And i bet he is on big money

[Darren]

Is anyone arguing that we didn't spend much money on wages in 06-07? I'm certainly not.

I thought that was the argument we were having - that Warnock wanted to buy cheap, not that he had to buy cheap because, apart from Watford, we had the lowest wages budget in the PL.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

I thought that was the argument we were having - that Warnock wanted to buy cheap, not that he had to buy cheap because, apart from Watford, we had the lowest wages budget in the PL.

Well you've presented one bit of evidence that we didn't spend much on wages, and then speculated on the reasons why. I've presented another bit of evidence that a notorious self-publicist has gone on record (In his independent column i believe) that he made mistakes in the premier league season in not buying the quality needed to stay up. He has to my knowledge never stated that he couldn't buy the players that he wanted because of money issues. If McCabe had turned down his requests for money to sign the players that he wanted i damn well think we would have heard about it.

 

[Darren]

Well you've presented one bit of evidence that we didn't spend much on wages, and then speculated on the reasons why. I've presented another bit of evidence that a notorious self-publicist has gone on record (In his independent column i believe) that he made mistakes in the premier league season in not buying the quality needed to stay up. He has to my knowledge never stated that he couldn't buy the players that he wanted because of money issues. If McCabe had turned down his requests for money to sign the players that he wanted i damn well think we would have heard about it.

Well it's all a bit of a mystery then, but I really don't think it is a viable argument to say that our wages budget was so low because the money was there to spend more on wages and the manager just didn't want to spend it. Have you ever heard a manager having money available to spend on players and deciding not to spend it?

And we can turn your point on its head. We have never heard McCabe say that he made money available to Warnock but he wouldn't spend it.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Thought we were skint can't afford to bring players in but can afford a new CEO.

"Julian Winter speaks exclusively to BladesPlayer during his first day in the tole of Group Chief Executive Officer"

Back to the point - he used the M word - well potential M

The infrastructure is here, the stadium is already in place, the potential is massive but at the moment everything isn't quite joined up, hopefully that isn't a huge task given the facilities.

 

[Bladesway]

beattie wouldnt have come for £13k a week

We wouldn't know because we never tried.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Well it's all a bit of a mystery then, but I really don't think it is a viable argument to say that our wages budget was so low because the money was there to spend more on wages and the manager just didn't want to spend it. Have you ever heard a manager having money available to spend on players and deciding not to spend it?

And we can turn your point on its head. We have never heard McCabe say that he made money available to Warnock but he wouldn't spend it.

Well there you go. You don't think it's a viable argument, but i do.

 

[judge]

We wouldn't know because we never tried.

We spoke to McCarthy ,that's how we knew his wages were way out of our budget

 

[Pedro Verde]

We wouldn't know because we never tried.

Beattie accepting £13k a week when he was on £40k at Everton youre having a giraffe

Who is to know what players we enquired about only after initial contact we said 'How much a week !!!'

 

[Bergen Blade]

I think Warnock was afraid to rock the boat in the January transfer window. He did that with the signings of Flitcroft, Akinbiyi and Horsfield the season before, when we were doing just fine with Shipperley, etc. He therefore went for younger signings for the future.

 

[davidpinder]

Businesses don't tend to run too well without someone in charge.

Our doesn't run well with someone in charge.

 

[Darren]

I think Warnock was afraid to rock the boat in the January transfer window. He did that with the signings of Flitcroft, Akinbiyi and Horsfield the season before, when we were doing just fine with Shipperley, etc. He therefore went for younger signings for the future.

It's funny how Warnock never gets any credit for signing Stead who, getting 5 goals in half a season, had a better goal per game ratio than the much revered Hulse.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Well you've presented one bit of evidence that we didn't spend much on wages, and then speculated on the reasons why. I've presented another bit of evidence that a notorious self-publicist has gone on record (In his independent column i believe) that he made mistakes in the premier league season in not buying the quality needed to stay up. He has to my knowledge never stated that he couldn't buy the players that he wanted because of money issues. If McCabe had turned down his requests for money to sign the players that he wanted i damn well think we would have heard about it.

