best available candidate.

How much do I want them to spend? As much as possible to get this club out of the mess they are in. This appointment is crucial. They have got the last 3 wrong. If they get another one wrong; it could lead to a spiral worse than that in the last 70's/early 80's. This is more important than any foreign investment, hotels, academy facilities etc. We get this wrong and we could be a lower division club for the next 10 years+. We may not have much money but McCabe and the board have to dig deep if they want this football club to sucees

As for my opinion on Adams, he is a league 2 manager who was effectively on the way down and out as a manager. Failed badly at Coventry and Brighton in last 2 league
jobs and whislt granted he has done ok at Port Vale he is a poor man's Blackwell/Warnock a manager the board openly stated they wanted to move away from; 'changing the philosphy of the club etc'.

As for Adams apppointment being cheap; he will cost very little in compensation (Port Vale in a mess financially) and wages probably will be far less than what they paid Speed. They know whatever they offer will be an improvement on what he is on at Vale. They also know that they wont necessarily have to pay compo/wages for backroom staff as they would with O'Driscoll and many others who rightly would want to bring their own staff.

Of course all these are my opinions and I could be completely wrong. But I will end my reasining but saying how you would feel if United went for Ronnie Moore who in reality is a similiar type candidate; managing in bottom division; managed at Championship before but effectrively been managing higher end of leagues but now right down at bottom for a reason. They have failed at other clubs. How many other Champ clubs would/ have considered Adams considering his recent record at this level?

If Adams is chosen I hope I am wrong and he does really well and shuts me right up but do feel this probable appointment sums up United.

That would be an excellent and accurate analysis of Adams and why he is fundamentally wrong for the job, Deadbat. Foolishly, however, you have omitted two crucial factors that make all the difference: He manages his Division 4 club with PASSION and he is a BLADE.

Bet you feel silly now?

 

[Deadbat]

Sorry if that is confusing.

What I am saying is that Adams is not their first choice I feel.

If they had wanted him all along they would have approached him and appointed him early doors, not waited till last week as the Port Vale Chairman said (approach made on Dec 23rd he said). Surely if they wanted Adams or wanted to look at him they would have gone to Vale a long time before that as a shortlist would be drawn up a few days after Speed went and approaches lodged then interviews; but it seems like they identified one target (SOD) and then moved onto others (Scott, Adams, Peschosolido) after he turned us down?

Basically United have to settle for second best again (not saying Adams will turn out to be second best - he may do well). It seems they went for O'Driscoll first and he turned them down so in effect they did try but they failed.

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That would be an excellent and accurate analysis of Adams and why he is fundamentally wrong for the job, Deadbat. Foolishly, however, you have omitted two crucial factors that make all the difference: He manages his Division 4 club with PASSION and he is a BLADE.

Bet you feel silly now?

Not sure whether there is sarcasm in that post. I am not doubting his passion but you could say that about 20 or 30 other managers in the lower leagues. The fact he is a Blade could be good, could be bad. He knows the club and loves the club but also means he might put up with a lot of the rubbish from the board, broken promises, lies and lack of genuine support; that other managers would not put up with and would walk. He will do everything to make it work. Once again this is good and bad but means board know they may have someone who wont grumble due to his love of the club. Be interesting to see if he can bring his own staff as that will be a sign of how much influence they are giving him? I bet Mr Ellis is still at the club when Adams comes in.

 

[JohnDenver]

Credible alternatives. I will give you a number. Sam Allardyce (may not come but we should ask), Chris Hughton and Gus Poyet off the top of my head.

If you think the first two are realistic then I'd suggest you need your feet reattaching to the floor. We've no money and we're not far off div1.

It's not small time thinking, it's the reality of our situation.

 

[gavtheblade]

our managers are from poundland,why cant we get some investment for fucks sake and get someone decent in.Its doin my nut been a blade of late.

 

[Deadbat]

If you think the first two are realistic then I'd suggest you need your feet reattaching to the floor. We've no money and we're not far off div1.

It's not small time thinking, it's the reality of our situation.

It is the small time thinking that has continually got us to the reality of our situation though hasn't it?

We can afford to go and spend big money on wages for Britton, Evans and Nosworthy (the rumours about how much we are paying him and we only pay 50% of his wage are frightening) but cannot afford to do the same for the manager, the man who is most important of all?

We keep settling for second best and we keep getting second best.

Whether it is because we have no money, no ambition, no idea. The reality is we always go for the cheap options. Always will.

