Adkins Waffle - post Scunny

[1danewhitehouse]

He mentioned twice about moving 25 players on this season, I presume he is talking about loan players because I cannot believe we have moved anywhere near that, unless he is talking about players moving on next week? To me moving players on is permanently not out on loan.

Yeah he means including loans. Still struggling to see 25 though.


1. Higdon

2. McNulty

3. Harris

4. Wallace

5. Alcock

6. DCL

7. Collins

8. Kennedy

9. Banton

10. Brooks

11. Hamilton

12. Khan

13. Dimaio

14. Freeman

15. Willis

16. Scougall

17. JCR

18. Murphy


Unless he’s counting those the club lost at the end of last season before he came in.


Doyle

Davies

Davies

Turner

Holt

Scarisbrick



Think we might have released a few more youths as well at the same time as Khan. There’s also the suspended Baxter.


S0 25 might be a slight stretch but that list shows he’s moved an awful lot of players out whilst only brining in 2 permanent signings and 4 loans. He’s got things wrong this season but that list gives an idea of the size of the task on his hands.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I don't think he's going to 'stop talking bollocks' if he stays. Surely it'll be a matter of the team performing better and still listening to interviews straight out of the Josef Goebbels school of bullshit.

It’s amazing how the performance of the team affects the perception of the interviews though. If we’re winning, his interviews will seem better. Clough was lauded for his use of the royal “we” when we were winning (sharing the credit, team ethic etc.) then when we were doing shit, the same thing was seen as not taking responsibility etc. Performances is what matters.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Seriously? He needs to take the blame for an awful season, even IF he keeps his job.

Until the manager and players accept responsibility for their failings, we won't move forward

There’s a culture from top to bottom of not taking responsibility at this club. The chairman’s main explanation for a decade of failure is luck. Why should the rest be any different?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Agreed, though I can just about forgive him here, just after the game.

Within the next week he needs to do a straight talking interview. Accepting that we've been and are gash, that lots of the players are not good enough, and pointing out what he's going to do about it.

UTB

Agreed. And to release a retailed list no longer than “George Long”.


Then we need to really get the wheels in motion in terms of recruitment. Perhaps see if Cloughy fancies a Coutts for Akins swap deal?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I’ve defended Adkins for a long time. But criticism of the fans never goes down well with me. Yes we have our chunk of knuckle dragging morons like everyone else but this is the worst season in many of our lifetimes and the frustration (mainly aimed at the players) is entirely justified. If he wants to see what our fans are really like, I suggest he watches a video of our FA cup semi final against Hull and in particular, the moment when Hull’s 5th goal went in prompting a spontaneous standing ovation from around 30,000 of our fans to show appreciation for our beaten team’s efforts. How many other teams have had that from their fans in a game where they have lost conceding 5 goals?


I still think our best chance of going up next season comes from sticking with him and letting him overhaul the squad. But he has done himself no favours whatsoever there.

 

[Grecian2000]

If he wants to see what our fans are really like, I suggest he watches a video of our FA cup semi final against Hull and in particular, the moment when Hull’s 5th goal went in prompting a spontaneous standing ovation from around 30,000 of our fans to show appreciation for our beaten team’s efforts. How many other teams have had that from their fans in a game where they have lost conceding 5 goals?

Does such a video exist? I thought all Cup games had been erased from history as being irrelevant or "lucky".

Luckily I've only heard him speak once all season so have simply got it all second hand from WHF and his interpretation. Couldn't give a shite what he says (he's just another thick ex footballer in truth) but am very interested in what he does. For the season I'd go 4 out of 10, he gets another go from me but if it's not a 9 or 10 next season he's out.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Does such a video exist? I thought all Cup games had been erased from history as being irrelevant or "lucky".

Luckily I've only heard him speak once all season so have simply got it all second hand from WHF and his interpretation. Couldn't give a shite what he says (he's just another thick ex footballer in truth) but am very interested in what he does. For the season I'd go 4 out of 10, he gets another go from me but if it's not a 9 or 10 next season he's out.

