And our eternal thanks will go to ............

[s35blade]

I think if by some miracle this season turns round and we start rising up the table our eternal thanks should go to a certain Christopher Morgan. It's been widely acknowledged by everyone around Sheffield football that he did a magnificent job. He got a bunch of deflated players with no confidence and turned them into a good disciplined unit became hard to beat. If we do start rising up the league it was Morgan who built the foundations.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Worst manager in our history. Boring dire football. Spend a lot in 13 games, left us bottom of the third division and knocked out of 2 cups to fourth division opposition. Made decent players look awful and refused to acknowledge he was wrong. Then raped the club of £1,000,000.

Good riddance and fuck off Weir.

UTB

I take it you're not a fan of Mr Weir then Alco ?

 

[brownie4583]

I said on here a few weeks ago that the same set of players will improve when DW is gone and that is the case.
The system he played wasn't working and a change to 4-4-2 by him would have IMO improved results.

 

[Deadly_D'Jaffo]

The only thing i'm half grateful for is some of the players he brought in. DW1 brought in dinosaurs, DW2 was slightly more adventurous who signed the right sort of players for us; Taylor, Baxter, Cuvelier, Brandy and McGinn are players who are at the right age and not only can they compete at this level but also, hopefully, improve should we ever realise our dream of promotion.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Depends if you believe that Weir knew about these players to buy them. I would imagine Baxter is about the only one he might have had a say in. The others came from our own scouting of the best players in our division.

Depends if you believe we have a scouting system!

 

[Pinchy]

I think if by some miracle this season turns round and we start rising up the table our eternal thanks should go to a certain Christopher Morgan. It's been widely acknowledged by everyone around Sheffield football that he did a magnificent job. He got a bunch of deflated players with no confidence and turned them into a good disciplined unit became hard to beat. If we do start rising up the league it was Morgan who built the foundations.

I'm sorry to dissent from Morgan mania but he hasn't built anything at all. He did a decent job as caretaker, that's all. An improvement, certainly, on his poor effort last time he had a go.

I take it all Clough's successes from now on will be down to Morgan but all his failures his own? Sounds a bit too Bladey, Bladey for me.

 

[Darren]

I'm sorry to dissent from Morgan mania but he hasn't built anything at all. He did a decent job as caretaker, that's all and was, of course, a massive improvement on the disastrous Weir regime.. An improvement, certainly, on his poor effort last time he had a go.

I take it all Clough's successes from now on will be down to Morgan but all his failures his own? Sounds a bit too Bladey, Bladey for me.

Fixed if for you.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

The system he played wasn't working and a change to 4-4-2 by him would have IMO improved results.

Only with a change of system alongside it. I constantly reiterate this but a formation is only the shape of a team, it does not dictate now far a side presses up the pitch and what tempo they play at. This was Weir's fundamental problem, not the formation. We were so slow in getting the ball forward and played so cautiously deep as a team that we were never going to frighten anyone.

A 4-5-1 can be more attacking than a 4-3-3 if the team is set up to press higher. Since Weir left we have played on the front foot and pushed higher with an emphasis on more progressive passes. That's why we have improved. That improvement would have been visible in any formation. The 4-4-2 just allows us to link up the play in the final third a little better because we have an extra man up there.

At most the formation is about 10% responsible for the improvement.

 

[brownie4583]

Only with a change of system alongside it. I constantly reiterate this but a formation is only the shape of a team, it does not dictate now far a side presses up the pitch and what tempo they play at. This was Weir's fundamental problem, not the formation. We were so slow in getting the ball forward and played so cautiously deep as a team that we were never going to frighten anyone.

A 4-5-1 can be more attacking than a 4-3-3 if the team is set up to press higher. Since Weir left we have played on the front foot and pushed higher with an emphasis on more progressive passes. That's why we have improved. That improvement would have been visible in any formation. The 4-4-2 just allows us to link up the play in the final third a little better because we have an extra man up there.

At most the formation is about 10% responsible for the improvement.

More than 10% if the players didn't want to play the old system?

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

More than 10% if the players didn't want to play the old system?

A formation isn't a system though, it's just the shape the team adopts when not in possession of the football. Whether or not the players disliked lining up in this way I have no idea.

My point is that our general approach play under Weir (i.e slow sideways passing, men behind the ball at all times, allowing the opposition to push on us) would have made us look crap in any formation.

 

[metalblade]

Is anyone still missing the guy who Weir had supposedly built the team and tactics around ? yeah that's him Kevin McDonald the reason in some peoples eyes that we could create no chances and therefore never score a goal after he went chasing the £££'s at Wolves, a right load of bollocks that was, one man team indeed.
Well anyone still missing the idle money grabbing nesh cnut ?

 

[bladesman3]

Metal blade....thanks for cheering me up with that great post !!

 

[blade too long]

Weir had all the badges and understood the theory , being an ex pro of above average achievement, ie top division and trophy winner, he seemed to have all the tools.
But Ive seen plumbers turn up in brand new vans with impressive set of snap on gear , smartly turned out , but no idea how to make a central heating system work , they know how to attatch a radiator and fit a tap , but some cant get the pilot light to stay on
Weir had no idea why the pilot light wouldnt ignite, no comprehension of getting a spark or applying pressure, his flue was totally blocked

 

[judge]

Great plumbing analogy

 

[diplomat]

I'm sorry to dissent from Morgan mania but he hasn't built anything at all. He did a decent job as caretaker, that's all. An improvement, certainly, on his poor effort last time he had a go.

