Alan Biggs questions to the owners

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Chali 2na said:
Should have known it would be the fans fault.

You're a broken record.
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Quite sensitive on this subject aren't you?

Of course I'm not blaming our fans for the situation. But our fans have no voice and no impact whatsoever. Tell me I'm wrong.
 

Ricky said:
Quite sensitive on this subject aren't you?

Of course I'm not blaming our fans for the situation. But our fans have no voice and no impact whatsoever. Tell me I'm wrong.
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I'm as sensitive as you are repetitive.

In terms of this negotiation, you're right: our fans have no impact. This is because the only 2 parties who have any influence over negotiations are the 2 co-owners.

What impact would you expect? What options do we have, as fans, that we're yet to exercise?
 
Chali 2na said:
I'm as sensitive as you are repetitive.

In terms of this negotiation, you're right: our fans have no impact. This is because the only 2 parties who have any influence over negotiations are the 2 co-owners.

What impact would you expect? What options do we have, as fans, that we're yet to exercise?
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I'd just expect us to do all we can to try and pressure them into finding a resolution, using Wilder's possible exit as a reason for urgency.

Losing Wilder would be a disaster. We couldn't get anyone similar, more suitable or better. If he left and the fans hadn't done all they could to prevent it, it would be a very bitter pill to swallow.

In terms of options and what we have... we have numbers. We're a big club. With a bit of organisation it shouldn't be difficult to make ourselves heard, even through the local media. But our fans seem averse to this sort of thing. It's better to just whinge.
 
Ricky said:
I'd just expect us to do all we can to try and pressure them into finding a resolution, using Wilder's possible exit as a reason for urgency.

Losing Wilder would be a disaster. We couldn't get anyone similar, more suitable or better. If he left and the fans hadn't done all they could to prevent it, it would be a very bitter pill to swallow.
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We could let his tyres down.
 
Ricky said:
In terms of options and what we have... we have numbers. We're a big club. With a bit of organisation it shouldn't be difficult to make ourselves heard, even through the local media. But our fans seem averse to this sort of thing. It's better to just whinge.
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Shoes off in car park?
 
Ricky said:
I'd just expect us to do all we can to try and pressure them into finding a resolution, using Wilder's possible exit as a reason for urgency.

Losing Wilder would be a disaster. We couldn't get anyone similar, more suitable or better. If he left and the fans hadn't done all they could to prevent it, it would be a very bitter pill to swallow.

In terms of options and what we have... we have numbers. We're a big club. With a bit of organisation it shouldn't be difficult to make ourselves heard, even through the local media. But our fans seem averse to this sort of thing. It's better to just whinge.
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I know losing Wilder would be a disaster, and based on the fact that since HRH's arrival, our managers have comprised of Weir, Clough, Morgan & Adkins prior to Wilder, I suspect they understand his importance too.

I asked you what role, and what actions we could take, as a fanbase, to accelerate the process and influence the owners. Your response appears to be to make ourselves heard via the (local) media.

Do you think McCabe or HRH would respond to questions/demands from the fans (organised through the media or not) during negotiations?
 
Chali 2na said:
I know losing Wilder would be a disaster, and based on the fact that since HRH's arrival, our managers have comprised of Weir, Clough, Morgan & Adkins prior to Wilder, I suspect they understand his importance too.

I asked you what role, and what actions we could take, as a fanbase, to accelerate the process and influence the owners. Your response appears to be to make ourselves heard via the (local) media.

Do you think McCabe or HRH would respond to questions/demands from the fans (organised through the media or not) during negotiations?
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Absolutely not, and I’m struggling to remember a single occasion when the board have listened to the fans, and I go back 57 years. Mick Jones, Alan Birchenall, Tony Currie, the Kyles etc.etc. - not a glimmer of a response from them.

They have all the cards, from Dick Wragg to Kevin McCabe, and they have no need of dialogue, no matter how urgent or serious the fans deem the situation to be. As Chali 2na rightly says, the negotiations will be uppermost in their minds, despite our real concerns about the manager’s position.

Not trying to be negative, but realistic - I suspect that they don’t want CW to leave as much as us, but the old saying of horse before cart is very relevant here
 
Dronfield Blade said:
Shoes off in car park?
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That's my favoured option. I have several pairs which are surplus to requirements and I could make a big impact chucking my Loake Brogues and Barkers dual tone at anyone. Incidentally I also have a pair of red Mark Nason from San Francisco size 8 which are worth a few bob. Offers please before they get lobbed at CW/KM/DFPOFA.
 
