Incoming? Alexander Blessin

[Yogi]

Interesting they brought in a few lads from Barnsley and Celtic. Seems like a good mix of players there from different countries.

Think the Barnsley link will be from when struber was there as both him and blessin are out of the red bull coaching tree. I wonder if we’d take some of Leipzig’s kids on loan should blessin come here.

 

[MalmoBlade]

I wonder if we’d have a dip into Leipzig’s kids should blessin come here.

 

[Yogi]

Phrasing I’ll edit it now

 

[MalmoBlade]

That's simply money that Wilder earned for him through getting the club promoted. Anything else?

Yes, they let him blow it

 

[MalmoBlade]

Phrasing I’ll edit it now

I know mate just poking the bear

 

[Yogi]

I know mate just poking the bear

Not sure i consented to that

 

[MalmoBlade]

Not sure i consented to that

You started it

 

[alcoblade]

Can someone explain to me any advantage of appointing this lad over Jokanovic? Davie Weir did bits at youth level with Everton. May as well put Heckingbottom in if we want a great youth coach, at least he has some first team experience.

Perhaps he’s more “deliverable”?

 

[alcoblade]

A manager who can work with young players and to a BUDGET!

I think that kind of tells me the Prince has zero money.
I wonder if we will ever be lucky to find a rich owner.

We know the Prince doesn’t have any money, so if we haven’t already, we should move on from that thinking very quickly.

It will be all about wheeling and dealing from here on. Like it or lump it.

 

[MalmoBlade]

But Jokanovic likes money to spend mate - which might answer your other point

and if Hecky is just going to be a poundland Wilder, as seems to be the case so far, we should keep looking

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

After the 10th page,tits will be welcome on this thread.

 

[cooperblade]

Sorry, I should have qualified it. Yes I think that’s exactly what he was meaning.

Exactly mate. But we need a new midfield anyway so that’s what I was mainly thinking about but you would think only Berge has the athleticism out of those there currently and he’s the least likely to not have interest. I thought we’d certainly keep Norwood and Fleck even if they’re not first choice but with him I’m not sure they’d fit. We’d be fine upfront with Brewster, McBurnie, Burke, Sharp Dids, even Moose if he’s staying.
I’ll see if Jay will go into any more detail, fully understand it’s not easy for him to comment as freely now.

I'd say that if we're playing a really energetic, high press style, Sharp, McGoldrick and Mousset probably wouldn't work as part of that.

Not against Blessin at all. I think the dilemma for the board is a change of philosophy (and most importantly having a set philosophy which allows us to plan and develop better) might be the right thing to do in the medium term but if the rebuild means the parachute payments run out and we haven't gone back up, is that a sacrifice we can afford to make?

It's really difficult. I want us to have a plan for the next 10 years but the next 1 or 2 years are so important.

 

[Rodley]

We know the Prince doesn’t have any money, so if we haven’t already, we should move on from that thinking very quickly.

It will be all about wheeling and dealing from here on. Like it or lump it.

He has some money. Isn’t his wealth reportedly on the same level as McCabe?

Burnley had limited funds under their previously ownership, came down, gave it a good go and went back up again. Norwich look to be doing the same. We have to give it some form of a go with parachute payments, otherwise we may as well throw the towel in until we drop on the next Wilder.

At some point we’ve got to change our club’s culture of “Oof, his wages are a bit expensive, sorry, can’t sign him, let someone else pay it”. It’s now, sadly, been baked into the psychology of the fanbase. It’s been the club’s modus operandi for going on for 60 years and the outcome is we’ve underachieved / been shite.

 

[alcoblade]

He has some money. Isn’t his wealth reportedly on the same level as McCabe?

Burnley had limited funds under their previously ownership, came down, gave it a good go and went back up again. Norwich look to be doing the same. We have to give it some form of a go with parachute payments, otherwise we may as well throw the towel in until we drop on the next Wilder.