I can’t remember the exact quote but in his autobiography, Warnock says something along the lines of “We brought in Davis and Hulse for fairly big money but that was about it. I would have liked to have done more but the finances wouldn’t allow it.”

When this has been discussed in the past, people have said that “Warnock wouldn’t buy big-name Premiership players because he likes to hog the limelight and be top dog”. They’ve also said “He couldn’t attract Premiership players because nobody would want to come and play for him” or “He only knows how to play kick and rush and has to buy players who’ll fit in with that style”.

I’ve always disagreed with these arguments but until this season, it’s been impossible to disprove them. I think the signings of Barton, Wright-Phillips etc and the style of football being played by QPR have now done just that.

 

[Bergen Blade]

It's funny how Warnock never gets any credit for signing Stead who, getting 5 goals in half a season, had a better goal per game ratio than the much revered Hulse.

Stead was a good signing who did very well when he arrived. But did you disagree with my reasoning?

 

[Balham]

I can’t remember the exact quote but in his autobiography, Warnock says something along the lines of “We brought in Davis and Hulse for fairly big money but that was about it. I would have liked to have done more but the finances wouldn’t allow it.”

Maybe had he not pissed money up the wall signing Akinbiyi, Horsfield, Seck, Fathi, Shelton and all the others he could have brought someone else in? Or is that too simple?

 

[Tuns]

I’ve always disagreed with these arguments but until this season, it’s been impossible to disprove them. I think the signings of Barton, Wright-Phillips etc and the style of football being played by QPR have now done just that.

I think it's more possible that Warnock learnt from his mistakes during his time in the Prem with us and QPR may benefit from that.

Our brand of negative football away from home in particular appears to be something Warnock has regretted judging by his comments since and linked to that approach and mind set is the type of player he signed for us compared to QPR.

I appreciate they have more money but even so I am sure he could have bought more progressive/flair players within our budget but decided to play it 'safe' stick to what he knew best and ultimately negative.

Whilst he did sign the odd player like Fathi he didn't get a chance whereas I suspect Fathi would have got a chance for QPR under the new NW.

 

[Darren]

Stead was a good signing who did very well when he arrived. But did you disagree with my reasoning?

Not to any great extent, but I think those who criticise Warnock for his Jan 07 signings would have to propose a better set of players he could have signed who would have been prepared to take the 2nd lowest wages in the PL.

 

[Revolution]

Not to any great extent, but I think those who criticise Warnock for his Jan 07 signings would have to propose a better set of players he could have signed who would have been prepared to take the 2nd lowest wages in the PL.

He didn't need to sign a set. Shelton, Fathi, Kilgallon and Seck played about 15 games between them and contributed virtually nothing that season. They played a total of 1 good game between them - Shelton played well at Old Trafford, altohugh of course he did not score.

One good signing on good money could have replaced the contribution that little lot made.

Indeed, one good Championship player would probably have done a better job and made an impact.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Not to any great extent, but I think those who criticise Warnock for his Jan 07 signings would have to propose a better set of players he could have signed who would have been prepared to take the 2nd lowest wages in the PL.

Robert Koren was one who was available, we watched him, but chose Fathi instead. Think there were rumours of Andy Reid as well, but it wasn't my point to criticise the JTW signings, but to explain part of Warnock's reasoning at the time. It isn't always a good idea to add more players when things are going well (as the previous year showed), so it was a genuine dilemma, which in hindsight is easy to criticise.

 

[Darren]

Robert Koren was one who was available, we watched him, but chose Fathi instead. Think there were rumours of Andy Reid as well, but it wasn't my point to criticise the JTW signings, but to explain part of Warnock's reasoning at the time. It isn't always a good idea to add more players when things are going well (as the previous year showed), so it was a genuine dilemma, which in hindsight is easy to criticise.