Keen Blade said:
My best policy is not to comment directly on the preceding posts , because I am in no one's clique and I haven't time to investigate whether they exist or not , let alone worry about who any members might be. Not only am not a member but also I never wish to be accidentally seen as such.
As I have seen previously , "play the post , not the poster" is a good motto.
The same poster can be in various different mindsets at the time of posting , ranging from negative to positive , angry or euphoric.
My last word in this particular thread is that I don't personally believe we will go bust , but too many on this forum (and I don't mean ANY of the posters on THIS THREAD except Hamburg) don't even consider that it's a possibility , which it certainly is , albeit remote.
I realize that our views can't influence the minds of multimillionaire businessmen .... Like we can't influence Wilder's team selection ..... But it doesn't stop us talking about such things and occasionally being influenced ourselves by the views of others who love the club.
Obviously I shall be staying - I learn a lot on here !
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Sorry Keen Blade, but you're making out you mooted a slight possibility that the club could go bust, as you now say "albeit remote". That is not what you said. You made out that we were on the brink of the club ceasing to exist. We haven't even heard that the talks have met a dead end, or that neither party wants to own the club, or that neither have the money to carry on, let alone that McCabe is preparing to liquidate the company.
"Implode under the pressure of ridiculous wages and fees" you said, yet if the burden was that great (despite every man and his dog complaining about us doing everything on the cheap and not spending anything in the JTW) why would McCabe be trying to oust a partner shouldering 50% of the costs?
Your post made Corporal Jones look like a stoic rock in the face of adversary, no matter how much you try and pretend you said something different.
I doubt I am alone in believing the club will not imminently cease to exist.
 

I'm ashamed to be a member of a forum when One of the owners can't do what he's supposed to do even though he doesn't know what he's supposed to do because the person who has told him what he has to do hasn't explained it and is clearly insane.

Anyway, dog season tickets....
 
Chali 2na said:
Do you think McCabe or HRH would respond to questions/demands from the fans (organised through the media or not) during negotiations?
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I don't know, I just think serious pressure and publicity could only accelerate the process, and maybe help make them less complacent.
 
Ricky said:
I'd just expect us to do all we can to try and pressure them into finding a resolution, using Wilder's possible exit as a reason for urgency.

Losing Wilder would be a disaster. We couldn't get anyone similar, more suitable or better. If he left and the fans hadn't done all they could to prevent it, it would be a very bitter pill to swallow.

In terms of options and what we have... we have numbers. We're a big club. With a bit of organisation it shouldn't be difficult to make ourselves heard, even through the local media. But our fans seem averse to this sort of thing. It's better to just whinge.
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Make no mistake, Wilder is the best manager we've had in my lifetime, he speaks openly, honestly and i can't think of anything before now which i haven't agreed with.

So yes, losing Wilder would be a disaster. My predictions for next season (with no changes) would be 8th or above with Wilder, 17th or below without. I think his managerial expertise is that much of a difference.

However, I think that whilst this is all the case, he's not bigger than the club.

I think if he takes a step back, he might realise that what he's said is extremely self centred, which is his right and prerogative.

But at some point he needs to realise that this current situation is not about Chris Wilder, despite what he has done for the club and will no doubt do in the future, should he stay.

SUFC long term is much bigger than the immediate needs of Chris Wilder, he's being up front and honest, but is walking a fine line of becoming a precious princess and i say that in the most polite way i can do.

The future of our club is being discussed and hopefully agreed and it will take as long as it takes, if Chris Wilder doesn't want to be patient, loyal and stick around through the hard times, then that's his choice, but he's said his piece, he's kicked the hornets nest in the media and rattled the irrelevant local journalist Alan Biggs into issuing demands.

Now Wilder has to make his preparations for next season with whatever resources are given to him.

Alternatively, he knows where the front door is if he doesn't want to do this. I wouldn't think any less of him for walking away, i would think much more of him if he stayed though
 
SwissBlade said:
Make no mistake, Wilder is the best manager we've had in my lifetime, he speaks openly, honestly and i can't think of anything before now which i haven't agreed with.

So yes, losing Wilder would be a disaster. My predictions for next season (with no changes) would be 8th or above with Wilder, 17th or below without. I think his managerial expertise is that much of a difference.

However, I think that whilst this is all the case, he's not bigger than the club.

I think if he takes a step back, he might realise that what he's said is extremely self centred, which is his right and prerogative.

But at some point he needs to realise that this current situation is not about Chris Wilder, despite what he has done for the club and will no doubt do in the future, should he stay.

SUFC long term is much bigger than the immediate needs of Chris Wilder, he's being up front and honest, but is walking a fine line of becoming a precious princess and i say that in the most polite way i can do.

