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I think we would have to be massively dominating the opposition for McBurnie to be effective. His close control is poor. Gets pushed off the ball easily. Finishing has been poor. His heading ability is questionable he does get under the ball when it is dropping but control of where the ball is going isn't there. His fouling has increased and most of the time it is silly shove in the back kind of petulant stuff. He may have had a good season with Swansea but I don't see enough from him that warrants keeping.
Brewster while being poor is young and does have a decent control particularly in the rare occasions of having a shot. We may need a work horse to compliment him but McBurnie is not the answer.
yeah have to agree with you on mcburnie im afraid and if jokanovic comes in cant see him being his type of player but do think we have to stick with brewster but we certainly need to give him more service from midfield and out wide
 

But you do need some players that can just do it in the Championship (hopefully McBurnie is one of those players) as you cant have a team full of Premier League quality players.
The signing of future Premier League players is a gamble weve done that with Brewtser and its not paid off this season. I do think he will be a good goalscorer in coming seasons for us as Ive seen enough to think he will come good. You would have thought McBurnie would have been one of these future PL players you talk of.
So its quite a gamble signing potential. If /when we go back up to the PL you need a smattering of experienced players that are proven at PL level (eg Besic, Wilson) as that has been a problem this season but you cant usually sign those of players until you are actually in the PL
When you’ve got no money, you can’t sign them then either, because you’re competing against everyone else in the Premier League, who will always be able to offer more money than us. Every decent target Wilder wanted, went elsewhere.

No one with 20/20 vision, would have thought Oli McBurnie was going to be a good Premier League player, that’s why he ended up at Bramall Lane and not Villa Park. Brewster on the other hand, would be a Premier League player if we went back up. He has natural ability in spades and has ten times the potential.

A few years back United were interested in signing a young Olli Watkins from Exeter, but balked at the fee, so he went to Brentford. That’s what I mean, not the last minute oh shit we’re in the Prem, desperation signings that are available because no one else wants them.
 
When you’ve got no money, you can’t sign them then either, because you’re competing against everyone else in the Premier League, who will always be able to offer more money than us. Every decent target Wilder wanted, went elsewhere.

That is what has to change if we are to be a club that wants to stay in the PL for any length of time
I think the PL has changed quite a lot in the last 5 years back then you would have been able to buy the best in the Championship for £10 /15m and pay them £20k per week now its £30m and £60k per week
I was a bit like Wilder dont pay stupid wages and put the future of the club at risk it seems that to be a club that wants to stay in the PL you have to pay those stupid wages or be very very lucky in your recruitment
There is of course the foreign market that we have not explored
 
yeah have to agree with you on mcburnie im afraid and if jokanovic comes in cant see him being his type of player but do think we have to stick with brewster but we certainly need to give him more service from midfield and out wide
I agree....who ever comes in needs to work on the formation and attacking fluidity. When was the last time one of our midfielders attacked through the middle and and just slid a ball through for a striker. Getting the variety in attacking could give Brewster the type of chances he needs.
 
I agree....who ever comes in needs to work on the formation and attacking fluidity. When was the last time one of our midfielders attacked through the middle and and just slid a ball through for a striker. Getting the variety in attacking could give Brewster the type of chances he needs.
in all honesty for most of this disastrous season weve been playing 5 defenders 3 holding midfielders and 2 strikers who with this system have had zero service and chris has to take responsibility for this for some reason he lost his brave lets have a go at all costs attitude that got us to the premier league in the first place
 
I can see why McBurnie splits opinion and he doesn't always play well, but I do rate him
 
I can see why McBurnie splits opinion and he doesn't always play well, but I do rate him

hes been way out of his depth at premier league level hes a championship striker at best

At lot of people said the same about Bamford, who is 3 years older than McBurnie - i think in the right system Oli would definitely score more - he’s somewhat proven that at Swansea.
 
At lot of people said the same about Bamford, who is 3 years older than McBurnie - i think in the right system Oli would definitely score more - he’s somewhat proven that at Swansea.
yes they did but bamford is now 3 times the striker mcburnie is and that 24 goal season at swansea he had fantastic service from wide players and creative midfielders
 
yes they did but bamford is now 3 times the striker mcburnie is and that 24 goal season at swansea he had fantastic service from wide players and creative midfielders
He's a striker. Almost all strikers goal outputs are directly correlated to the quality of the chances they're being presented with. Very few (ie two or three - Messi, Mbappé & Neymar) strikers in world football can create and finish. Some can finish better than others (Haaland and Ronaldo being prime examples) but they all live and die by the performances of their team.
 
yes they did but bamford is now 3 times the striker mcburnie is and that 24 goal season at swansea he had fantastic service from wide players and creative midfielders
So give him service and he'll score goals then.

The service wasn't good last season. This season it's been none existent
 
I don’t really understand this ’our style of play’ excuse for McBurnies ineffective performances. irrespective of the teams tactics, during 90 minutes of football, if you’re reading the game, anticipating, gambling and taking up the right positions, chances will fall to you and a good player will show his ability, develop it and get a decent shot in.