I don't think he's just another "thick ex-footballer". The guy has I think a couple of degrees to his name as well as coaching badges. Players talk about the level of analysis he offers etc. I think he's a pretty bright fella (albeit an eccentric one) as far as ex footballers go. I really hope he can get the players in over the summer to implement his plans for the club.

 

[bornablade]

Does such a video exist? I thought all Cup games had been erased from history as being irrelevant or "lucky".

Luckily I've only heard him speak once all season so have simply got it all second hand from WHF and his interpretation. Couldn't give a shite what he says (he's just another thick ex footballer in truth) but am very interested in what he does. For the season I'd go 4 out of 10, he gets another go from me but if it's not a 9 or 10 next season he's out.

If you've only based your opinion on WHF summaries then I am sure you'll think we've got Guardiola or Mourinho in charge.

 

[spongebobblade]

Apologise? Damage he has done? Are you serious?

Maybe you should grow a pair and stop crying like a little bitch over something minor?

So you think slagging off the paying customer is fine do you?

Ffs fuckin clappers

 

[spongebobblade]

Apologise? Damage he has done? Are you serious?

Maybe you should grow a pair and stop crying like a little bitch over something minor?

So you think his critisism of the supporters will have enhanced his reputation amongst us?
I've got a pair thank you but when you've followed your team all over the country this year giving your support only for the boss to serve up utter shite then slag us off on the final day and I have the audacity to be critical of this you call me a little bitch?
Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. It was bang out of order

 

[SwissBlade]

There’s a culture from top to bottom of not taking responsibility at this club. The chairman’s main explanation for a decade of failure is luck. Why should the rest be any different?

In some ways I can agree with the Co Owner - Ched, Tevez, Kenny (drugs) Baxter (twice), Play off defeats (8 is it?). However, to an extent you can control 'luck' - You can have measures in place for drugs, you can have a back up plan for a player on trial for rape... and so on.

What can't be disputed is that the Co Owners have been trigger happy when it comes to managers and despite throwing all the blame at Clough and Adkins, they are in control and they as owners can put measures in place to manage spending and contracts. Clough has been blamed for having a squad of 40 players (along will Mal B.) however, at a certain point the owners can ask teh question why we have more than 25, 30, 35 players on the books.

Throughout the club people are accountable, but nobody more so than the Co Owners, because ultimately they sanction the key decisions, delegating the rest.

That doesn't mean we need to get rid of everyone at every level, it does mean that we learn from this last 2-3 years.

Don't blame everyone that's been in place before, accept the errors were made, rectify the errors and build for the future.

I really don't know where this all leaves Adkins now. Sacking him is not the going to guarantee an improvement, despite such a shocking season. It will leave us back at square one again.

However, leaving him in place must be done on the basis that he has to change some things. It hasn't worked this season and Adkins, as the focal point of the club, must be the first to announce that there will be changes. Its not to blame people, but to draw a line.

 

[YES Blade]

So you think slagging off the paying customer is fine do you?

Ffs fuckin clappers

So what has upset you so much that makes you demand an apology? Being called a moaner? Is that really that bad?

What is the damage done? Will thousands be demanding a refund on their season tickets if Adkins stays?

Just think you're being over sensitive to be honest, but we're all different I suppose.

For the record I wouldn't really class myself as a "clapper", the results clearly aren't good enough, however I believe Adkins is the best manager to lead us to promotion based the other managers who are realistically available to us.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

The awards do is tonight?! Be interesting to see what Adkins says if he speaks. Let us know anything of interest.

Re the interview, its clear that Adkins is frustrated and I bet with hindsight he'll regret parts of this interview. He at least didn't nesh it and give it to Andy Crosby to do the interview and he's never done that.He has also just been on the receiving end of the fans singing "you're getting sacked in the morning"! It think his interview is clearly a reaction to that. Adkins does understand the frustration and he stated that in the interview. He's clearly upset today and maybe (as hard as it is to hear as fans because we are suffering as fans and we are paying are hard earned money to watch this crap) we need to give him some leeway for today's interview.