At some point we’ve got to change our club’s culture of “Oof, his wages are a bit expensive, sorry, can’t sign him, let someone else pay it”. It’s now, sadly, been baked into the psychology of the fanbase. It’s been the club’s modus operandi for going on for 60 years and the outcome is we’ve underachieved / been shite.

Agree with all that - but that will still involve wheeling and dealing. It always does. The Prince has made no secret of the fact he wants to make money on his investment. So the net flow of money (in the end) will be negative.

Watch the bedwetters go when Berge is inevitably sold.

 

[Kev Gee]

Think the Barnsley link will be from when struber was there as both him and blessin are out of the red bull coaching tree. I wonder if we’d take some of Leipzig’s kids on loan should blessin come here.

I may be wrong here but i think Barnsleys owners also own that club, or have some kind of involvement.

Think of it as their version of our "United World" brand.

Dingle World.

 

[Rodley]

Agree with all that - but that will still involve wheeling and dealing. It always does. The Prince has made no secret of the fact he wants to make money on his investment. So the net flow of money (in the end) will be negative.

Watch the bedwetters go when Berge is inevitably sold.

If the Prince has genuinely gone on record saying he wants to make money out of an investment in a football club I think he’s been poorly advised and is a little naive.

Selling Berge, jettisoning the surplus / fringe players, and spending c. £15m to £20m should be achievable. If we’re doing the first two and then still rummaging in the bargain bin, I’ll be very worried. It means our trip up to the PL has basically been for naught.

 

[alcoblade]

If the Prince has genuinely gone on record saying he wants to make money out of an investment in a football club I think he’s been poorly advised and is a little naive.

Selling Berge, jettisoning the surplus / fringe players, and spending c. £15m to £20m should be achievable. If we’re doing the first two and then still rummaging in the bargain bin, I’ll be very worried. It means our trip up to the PL has basically been for naught.

Agreed. I’d sell Berge as number 1 pressure release. Then as much of the deadwood as possible - of course, that bits much harder.

My point is, from here on in, the net flow of money is into the club, not out of it.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

I'd say out of the current midfield crop you could maybe accommodate 1.

Maybe we get lucky, Coulibaly is the real deal and he can avoid is making one further signing.

But to me, you might keep Fleck in if he can get back to previous but you need a good athlete in there with height nad pace. Same with Norwood.

Berge I'd also go the same way. He won't be here, but I don't get see him as a great athlete. He's a great physical specimen at 6'5". But I mentioned on another thread, is his pace deceptive or is he big and moves like an oil tanker?

I'd say minimum 1 of the current guys but need 2 other starters.

Depends where you set the boundaries of an athlete. If you mean pace or sprinting over 10 yards, then Berge isn’t a great athlete. If, however, you include physicality which makes him near impossible to knock off the ball, then he’s an incredible athlete.

 

[Champagneblade]

Depends where you set the boundaries of an athlete. If you mean pace or sprinting over 10 yards, then Berge isn’t a great athlete. If, however, you include physicality which makes him near impossible to knock off the ball, then he’s an incredible athlete.

He wasn't an incredible athlete when Leeds dispossessed him and Bamford scored the winner earlier in the season

We hope he will grow to be that Yaya Toare presence but I feel sadly it will be his next club who reaps that benefit.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

He wasn't an incredible athlete when Leeds dispossessed him and Bamford scored the winner earlier in the season

We hope he will grow to be that Yaya Toare presence but I feel sadly it will be his next club who reaps that benefit.

I thought the consensus view on that was that it was a foul.

 

[BushBlade]

Yes, I think Wilder's style of football served us well before this season. But it feels like the journey has ended, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to have another manager try to get things going again. Maybe a fresh new start with a bit of a clear out is what we need.