I think thats a fair point - as is Rev's above. As you say this is all done with hindsight. I think what is the reality is that NW had a very limited budget for signings and had to do what he could with the money available. Could he have made better signings? Probably. Did he not sign better more expensive players because he preferred cheap players for reasons connected with his personality? Almost certainly not.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

He didn't need to sign a set. Shelton, Fathi, Kilgallon and Seck played about 15 games between them and contributed virtually nothing that season. They played a total of 1 good game between them - Shelton played well at Old Trafford, altohugh of course he did not score.

One good signing on good money could have replaced the contribution that little lot made.

Indeed, one good Championship player would probably have done a better job and made an impact.

Agree with this. Warnock bought some decent players in his time but he wasted a lot of money as well.

He seems to like having big squads so he can call upon a multitude of options.

Doubt he would have as much success with a smaller group of players.

There were plenty of players about at that time that could have made more impact for the same money.

To name a couple, Ebanks-Blake before he moved to Wolves and a certain Greg Halford (at Colchester).

 

[judge]

I bet ebanks Blake and I'm almost certain halford would have wet themselves if offered £13k a week

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Agree with this. Warnock bought some decent players in his time but he wasted a lot of money as well.
He seems to like having big squads so he can call upon a multitude of options.
Doubt he would have as much success with a smaller group of players.
There were plenty of players about at that time that could have made more impact for the same money.
To name a couple, Ebanks-Blake before he moved to Wolves and a certain Greg Halford (at Colchester).

Your memory deceives you on Ebanks-Blake. In July 2006 he was a little-known 20 year old who'd never even played in English league football.
By the January transfer window, he'd scored 3 goals in 28 matches at Championship level for Plymouth. It was only after Warnock left us that he came good.

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I think it's more possible that Warnock learnt from his mistakes during his time in the Prem with us and QPR may benefit from that.
Our brand of negative football away from home in particular appears to be something Warnock has regretted judging by his comments since and linked to that approach and mind set is the type of player he signed for us compared to QPR.
I appreciate they have more money but even so I am sure he could have bought more progressive/flair players within our budget but decided to play it 'safe' stick to what he knew best and ultimately negative.
Whilst he did sign the odd player like Fathi he didn't get a chance whereas I suspect Fathi would have got a chance for QPR under the new NW.

Firtly, I agree about NW being too negative away from home in our Premiership season. That's my main criticsm of him.
The players he's signed for QPR recently are mostly solid/dependable types (Gabbidon, Young, Traore, Ferdinand) rather than flair players.
The difference is that they're all proven Premiership players while he didn't sign a single established Premiership player for us.
There's no disputing that or the fact that high-earners from Premiership clubs only started to arrive after he left.
The only point left to argue over is whether that was Warnock's decision or was it forced upon him by McCabe's wage ceiling?
Given a straight choice between signing CKR or SWP as his flair player. Would Warnock really have chosen CKR?

Another point to consider is that while McCabe was unwilling to extend or improve Warnock's contract after he achieved promotion for us, he immediately handed Robson a 3 year contract and I bet he too was on higher wages. That tells you all you need to know about McCabe's attitude to Warnock during that season and his clamour for glamour the following season.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I think we messed up big time as a club. McCabe in not giving Warnock sufficient funds in the January transfer window and also Warnock for his ultra cautious tactics away from home, I always look back to the game at Man City, if we had gone for it we would have most probably come away with 3 points, there were other games as well

 

[raul]

It was widely publicised in the summer of 2006 (to almost universal nods of approval, this being at the zenith of "best thing that's ever happened to this club")that the strategy for the forthcoming season was NOT to spend all of the Prem money coming our way. The key question if we are still looking to apportion blame would be "Did KM decide all by himself our squad was by and large strong enough to cope without major overhaul or did he take this decision in conjucntion with NW?"

We will of course probably never get the answer to that (neither man being inclined to take the blame for anything) but my guess would be that NW valued the togetherness of the squad very highly and was also of the belief that they had earned their chance to play in the Prem, which in turn was music to KM's ears. Further, there was always the JTW if things were'nt going too well.

The subsequent indisputable failure in said W (Steadinho aside) should not have been a surprise given his 2005/6 record therin, but I still think it would have all been ok if we'd lost 6-0 at Chelsea but had had Rob Hulse fit for the rest of the season.