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In The Times this morning. Recommended him to Steve Parish when he met him to say he was going.
 

It's the inevitability of any kind of success.

In fairness over the years we've lost plenty of key employees just as things were on the up so I understand why some will think here we go again.
 
Not sure if these stories are ever actually true but lots of vacant managerial positions and wilders record mean he will be linked to other places but I don't think a premier league club would take a punt on him just yet so I'm sure he'd rather test himself in the championship with us - his own club with a team he is assembling nicely and fans who adore him - than Sunderland etc
 
He's got high stock value & agree with Tom he'll get linked with loads , while ever the clubs moving forward he'll be here for the foreseeable
 
What are these so called 'suitors' going to offer him that he hasn't got?

In a word Nothing.
 
I think he'll still be here in a year. If he gets the backing from the board it will help. Not many English managers in prem or championship.
 
I think we do have reason to worry. As big of a blade as Chris is, he's not going to turn down increasing his salary 5 fold. Who would?

Then there's the fact that Steve Parish has commented on us a couple of times already this season on social media. He's been very impressed.
 
John Street West Terrace said:
He's got high stock value & agree with Tom he'll get linked with loads , while ever the clubs moving forward he'll be here for the foreseeable
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He's got a really high stock at league 1 and league 2 level.

But it would be a massive leap of faith for a PL to take such a big risk.
PL clubs have millions and don't need to take a risk, they can bring it someone with relevant experience and a top cv. Wilder has NEVER even managed in the Championship, never mind the PL
And has no experience managing big egos or millionaires on massive salaries.
Wilder is an old school manager, not sure it would work in the PL unless he has some of his own men in the squad.

A move to Palace could make him rich, but he would be thrown in the deep end and it could seriously damage his career meaning he'll be for ever a lower league manager.

Wildler going to Palace would be like Nathan Thomas going to Boro.
If you ignore money Thomas best move to develope his career is at a club like Sheff Utd
Again forget the money Wilder next career progression should at an ambitious club at Championship level.

If Wilder goes to Palace then it would be similar to Jordan Slew going to PL Blackburn and we all know what that move did to Slews career. Suspect Wilder knows in heart the timing is wrong to move to the PL.
 
dingledog said:
What are these so called 'suitors' going to offer him that he hasn't got?

In a word Nothing.
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Or maybe, premier league football, a huge wage, a bigger transfer kitty, a greater chance of the sack??
Who knows!
Can't see him walking away from the club he loves though n I honestly believe he can take us to the top flight in 2-3 years.
 
dingledog said:
What are these so called 'suitors' going to offer him that he hasn't got?

In a word Nothing.
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probably about 10x salary!!
yes he's a Blade, but he played in an era where the money didn't set them up for life, he has to work for a living. If Palace offered him a £3m contract over 3 years, even if he fails and gets sacked he's comfortable for life.
I want him to stay as much as anyone, but we have to be realistic, if someone offered to up your salary from £25k per year to £250k per year, and guarantee that even if your shit they will pay you the £750k/3yrs money as they sack you, you would be tempted
 
Wilder seems perfectly happy with the club and his terms of employment, I can't see him moving in the short term. He still has 2 years on his contract and when the time is right he'll sit down with McCabe to discuss extending his contract.

Fortunately he doesn't seem to be primarily motivated by earning a bag of money which he'd undoubtedly get at Palace. He wants to build something and he'd love to do that at "his club", words he uses frequently.

He's no fool, things could go wrong in which case he'd shake hands and move on.

After the recent clowns we've had to endure, we're lucky to have him. We'll have a go and continue with attacking football next season, that'll do for me.
 
The club could start to impress him by signing Holmes & Leonard even if they are going to cost 5p more than "we are willing to pay"
 

steve26272 said:
if someone offered to up your salary from £25k per year to £250k per year, and guarantee that even if your shit they will pay you the £750k/3yrs money as they sack you, you would be tempted
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I'm a similar age to Wilder and for me it's NOT all about money.
Of course money is important but only up to a point, job satisfaction, challenge, location etc is just as important.
Nathan Thomas is also the same as me admitting Boro offered him a much bigger salary but he already has his heart set on coming to Bramall Lane, money isn't his main motivation.

Listen to Wilders interviews, he's always talking about concentrating on achievement and then the rewards (big money) come later. He talks about career progression and being at the right club at the right time. He talks about not wanting mercenary players at the club who's main incentive is money.

So I'd be shocked if Wilder left just of the money, it's against his principles and he'd be a hypocrite.
 
Might be good news for us, new contract might be finally offered to ward off any interest...
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
"Again forget the money Wilder next career progression should at an ambitious club at Championship level".