Five things with Blessin's football that would be very different from what we've been seeing:

• Pressing (this used to be a feature under Wilder, but we've lost the ability this season)
• More youth (Wilder built a team of players getting into their peak, leading to a downfall after the peak season 2019/20)
• Focus on transitions/breaks (Wilder developed a style where the team was good enough to break down teams playing possession football, especially before the Premier seasons)
• More flexibility in terms of formation
• Looking more abroad for signings

Signings made by Oostende under him:

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“He” didn’t sign those players though. He just agreed to them being signed. Oostende are owned by the same “money ball” consortium that owns Barnsley.

So, we’re either going down the same route or we’re looking at the wrong type of manager.

 

[Rodley]

“He” didn’t sign those players though. He just agreed to them being signed. Oostende are owned by the same “money ball” consortium that owns Barnsley.

So, we’re either going down the same route or we’re looking at the wrong type of manager.

Seems a huge number of players he’s signed as well if those are all Blessin.

 

[Addison]

I thought the consensus view on that was that it was a foul.

Wasn't even a consensus. It was fact as confirmed by Riley to CW later when he acknowledged this along with the Egan sending off were the wrong decisions.

 

[Bergen Blade]

“He” didn’t sign those players though. He just agreed to them being signed. Oostende are owned by the same “money ball” consortium that owns Barnsley.

So, we’re either going down the same route or we’re looking at the wrong type of manager.

I tried to phrase it to take the possibility of your description also into account.

I reckon managers in these setups also take part in recruitment discussions though.

 

[BushBlade]

I tried to phrase it to take the possibility of your description also into account.

I reckon managers in these setups also take part in recruitment discussions though.

He’ll definitely have input but I doubt he has his own scouts, like Wilder had Mitchell and his team. So, if he comes here, we’ll need a similar set up to Oostende, despite PA recently saying we’re not getting a DoF. I think Jokanovic is similar too, I think Watford have people responsible for recruitment and Fulham definitely signed players (including some I don’t think he wanted, when they got promoted) so it appears we’re going down this route. That’s the point I was making.

Who we bring in to oversee recruitment has to be as good an appointment as the manager.

 

[Champagneblade]

Wasn't even a consensus. It was fact as confirmed by Riley to CW later when he acknowledged this along with the Egan sending off were the wrong decisions.

Massive help wasn't it? How many points is a Mike Riley apology worth these days?

 

[jono_t2000]

Yes, I think Wilder's style of football served us well before this season. But it feels like the journey has ended, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to have another manager try to get things going again. Maybe a fresh new start with a bit of a clear out is what we need.

Five things with Blessin's football that would be very different from what we've been seeing:

• Pressing (this used to be a feature under Wilder, but we've lost the ability this season)
• More youth (Wilder built a team of players getting into their peak, leading to a downfall after the peak season 2019/20)
• Focus on transitions/breaks (Wilder developed a style where the team was good enough to break down teams playing possession football, especially before the Premier seasons)
• More flexibility in terms of formation
• Looking more abroad for signings

Signings made by Oostende under him:

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I really like how they flood the box with players when going forward. You'll often see 4 or 5 players in the opposition box

unlike with us when we get into a dangerous area, you look in the box and no-one is in there (apart from maybe Bogle ghosting in)

 

[jono_t2000]

If the Prince has genuinely gone on record saying he wants to make money out of an investment in a football club I think he’s been poorly advised and is a little naive.

Selling Berge, jettisoning the surplus / fringe players, and spending c. £15m to £20m should be achievable. If we’re doing the first two and then still rummaging in the bargain bin, I’ll be very worried. It means our trip up to the PL has basically been for naught.

Misquoted, what he said was you don't make any money in the championship and wanted to get back to premier league as quickly as possible.

I don't think it will be as much wheeling and dealing as alcoblade suggests as PA knows you need to spend money to make money.

What I would imagine is a much more international setup with the brightest youngest talents from Europe (who meet work permit requirements) coming in.

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

Will he stop the coach to get cans on the way home from matches?

 

[Scarebus]

Will he stop the coach to get cans on the way home from matches?

Nothing like 36 bottles of luke warm alcohol free Erdinger to get the team firing.