I take it all Clough's successes from now on will be down to Morgan but all his failures his own? Sounds a bit too Bladey, Bladey for me.

A bit harsh again Pinchy. Morgan's last "poor effort" included two of the best games I saw last season v Swindon and Brentford. The former was an amazing transformation from the crap I'd watched all season. However, I accept that a team can't play all season like that and it was almost like a cup tie. The latter was aided by a mad ref. We also beat Yeovil who were promoted. The home game should have been by two goals too if we'd have been awarded the penno that I believe we deserved.

I'm not going to say he's the business but I saw more excitement and chances in the Swindon game than I did in all weir's combined. . . And it wasn't hoof while he was in charge.

 

[s35blade]

I'm sorry to dissent from Morgan mania but he hasn't built anything at all. He did a decent job as caretaker, that's all. An improvement, certainly, on his poor effort last time he had a go.

I take it all Clough's successes from now on will be down to Morgan but all his failures his own? Sounds a bit too Bladey, Bladey for me.

I just think Morgs did a good job in his short time period as he turned around a group of players that couldn't buy a win. From now one it'll be Cloughs work. You can't seriously believe that yesterday's victory was down to Cloughs genius as he had only been in the job two days and one of them was spent in press conferences.

 

[blade too long]

Morgs inherited a team that had lost its mojo,that had capitulated from top spot to might just make it to the play offs , for an inexperienced man was just a bridge too far , given time hed do a half decent job

 

[blade too long]

Clough is a clever bloke , hes learnt from his dad to heap praise in the right quarters , be humble looking at times and be in charge at others, he will suffice for what we need right now , a no nonsense approach to get what he called a proper club back on an even keel , by whatever means he can ,hes had a good grounding and can help us , and himself by lifting us up , to a more suitable position, itll build his status up as he knows we are well below where we should be

 

[Pinchy]

Morgs inherited a team that had lost its mojo,that had capitulated from top spot to might just make it to the play offs , for an inexperienced man was just a bridge too far , given time hed do a half decent job

Why would he? Do you expect him to get such a job? Or maybe the rest of the football world are not yet convinced?

Clough is a clever bloke , hes learnt from his dad to heap praise in the right quarters , be humble looking at times and be in charge at others, he will suffice for what we need right now , a no nonsense approach to get what he called a proper club back on an even keel , by whatever means he can ,hes had a good grounding and can help us , and himself by lifting us up , to a more suitable position, itll build his status up as he knows we are well below where we should be

Let's not forget that he is well below where he should be as well. We have not appointed a nobody who should be eternally grateful for our charity.

 

[alcoblade]

Let's not forget that he is well below where he should be as well

Based on what?

He's got a job at or around where his track record should take him.

I've warmed to his appointment, but let's not pretend it's what it isn't.

UTB

 

[Bladesway]

Strangest thread ever award coming up. I don't know what we have to thank him for in the same way I don't know why he took the shit he took. If you really want to argue you could say it was his players coming in that have gelled (signs of this away at Wolves perhaps) but I do think that's really stretching the truth. Problem is as fans we don't really know enough of what was going off to say why it was going wrong. Needless to say I don't at this point think we can say everything is right after a couple of good results.

 

[DronnieBlade]

"Needless to say I don't at this point think we can say everything is right after a couple of good results"

But the vast majority of fans saw it right after just a handful more games of poor results to demand his head !!

Typically Blades attitude. If it ain't broke, fix it. If its broke, fix it some more. The managers job will become untenable before too long.

FFS lets make sure we are generally more patient with N C than we were with DW2.

UTB.[/quote]

 

[alcoblade]

"Needless to say I don't at this point think we can say everything is right after a couple of good results"

But the vast majority of fans saw it right after just a handful more games of poor results to demand his head !!

Typically Blades attitude. If it ain't broke, fix it. If its broke, fix it some more. The managers job will become untenable before too long.

FFS lets make sure we are generally more patient with N C than we were with DW2.

UTB.

We were too patient with the fuck up that was DW2.

UTB

 

[MCFC]

We were too patient with the fuck up that was DW2.

UTB

Well, onwards and upwards eh?

 

[blade too long]

I think Nigels path so far is a good grounding in becoming a manager, cant compare him to pep guardiola for instance as he wasnt thrust into europes yop club with bundles of cash , hes learnt his trade from the ground up.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

We were too patient with the fuck up that was DW2.

UTB

Wonder if the 'patient' ones will be on here with their apologies if we fall short of the play-offs or even automatic by 5/6 points?

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Based on what?

He's got a job at or around where his track record should take him.

I've warmed to his appointment, but let's not pretend it's what it isn't.

UTB

Some people seem to think that Nigel is the second coming of Brian Clough. I hope he does a good job here but he isn't channeling his old man or using a ouija board to ask old Big 'Ed what formation to play.

 

[SwissBlade]

Some people seem to think that Nigel is the second coming of Brian Clough. I hope he does a good job here but he isn't channeling his old man or using a ouija board to ask old Big 'Ed what formation to play.

Cloughie's his own man, but it can only have been a good thing to play under his dad. But as we've found, playing and managing are different. Ask Robson!

Cloughie Junior has managed two clubs in 16 years and done well with both in terms of stability with derby and progression with Burton