Listening to McCabe last night NA going no where. This has been a year of transition

McCabe may well have to listen to his 50 / 50 partner on this one .McCabe has the knack of getting it wrong on managers , let's hope he finally gets it right with Adkins. To me Adkins had taken his bat and ball home , and he will either sees his contract out or he wants the compensation money . I bet deep down Adkins , being mardy , savvy , lost it , or not , knows he has the club over a barrel and one way or another can take us to the cleaners , with him being clever and a tier above us all.

To me he now more bothered about his reputation and kudos than he is about SUFC . I know all mangers are , but I am only bothered about Adkins , the league 1 Martinez.

Also contempt to supporters doesn't help and can be classed as a sign of desperation and weakness . Think about it positive Adkins.

 

[him behind you]

Why?

Because some have got different opinions.

 

[BushBlade]

In some ways I can agree with the Co Owner - Ched, Tevez, Kenny (drugs) Baxter (twice), Play off defeats (8 is it?). However, to an extent you can control 'luck' - You can have measures in place for drugs, you can have a back up plan for a player on trial for rape... and so on.

What can't be disputed is that the Co Owners have been trigger happy when it comes to managers and despite throwing all the blame at Clough and Adkins, they are in control and they as owners can put measures in place to manage spending and contracts. Clough has been blamed for having a squad of 40 players (along will Mal B.) however, at a certain point the owners can ask teh question why we have more than 25, 30, 35 players on the books.

Throughout the club people are accountable, but nobody more so than the Co Owners, because ultimately they sanction the key decisions, delegating the rest.

That doesn't mean we need to get rid of everyone at every level, it does mean that we learn from this last 2-3 years.

Don't blame everyone that's been in place before, accept the errors were made, rectify the errors and build for the future.

I really don't know where this all leaves Adkins now. Sacking him is not the going to guarantee an improvement, despite such a shocking season. It will leave us back at square one again.

However, leaving him in place must be done on the basis that he has to change some things. It hasn't worked this season and Adkins, as the focal point of the club, must be the first to announce that there will be changes. Its not to blame people, but to draw a line.

But we all know they won't learn. How many seasons have we even managed to have the same people on the board? How many times will KM say 'I regret sacking ....' or 'we got the timing wrong'?
That's the real frustration; that we don't learn, the club continues to go round in circles - get a manager, leave him to it, moan if he doesn't make an immediate impact, sack him, hamper the next manager because the last one overspent, sack him, get another, leave him to it.....and each time go for the polar opposite of what we've just had, so that each new man wants to rip it up and start again.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Apparently if it wasn't for wicked deflections we would be in the play offs ? Fuck off you clown. If it wasn't for bad foundations the tower of Pisa wouldn't lean either. Adkins is nothing more than a cockwomble of the highest order - doors over there suntan features, close it on your way out and FRO !!

Cockwomble?

 

[SwissBlade]

But we all know they won't learn. How many seasons have we even managed to have the same people on the board? How many times will KM say 'I regret sacking ....' or 'we got the timing wrong'?
That's the real frustration; that we don't learn, the club continues to go round in circles - get a manager, leave him to it, moan if he doesn't make an immediate impact, sack him, hamper the next manager because the last one overspent, sack him, get another, leave him to it.....and each time go for the polar opposite of what we've just had, so that each new man wants to rip it up and start again.

This is why i protested so much on here this season. Because we sacked the previous manager and the one before that etc, etc without a plan on how things would change. People mistook my whinging for loving Clough, but it wasn't so much my desire to see Clough remain, but have a plan to change things IF you sack a manager. My whole complaint to Phipps in October was that we sacked Clough because we didn't want Clough, rather than addressing the major issues in the club.

You're absolutely right, we need to break the cycle, but at the same time, we need to ensure that IF we sack Adkins, its with a plan in mind

 

[sheffielder]

Because some have got different opinions.

But you're not saying what yours is and why

 

[BushBlade]

This is why i protested so much on here this season. Because we sacked the previous manager and the one before that etc, etc without a plan on how things would change. People mistook my whinging for loving Clough, but it wasn't so much my desire to see Clough remain, but have a plan to change things IF you sack a manager. My whole complaint to Phipps in October was that we sacked Clough because we didn't want Clough, rather than addressing the major issues in the club.