The future of our club is being discussed and hopefully agreed and it will take as long as it takes, if Chris Wilder doesn't want to be patient, loyal and stick around through the hard times, then that's his choice, but he's said his piece, he's kicked the hornets nest in the media and rattled the irrelevant local journalist Alan Biggs into issuing demands.

Now Wilder has to make his preparations for next season with whatever resources are given to him.

Alternatively, he knows where the front door is if he doesn't want to do this. I wouldn't think any less of him for walking away, i would think much more of him if he stayed though
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Well said. as someone said earlier, Warnock got pilloried for gobbing off like Wilder and still does over 10 years later. However much we kick and scream, KM and the Prince aren't going to magically come up with x millions they haven't got. Neither is there a buyer on the horizon who's salivating at the prospect of pumping his life savings into us either. We are what we are and what we always have been. Just fucking get on with it.
 
snootyfenooty said:
Well said. as someone said earlier, Warnock got pilloried for gobbing off like Wilder and still does over 10 years later. However much we kick and scream, KM and the Prince aren't going to magically come up with x millions they haven't got. Neither is there a buyer on the horizon who's salivating at the prospect of pumping his life savings into us either. We are what we are and what we always have been. Just fucking get on with it.
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The thing with Warnock though was that whilst he spouted his mouth off, I don't really remember his mouthing off about the owners or things that should perhaps remain within the walls of the lane
 
SwissBlade said:
However, I think that whilst this is all the case, he's not bigger than the club.

I think if he takes a step back, he might realise that what he's said is extremely self centred, which is his right and prerogative.

But at some point he needs to realise that this current situation is not about Chris Wilder, despite what he has done for the club and will no doubt do in the future, should he stay.

SUFC long term is much bigger than the immediate needs of Chris Wilder, he's being up front and honest, but is walking a fine line of becoming a precious princess and i say that in the most polite way i can do.
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Definitely agree with that. It's time for him to zip it.
 
The problem CW has is not primarily about budget, it’s about a plan. Short, medium and long term.
What do we want to achieve, what are the projected time lines, what are the resources available and who does he discuss it with.
These are things that a small business sits down to discuss with its advisors at least once a year. We unfortunately seem to be run like a family shop that is being allowed to stagnate whilst the owners Plan exit.
Not only is a plan required to enable our management team and subsequently players and supporters to buy into it. But surely the owners need a route forward, however whilst ever they fail to grasp the nettle, they leave the club exposed to losing one of its best assets which will not only be expensive but damaging in the long term as people will see the light and realise that the only incentive for the owners is not the long term plan but the short term security of how much !
Talk about fiddling whilst Rome burns. This has been going on for months if not years and it’s needed a club employee to ask for a resolution, not only for his sake but for that of the club which he, you and I seem to value so much higher than our owners.
 
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finlaytheblade said:
Both owners are businessmen so this impass suits neither ,got to be resolved quickly and they know it.
Whoever takes control has a great opportunity to kick on but time and tide wait for no one .
I want McCabe to take control . He's made mistakes and the prince is the latest one but he always has the best interests of the club at heart.
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Isn't the wanting to retire / not wanting to invest money McCabe, the stand still option?
 
Where is Sunjihai with his not so in the know in the know info?
 
Ricky said:
Definitely agree with that. It's time for him to zip it.
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This is where i am slightly torn as i do like the way he speaks freely, but he has to also realise that he is in a very powerful position and local Media and fans listen to him. The fact that Biggs has also stirred the pot should be enough to show him that perhaps he's close to the line now...

Its a unique position, but who's to say that the owners don't turn around and fire him for the way he speaks... Its not near that yet, but its always possible
 
Sean Thornton said:
You have to laugh at paddys.

If anyone does have even half a clue on that tweet it will be Wit. Which - get ready sandy vaginas - could possibly mean his bezzy does as well. Shock fucking horror eh!
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What was paddys reply?
 
If the owners fire CWfir asking the same questions that the supporters have wanted answers to for years they will further alienate themselves from their client base.
They are both driven by money and I subsequently cannot see a logical reason why they would willingly let him go.
Then again McCabe seems to practise illogical decisions and HRH never says anything and has apparently no wish to engage with his client base, I may subsequently have answered my own question.
 

bertieblade said:
If the owners fire CWfir asking the same questions that the supporters have wanted answers to for years they will further alienate themselves from their client base.
They are both driven by money and I subsequently cannot see a logical reason why they would willingly let him go.
Then again McCabe seems to practise illogical decisions and HRH never says anything and has apparently no wish to engage with his client base, I may subsequently have answered my own question.
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Fire him?
 
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