Any ready for the 1st team?

[finlaytheblade]

Wow the negativity didn't take long to surface.Mr Wilder has been in the job 48 hours and fans are advising him
how bad our development squad is.
He was there and ime sure he will make his own mi nd up how good or bad we are. I think we have some good prospect's,, that's my opinion !!

 

[spongebobblade]

Wow the negativity didn't take long to surface.Mr Wilder has been in the job 48 hours and fans are advising him
how bad our development squad is.
He was there and ime sure he will make his own mi nd up how good or bad we are. I think we have some good prospect's,, that's my opinion !!

Prospects yes, I agree but are they ready for the first team now as our Kevin expects? It could finish them if they were blooded before they were ready or not good enough

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Ben Whiteman. The kid gets seriously stuck in.

Just let others do the creative stuff around him, while he gets the destructive role. Much rather him in there doing that than Basham.

 

[sheffielder]

Wow the negativity didn't take long to surface.Mr Wilder has been in the job 48 hours and fans are advising him
how bad our development squad is.
He was there and ime sure he will make his own mi nd up how good or bad we are. I think we have some good prospect's,, that's my opinion !!

It's the bladeyness way round here unfortunately. Get praised all season for doing well, yet lose the final and they're all shit.

 

[spongebobblade]

The point has to be that the kids should be blooded if and when they are ready, not because it suits McCabes agenda. It could have the opposite effect on our season and the kids careers

 

[Barney]

Wow the negativity didn't take long to surface.Mr Wilder has been in the job 48 hours and fans are advising him
how bad our development squad is.
He was there and ime sure he will make his own mi nd up how good or bad we are. I think we have some good prospect's,, that's my opinion !!

As far as I know the only things people have voiced concerns over have been whether there's any good enough for the first team yet. A few seem to think not many, if any are for next season, which isn't surprising to me.

It only adds worry for if McCabe decides to insist we go through with this little plan of his to get a load of these youngsters near the first team, when clearly a lot, if not mostly all of them aren't ready for it.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Imagine Victorian-era McCabe.

Workhouse for the teens, 23hrs a day, one cold bowl of gruel, thr'pence a month. Young 'uns, diggin' holes for slackers to be thrown in and up chimney's all day and night, groat a month.

Bi reight lad, tha'll be reight.

 

[finlaytheblade]

As far as I know the only things people have voiced concerns over have been whether there's any good enough for the first team yet. A few seem to think not many, if any are for next season, which isn't surprising to me.

It only adds worry for if McCabe decides to insist we go through with this little plan of his to get a load of these youngsters near the first team, when clearly a lot, if not mostly all of them aren't ready for it.

If they arnt good enough then wilder won't play them.Hes not come here to sell his career down the river or to get us relegated.He won't play young players just to satisfy McCabe that would be stupid wouldn't it?! ! !

 

[Barney]

If they arnt good enough then wilder won't play them.Hes not come here to sell his career down the river or to get us relegated.He won't play young players just to satisfy McCabe that would be stupid wouldn't it?! ! !

It certainly would be. Let's hope he can keep McCabe off the track of total delusion. If there's anyone to do that it's him any way, so hopefully that'll be the case.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

End of season.

Kev - Next season, play the kids.
NC - NO.
Kev - Yer fired.

End of season.

Kev - Not to worry NA, you've got my support.
Prince - Nigel, you're playing the kids.
NA - NO.
Prince - You're fired.

Beginning Of Season.

Prince - Chris, the job's yours, there's little money, Play the kids.
Chris - Where do I sign?

 

[Bladeinleeds]

My memory maybe abit fuzzy but did the likes of Jags, tongy and lowton etc really stand out at youth level above everyone else?

I know Maguire and naughton and walker were highly rated. but you're only ever gonna see what they can do if given a chance for a run of games. Some may seize that chance with both hands.

im not suggesting a full youth 11 but around the squad must be better value than journymen signings. At the very minimium some of these boys can add some much needed pace

pretty sure the academy has paid for its self over again - only decision board have got right in past 15 years imo

 

[Deadbat]

Wow the negativity didn't take long to surface.Mr Wilder has been in the job 48 hours and fans are advising him
how bad our development squad is.
He was there and ime sure he will make his own mi nd up how good or bad we are. I think we have some good prospect's,, that's my opinion !!

It's not about negativity it is concerns that McCabe genuinelly feels there is a bunch of players who cna play reguularly in the 1st team and better us. There is not. Barely one player.

That is just realism.