You're absolutely right, we need to break the cycle, but at the same time, we need to ensure that IF we sack Adkins, its with a plan in mind

Can't argue with that at all. Pretty much sums up where I am too.

 

[Bayingblade]

Does such a video exist? I thought all Cup games had been erased from history as being irrelevant or "lucky".

Luckily I've only heard him speak once all season so have simply got it all second hand from WHF and his interpretation. Couldn't give a shite what he says (he's just another thick ex footballer in truth) but am very interested in what he does. For the season I'd go 4 out of 10, he gets another go from me but if it's not a 9 or 10 by Christmas next season he's out.

Corrected for you Grecian

 

[Grecian2000]

and if we'd stuck on Clough last summer on the back of a successful half season and a failed full season I'd have happily gone with that as a time scale. Less than 2 full seasons just doesn't do anyone any favours with me.

 

[him behind you]

But you're not saying what yours is and why

Sorry mate, misunderstood the "why"

I'm one who still thinks he can do a job IF (and it's a big IF) he's allowed to build his own side and is supported by the board in doing that. I think he will know that he needs to sign players who can keep up with the pace of the game as well as bringing the "right attitude" and won't be signing the likes of Hammond.

Continuously sacking managers and replacing them with the next poor appointment has proved not to work so I personally would like to see some stability and a manager given the time to do what he was brought in to do. I know, and accept, that a lot of people disagree strongly with me but, equally, there are plenty who agree. If this forum is a reflection of all fans' opinions, then I'm in the minority but speaking to mates who don't post on any forum, I wouldn't like to say. Who's right? If we stick with him, then time will tell. If we get rid, we'll never know.

 

[spongebobblade]

So what has upset you so much that makes you demand an apology? Being called a moaner? Is that really that bad?

What is the damage done? Will thousands be demanding a refund on their season tickets if Adkins stays?

Just think you're being over sensitive to be honest, but we're all different I suppose.

For the record I wouldn't really class myself as a "clapper", the results clearly aren't good enough, however I believe Adkins is the best manager to lead us to promotion based the other managers who are realistically available to us.

The damage done is that he needs to bond with fans and not drive a wedge between himself and us. Clearly his comments haven't helped and when you are criticised for following the club and helping to pay his wages it's an insult. If that's how he feels fine, but keep it to himself. Shame he couldn't have been so honest about the players. For the record I can also join in a debate and accept others have a point of view without calling them a little bitch. Enjoy your summer

 

[Bladesman]

This is why i protested so much on here this season. Because we sacked the previous manager and the one before that etc, etc without a plan on how things would change. People mistook my whinging for loving Clough, but it wasn't so much my desire to see Clough remain, but have a plan to change things IF you sack a manager. My whole complaint to Phipps in October was that we sacked Clough because we didn't want Clough, rather than addressing the major issues in the club.

You're absolutely right, we need to break the cycle, but at the same time, we need to ensure that IF we sack Adkins, its with a plan in mind

We are a club without a plan and have been for a long time. If things are not perfect at boardroom level then it filters all the way down.

Adkins seems to be trying to give us a long term plan regardless of how this season has turned out and the cheeky dig at some supporters. He is right in some respects that a few fans have been critical from day one, that said I don't see why it should effect the team too much.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

We are a club without a plan and have been for a long time. If things are not perfect at boardroom level then it filters all the way down.

I think we have 3 plans - McCabe's, the Prince's and the small cross section that overlaps and the latter is the one which prevails. this 2 owner's stuff isn't working and it is paralysing the club.

 

[YES Blade]

The damage done is that he needs to bond with fans and not drive a wedge between himself and us. Clearly his comments haven't helped and when you are criticised for following the club and helping to pay his wages it's an insult. If that's how he feels fine, but keep it to himself. Shame he couldn't have been so honest about the players. For the record I can also join in a debate and accept others have a point of view without calling them a little bitch. Enjoy your summer

I said you was crying like a little bitch, not that you are one.

Win matches = strong bond between manager and fans, lose matches = wedge between manager and fans. It's that simple, no one cares as long as we are successful.