McBurnie has played 72 Premier League goals and scored 9 goals, which shows that he doesn’t do that, consequently he is not and never will be a successful goal scorer at this level. The reality is that we need to build a team capable of competing at the highest level and when we recruit, the Premier League has to be our benchmark.

It’s pointless having ‘players who can do it in the Championship’ if the clubs aspirations are to become an established Premier League side, our current plight should teach us that, at least.

There's two things about this

We play 5-3-2, which has the wingbacks pinned to defending and augmenting the Alamo-like back three. They are hardly in the crossing zone to cause danger or create chances.

The midfield is effectively in damage limitation mode, constantly outnumbered and constantly outrun, so they are in no position to supply any of the forwards with an effective through ball or killer pass. McBurnie, Sharp, Brewster, Burke and McGoldrick find themselves dropping into the ten role or out wide fetching and carrying and doing the heavy lifting of chance creation from outside the box. How we can expect to score from positions nowhere near the goal is anyone's guess. We don't have anyone who is a distance shooter and many of our goals come in and around the six yard box. And it is one of the many reasons Wilder's 'system', so revered, is an abject failure. From front to back, it doesn't play to any strengths we hope to have.

That doesn't mitigate in any way McBurnie's constant shithousery throwing himself on the deck, leaving stuff in on opponents and running into blind alleys in possession. He could do well watching how McGoldrick composes himself as an attacking component, winning and keeping possession and dancing past defences.

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So give him service and he'll score goals then.

The service wasn't good last season. This season it's been none existent

This is from memory rather than having stats at hand but I thought last season we created quite a few chances and the same goes for the start of this season.

It's been the second half of this season where chances have totally dried up. I'm sure our centre backs and wing back overloads has something to do with that.

Our strike force on this season's performances are just not up to the mark.

Chelsea's second goal on Sunday, the striker still had a lot to do before scoring.

We just don't have anyone who can do the basic scoring never mind find themselves with a half chance that still requires work to do.
 
So give him service and he'll score goals then.

The service wasn't good last season. This season it's been none existent
hes missed plenty of chances this season and i honestly dont think he will do it in the championship having said that i really hope he proves me wrong and gets 20 goals next season and i will come on here and admit i was wrong
 
How much did we, in effect, pay?


Don't know if anybody answered this but I got the impression they took Robinson and we got Burke plus some money, rumoured to be around 2-2.5 Mill in the deal..

Wilders quote was we made a few quid on the deal as well.. So we may have valued Robinson higher..

As a note, losing Robinson was a poor move from the club.. He was a bigger threat than Burke, fitter than moose, and the right age for a good few years at the club.. He'd scored a few, which with hindsight we'd underestimated him because his replacement hasnt been prolific..

We play with 2 Scottish strikers up front.
 

At lot of people said the same about Bamford, who is 3 years older than McBurnie - i think in the right system Oli would definitely score more - he’s somewhat proven that at Swansea.
Bamford is not gangly and awkward and has better skills. There was always a claas player there. The length of time for him to mature could be down to expecting great things to happen rather than working for them.
 
Don't know if anybody answered this but I got the impression they took Robinson and we got Burke plus some money, rumoured to be around 2-2.5 Mill in the deal..

Wilders quote was we made a few quid on the deal as well.. So we may have valued Robinson higher..

As a note, losing Robinson was a poor move from the club.. He was a bigger threat than Burke, fitter than moose, and the right age for a good few years at the club.. He'd scored a few, which with hindsight we'd underestimated him because his replacement hasnt been prolific..

We play with 2 Scottish strikers up front.
i very much doubt we will be playing with 2 scotish strikers up front next season whoever the new manager is
 
Mcburnie got joint second motm awards voted by fans on here just last season. A season where we had lots of players playing brilliantly.
 
Bamford is not gangly and awkward and has better skills. There was always a claas player there. The length of time for him to mature could be down to expecting great things to happen rather than working for them.
Bamford has also thrived in the Covid era where there's no fans to either abuse or heap expectation on him. McBurnie is the opposite, his post-lockdown performances have been worse than his pre-lockdown ones.
 
Bamford has also thrived in the Covid era where there's no fans to either abuse or heap expectation on him. McBurnie is the opposite, his post-lockdown performances have been worse than his pre-lockdown ones.
Bamford always had class. He looked the part. Whether through a lack of application or motivation he didn't progress as he should have up to the last few seasons. McBurnie had a good season with Swansea but for me he is lacking in a lot of areas of his game.
 
Bamford always had class. He looked the part. Whether through a lack of application or motivation he didn't progress as he should have up to the last few seasons. McBurnie had a good season with Swansea but for me he is lacking in a lot of areas of his game.
i think mcburnie has had his one good season with those 24 goals for a swansea side that was flying hope he proves me wrong next season but im afraid i can only see him sliding down the leagues
 
Swansea weren't flying when McBurnie was there. They finished 10th (got just one point more than Sheffield Wednesday). He also scored 9 in 17 on loan at a rubbish Barnsley team.
 

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