I think we have a few decent prospects (like the keeper a lot and impressed by Semple and Gilmour but these are 16/17 and a year or two away yet) but those that have been regulars in u21's (final or no final) are not good enough for a league one promotion side.

McCabe is right we do need to have a pathway or whatever other buzz word we use for young players and hope we will get a few good uns to come through (had none of note for 4 years since Maguire/Long) but there is not any ready now in my opinion. Hence this talk of cutting the budget and using youth really worries me. Wilder was desperate for this job and sure he will have been told yo use the youth more but has to show strong mentality seen from him in interviews at other clubs and quickly realise that sadly that is not the way to go in the short term. We need 6-8 players in this summer to even have a chance of the top 6. We need to ship out nearly all the dross. If we fail on these key points then we will be in the same place or worse this time next season.

 

[Deadbat]

My memory maybe abit fuzzy but did the likes of Jags, tongy and lowton etc really stand out at youth level above everyone else?

I know Maguire and naughton and walker were highly rated. but you're only ever gonna see what they can do if given a chance for a run of games. Some may seize that chance with both hands.

im not suggesting a full youth 11 but around the squad must be better value than journymen signings. At the very minimium some of these boys can add some much needed pace

pretty sure the academy has paid for its self over again - only decision board have got right in past 15 years imo

Tonge was excellent in the youth team/reserves at 17 and made the first team soon after and was a revelation almost instantly; playing well in midfield and then even better when switched to wide left the enxt season. Jageilka was an odd one. He was steady but nothing better but a good athlete and always had a great deal of pace. He did far better than I amagined. Lowton you are right kicked on late after looking like he would not make it.

So in one sense players can develop late but all three were put into a side at top end of the division above. This is a poor League One and so many Reed, DDG, DCL. Whiteman have had opportunities and not really looked any better than the poor players they have come in for - so they have been no better than the journeyman signings. I would love to say throw 2 or 3 of them in to compliment new signings but I have seen nothing to suggest they are good enough.

 

[spongebobblade]

It's not about negativity it is concerns that McCabe genuinelly feels there is a bunch of players who cna play reguularly in the 1st team and better us. There is not. Barely one player.

That is just realism.

I think we have a few decent prospects (like the keeper a lot and impressed by Semple and Gilmour but these are 16/17 and a year or two away yet) but those that have been regulars in u21's (final or no final) are not good enough for a league one promotion side.

McCabe is right we do need to have a pathway or whatever other buzz word we use for young players and hope we will get a few good uns to come through (had none of note for 4 years since Maguire/Long) but there is not any ready now in my opinion. Hence this talk of cutting the budget and using youth really worries me. Wilder was desperate for this job and sure he will have been told yo use the youth more but has to show strong mentality seen from him in interviews at other clubs and quickly realise that sadly that is not the way to go in the short term. We need 6-8 players in this summer to even have a chance of the top 6. We need to ship out nearly all the dross. If we fail on these key points then we will be in the same place or worse this time next season.

DB You have it absolutely spot on. I was trying to say the same yesterday. I have a genuine fear that if McCabe pushes too hard it will be severely detrimental both to the clubs promotion aims and the young lads themselves. They aren't ready yet and when they are it will be a select few. The majority will fall by the wayside or have careers at a lower standard. That's how it works. There is some good talent there but the step up to league one from under 18/21 level is huge.

 

[larkymasher]

It's not about negativity it is concerns that McCabe genuinelly feels there is a bunch of players who cna play reguularly in the 1st team and better us. There is not. Barely one player.

That is just realism.

I think we have a few decent prospects (like the keeper a lot and impressed by Semple and Gilmour but these are 16/17 and a year or two away yet) but those that have been regulars in u21's (final or no final) are not good enough for a league one promotion side.

McCabe is right we do need to have a pathway or whatever other buzz word we use for young players and hope we will get a few good uns to come through (had none of note for 4 years since Maguire/Long) but there is not any ready now in my opinion. Hence this talk of cutting the budget and using youth really worries me. Wilder was desperate for this job and sure he will have been told yo use the youth more but has to show strong mentality seen from him in interviews at other clubs and quickly realise that sadly that is not the way to go in the short term. We need 6-8 players in this summer to even have a chance of the top 6. We need to ship out nearly all the dross. If we fail on these key points then we will be in the same place or worse this time next season.

Get Semple and Gilmour in and around the first team then. Not saying play them but expose them to what's required at the next level. JPT games on the bench ? League Cup on the bench. Training everyday,, if in 12 months this gives you 2 players prepared to play first team football then great ..
That's how I think youth should come through, not just chucked in.