Where the fuck do you think he currently works?
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Agree, forget he's a Blade but being at Sheff Utd is the right club at the right time
Based on where he stands in his management career.
 
Tezza1889 said:
Might be good news for us, new contract might be finally offered to ward off any interest...
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If we treble his wage.... then a PL club could still come along and treble his wage again.

McCabe must have nightmares about offering previous managers lucrative contracts and pay rises
But only to see them quickly fail.........so we've had loads of compensation to pay.

I reckon the board are keen to learn from their mistakes and will wait to see how we perform in the Championship before offering a new contract. If another club comes in and makes an official enquiry..... then it will force our hand and we'll no doubt offer an improved deal.

Wilder has already admitted he's relaxed about it and the fans need to relax too.
Wilder knows if he performs like he thinks he then will he'll be suitably rewarded, seems fair to me.
 
If I were Steve Parrish I'd think 'yeah, Fergie recommended Moyes' and continue to look at managers like Dyche or Silva. (And keep an eye on CW as one for the future).
 
BushBlade said:
If I were Steve Parrish I'd think 'yeah,. (And keep an eye on CW as one for the future).
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This I do agree with, I expect many Chairman will be keeping an eye on Wilder to see how he copes with the Championship next season. Remember Wilder is a total novice in the big leagues.

The worse case scenario next season would be having a similar season to Huddersfield, playing entertaining football and losing in the playoff final because his stock will have gone up nationally and then I think PL might take the risk.

But I suspect it would be a small PL club and Wilder might still think he can finish the job at SU and we can offer him a better and more lucrative future than the likes of a Burnley, Swansea, Bournemouth etc.
 
If the rumours are right he's just about to double his wages to £400k

Yes he could probably quadruple his wages going to Palace. But......

He is already on a good wage.. it will have added incentives.. the better the team does the more money he gets.. -but I personally believe the financial aspect is just an added bonus for him given his genuine love for the club

He's got a free reign to build his own team at his own club

He doesn't have to uproot and move from this fine city..

If he gets us to the premier league, then he has gained promotions from non-league right up to the premier league as a manager.. that's some going!!

Unless there is interference from board level at any point, which is very doubtful, he's not going anywhere
 
The two main reasons a manager leaves is a) he gets the sack and b) he is being undermined by the owners/board. The latter is what's happened recently at Watford, Middlesbrough, Leeds and Hull. I don't think CW would last a week where this was happening. Throw in dealing with a bunch of prima donna players and their agents? Nah. He's better continuing to learn his trade here.
 
Sheffsteel said:
I'm a similar age to Wilder and for me it's NOT all about money.
Of course money is important but only up to a point, job satisfaction, challenge, location etc is just as important.
Nathan Thomas is also the same as me admitting Boro offered him a much bigger salary but he already has his heart set on coming to Bramall Lane, money isn't his main motivation.

Listen to Wilders interviews, he's always talking about concentrating on achievement and then the rewards (big money) come later. He talks about career progression and being at the right club at the right time. He talks about not wanting mercenary players at the club who's main incentive is money.

So I'd be shocked if Wilder left just of the money, it's against his principles and he'd be a hypocrite.
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personally I think he is at the right club at the right time
but if he has to sit down with Mrs W. and discuss turning down a £3mil contract, then that conversation has to take place - he ain't stupid either, he could become a bigger legend than most here if he took us up again and established us in PL.... However if he gets off to a shocker, how long before the shoes are off? He could be sat at home by Xmas out of a job with a few grand pay off, or sat on a PL contract, and set for life .
compare him to Walker, Blade, early stages of their careers in age terms, both hungry to succeed, potential to go all the way recognised by all. Walker is a multi millionaire, England regular and about to sign for the richest club in PL. Did we not say the same about him? He's a Blade, can become a legend, not about the money....
hope Wilder can take us to PL and who knows, England manager in 10 years?
just think sometimes the Blade tinted glasses cloud the vision to reality
 

Hodgesleftpeg said:
If the rumours are right he's just about to double his wages to £400k

Yes he could probably quadruple his wages going to Palace. But......

He is already on a good wage.. it will have added incentives.. the better the team does the more money he gets.. -but I personally believe the financial aspect is just an added bonus for him given his genuine love for the club

He's got a free reign to build his own team at his own club

He doesn't have to uproot and move from this fine city..

If he gets us to the premier league, then he has gained promotions from non-league right up to the premier league as a manager.. that's some going!!

Unless there is interference from board level at any point, which is very doubtful, he's not going anywhere
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I can think of a manager who's won promotions from non league to the top level. I liked him, others weren't so sure.
 
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