 

[norfolkblade]

Deadbat, in all due respect mate if you actually went to the game yesterday you would see where he was coming from, we were bloody robbed blind yesterday by an incompetent set of officials, the 1st pen changed the game as we had absolutely bossed it up until then.

 

[The One]

I can agree with this post. But yesterday nobody can deny that the referee won the game for Norwich.

 

[bartman]

Our own official website agrees that Norwich's star man was the ref

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10418~52025,00.html

 

[norfolkblade]

Our own official website agrees that Norwich's star man was the ref

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/MatchReport/0,,10418~52025,00.html

No doubt the Fucking Arseholes will dream up some kind of fine for that...

 

[lenners]

Continuing to bleat on and on with excuses will mean one thing only, relegation.
The referee didn't score four goals, Norwich did.
Wake up. Three poor goals against Hull, four more at Norwich, you're dreaming if you think this is about referees.

 

[norfolkblade]

Continuing to bleat on and on with excuses will mean one thing only, relegation.
The referee didn't score four goals, Norwich did.
Wake up. Three poor goals against Hull, four more at Norwich, you're dreaming if you think this is about referees.

Did you go yesterday Len?

 

[lenners]

Did you go yesterday Len?

You must be kidding, I won't be spending owt watching them play away this season.
I do however know that a team that concedes four goals does not do so on the basis of bad luck or bad referreeing.

 

[norfolkblade]

You must be kidding, I won't be spending owt watching them play away this season.
I do however know that a team that concedes four goals does not do so on the basis of bad luck or bad referreeing.

Fair shout on the spend.

However, should you have seen what went on yesterday, I have no doubt in my mind that you would see where we are coming from - admittedly the 1st goal was shite marking yet again, and the 2nd pen (3rd goal) was the kind of decision that wouldn't go against you at home, but was definitely handball. However, the 1st pen was a joke decision, and the 4th goal was due to us having pretty much everyone in their box pushing for an equaliser, we definitely deserved a point yesterday mate and are just shit out of luck!

 

[Mousey]

Having just got back I can confirm we were firmly bent over and fucked by the ref. 3 goals were down to him making an incorrect decision. The free kick for their first goal was soft as anything and shouldn't be a free kick. And the 2 penalties afterwards were just shocking.

If he had been consistant then we would have had 2 penalties which wouldn't have led us to chasing the game in order to conceed the 4th.

If the ref had been fair it may well have ended in either a win or a draw. We did not however, deserve to lose that game at all.

 

[Guesty]

Deadbat, in all due respect mate if you actually went to the game yesterday you would see where he was coming from, we were bloody robbed blind yesterday by an incompetent set of officials, the 1st pen changed the game as we had absolutely bossed it up until then.

And yet, as ever we let one slice of bad luck knock us on our arse. It's pathetic.

 

[norfolkblade]

And yet, as ever we let one slice of bad luck knock us on our arse. It's pathetic.

It wasn't just one slice though, it was several!

 

[Guesty]

As soon as something doesn't go our way though, it knocks the stuffing out of us, and they never look like getting back into it. I remember Morgan, Jags and even Monty used to get stuck in and drive us forward. Now we have Monty bottling challenges that cost us points, ridiculous scraps, and people like Ward, Cresswell and Quinn losing their cool and getting sent off. Extra goals conceded as well. Scunthorpe scored their fourth for instance because Simmonson basically gave up and flicked the ball gently with his boot rather than putting it into row Z.

It's not lack of quality that's going to see us down (but by Christ do we lack it) it's the cowardice, lack of bottle and disgrace under pressure that'll doom us.

 

[shorehamview]

You must be kidding, I won't be spending owt watching them play away this season.

Get a bigger paper round. Son.

 

[JohnDenver]

It is the small time thinking that has continually got us to the reality of our situation though hasn't it?

We can afford to go and spend big money on wages for Britton, Evans and Nosworthy (the rumours about how much we are paying him and we only pay 50% of his wage are frightening) but cannot afford to do the same for the manager, the man who is most important of all?

We keep settling for second best and we keep getting second best.

Whether it is because we have no money, no ambition, no idea. The reality is we always go for the cheap options. Always will.

I disagree. We're in the cack because of the era of big timers under England legend Robson.

Expensive managers do not equate to success. Looking at the most recent successes from similarly positioned clubs in this division, I see Owen Coyle, Ian Holloway and Mick McCarthy. All of whom would have been recruited at little cost.