Just a thought

 

[Bladeinleeds]

Tonge was excellent in the youth team/reserves at 17 and made the first team soon after and was a revelation almost instantly; playing well in midfield and then even better when switched to wide left the enxt season. Jageilka was an odd one. He was steady but nothing better but a good athlete and always had a great deal of pace. He did far better than I amagined. Lowton you are right kicked on late after looking like he would not make it.

So in one sense players can develop late but all three were put into a side at top end of the division above. This is a poor League One and so many Reed, DDG, DCL. Whiteman have had opportunities and not really looked any better than the poor players they have come in for - so they have been no better than the journeyman signings. I would love to say throw 2 or 3 of them in to compliment new signings but I have seen nothing to suggest they are good enough.

I take your point but from a pure economic basis i suspect that reed, ddg and dcl cost less than in wages than 1 woolford. I'll admit to being biased and wanting reed to do well just cos of his talent on the ball.

its odd too cos DDG is one that was apparently the most talented our academy has produced - maybe injuried have scuppered his progression.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Think people are being a bit harsh, Whiteman played fantastic and will play a part next season unless we sign a better tough tackling midfielder. Players like Reed obviously have talent having been called up to England U19s but needs to play in a system that suits him, unfortunately I can't see that happening next season.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

It's not about negativity it is concerns that McCabe genuinelly feels there is a bunch of players who cna play reguularly in the 1st team and better us. There is not. Barely one player.

That is just realism.

I think we have a few decent prospects (like the keeper a lot and impressed by Semple and Gilmour but these are 16/17 and a year or two away yet) but those that have been regulars in u21's (final or no final) are not good enough for a league one promotion side.

McCabe is right we do need to have a pathway or whatever other buzz word we use for young players and hope we will get a few good uns to come through (had none of note for 4 years since Maguire/Long) but there is not any ready now in my opinion. Hence this talk of cutting the budget and using youth really worries me. Wilder was desperate for this job and sure he will have been told yo use the youth more but has to show strong mentality seen from him in interviews at other clubs and quickly realise that sadly that is not the way to go in the short term. We need 6-8 players in this summer to even have a chance of the top 6. We need to ship out nearly all the dross. If we fail on these key points then we will be in the same place or worse this time next season.

I agree we don't have a bunch of players who can play regularly in the first team and better us. But what we do have is a group of young players who can provide sufficient cover to avoid us carrying a large squad of Senior players.

Take our left back position as one example. We have a large number of players who can play in that position (McCeveley, Freeman, Done, Woolford and K.Wallace) but none is a specialist left back and none has proved good enough for a promotion chasing team.

So for me, Wilder should be looking to bring in an established, top quality (at this level) left-back and use K.Wallace and Kelly as cover for that position. That allows him to offload McCeveley, Freeman and Woolford and make better use of their high wages elsewhere.

You can repeat that process for a number of positions with the likes of Ramsdale, Whiteman, Reed, DCL and Brooks who aren't yet ready to be first choices but can step in for short periods as and when required.

That allows Wilder to concentrate his funding on bringing the quality in that's lacking in key positions. Our rivals such as Bradford and Gillingham who don't have that "low cost" strength in depth may struggle now emergency short-term loans have been prevented.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

You wrote it. No harm in clarification because what you said meant something totally different to what you're now claiming you meant. I was just clarifying you weren't thick enough yourself to mean what you wrote.

You work in Health and Safety?

Get involved in RAMS?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

pretty sure the academy has paid for its self over again - only decision board have got right in past 15 years imo

Debatable, seems the first thing we do with anyone decent is flog them because the academy is a drain on costs.

Surely the aim should be to produce 300+ appearance first teamers?

 

[Ecco1889]

My memory maybe abit fuzzy but did the likes of Jags, tongy and lowton etc really stand out at youth level above everyone else?

I know Maguire and naughton and walker were highly rated. but you're only ever gonna see what they can do if given a chance for a run of games. Some may seize that chance with both hands.

im not suggesting a full youth 11 but around the squad must be better value than journymen signings. At the very minimium some of these boys can add some much needed pace

pretty sure the academy has paid for its self over again - only decision board have got right in past 15 years imo

The great Bob Paisley alluded to this,you are never quite sure till you try em in the first team,some grasp the nettle and flourish,unfortunately most don't..but they need a chance

 

[robbiez666]

I think, out of the current crops, Whiteman should be given a go at CM. Long and Adams will start regularly.

Reed, Ramsdale, Semple, Kelly, DDG can offer cover or be on the bench. It's about having a small first XI and then keeping them fit. Using the youth players as cover when needed. We can't afford to have 2 full pros for each position.