What Adkins said wasn't in my opinion as bad as many are making it out to be, he shouldn't have said it but managers/players have said far worse about the fans. If you want him out cause of results and losing faith in his ability to get us promoted then fine, what I don't like is turning a minor issue into something major in order to criticise the manager further.

 

[Bladesman]

I said you was crying like a little bitch, not that you are one.

Win matches = strong bond between manager and fans, lose matches = wedge between manager and fans. It's that simple, no one cares as long as we are successful.

What Adkins said wasn't in my opinion as bad as many are making it out to be, he shouldn't have said it but managers/players have said far worse about the fans. If you want him out cause of results and losing faith in his ability to get us promoted then fine, what I don't like is turning a minor issue into something major in order to criticise the manager further.

I bet he came up with this seasons kit.

The bastard!

 

[Balham]

I said you was crying like a little bitch, not that you are one.

Win matches = strong bond between manager and fans, lose matches = wedge between manager and fans. It's that simple, no one cares as long as we are successful.

What Adkins said wasn't in my opinion as bad as many are making it out to be, he shouldn't have said it but managers/players have said far worse about the fans. If you want him out cause of results and losing faith in his ability to get us promoted then fine, what I don't like is turning a minor issue into something major in order to criticise the manager further.

I listened to that interview expecting to hear an outright criticism of the fans but didn't really hear anything of the sort.

It sounds like Adkins is well aware that Unitedites are quick (too quick?) to show their disapproval about what's being played out in front of them. The issue is that the spineless set of twats we've had masquerading as a first team this season have been too evidently going through the motions and not giving a shit that it's no surprise that the 18,000+ supporters in attendance week in, week out have been voicing their criticism.

The one thing Unitedites want above all else is a side that cares as much about United as we do. That; closely followed by winning games of football.

 

[SwissBlade]

We are a club without a plan and have been for a long time. If things are not perfect at boardroom level then it filters all the way down.

Adkins seems to be trying to give us a long term plan regardless of how this season has turned out and the cheeky dig at some supporters. He is right in some respects that a few fans have been critical from day one, that said I don't see why it should effect the team too much.

I disagree, when Adkins was appointed there were very few dissenting voices, because of his record and what potential he was bringing. Some (like myself) questioned the plan of getting rid of Clough, but the appointment of Adkins wasn't seen as anything except positive, in the main.

The questioning of Adkins came, when, after a full preseason he:

- Did nothing to address the centre half issue
- Did nothing to address the Centre mid issue
- Did nothing to move players out (natural wastage as a minimum)
- We got hammered, convincingly 4-0 on the opening day

It was very apparent that for the first half of the season Adkins was a puppet for the board, dancing to their tune, only in January when we weren't miraculously run away leaders did they react and start giving Adkins a bigger say

 

[spongebobblade]

I said you was crying like a little bitch, not that you are one.

Win matches = strong bond between manager and fans, lose matches = wedge between manager and fans. It's that simple, no one cares as long as we are successful.

What Adkins said wasn't in my opinion as bad as many are making it out to be, he shouldn't have said it but managers/players have said far worse about the fans. If you want him out cause of results and losing faith in his ability to get us promoted then fine, what I don't like is turning a minor issue into something major in order to criticise the manager further.

I said you was crying like a little bitch, not that you are one.

Win matches = strong bond between manager and fans, lose matches = wedge between manager and fans. It's that simple, no one cares as long as we are successful.

What Adkins said wasn't in my opinion as bad as many are making it out to be, he shouldn't have said it but managers/players have said far worse about the fans. If you want him out cause of results and losing faith in his ability to get us promoted then fine, what I don't like is turning a minor issue into something major in order to criticise the manager further.

Personally whether some regard it as minor or major he should have been professional enough to say nothing. We've asked for more honesty and less waffle in his interviews yet he refuses to be drawn into a debate about Hammond preferring to deflect attention on to us. He admits the buck stops with him so his dig was a bit of a cheap shot.
I'm undecided on him. I really want to like him and for him to succeed but he's shown us nothing whatsoever that he's the one. I would have expected something in 12 months. The jury is well and truly out