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I was at the far end of the away stand. It looked to us that Adams was about to shoot and was tripped in the area but he was then booked for diving. Seemed strange as there seemed to be no reason for him to dive.
Anyone closer to the incident to see whether it was a trip ?
 

It was a stonewall pen for me from halfway.

Pulled his leg back to shoot and Turton ran straight into the back of him. The reaction from him seemed to speak volumes, he looked devastated. Plus, why dive when you're one on one and about to shoot anyway?!

What was even more frustrating was 2 minutes later when the ref waved a dive away at the other end but didn't give a foul or book their player for the same thing.
 
MOD was full of refs making the wrong decisions.

Clattenberg should have sent of a L'pool player yesterday for a second bookable and bottled it.

The ref at crewe would have had to send off Turton yesterday - refs are bottling the decisions as the FA directive is to keep 11 v 11 on the field - it is ruining football.

If it'sa foul, get he fuckers off - they will sone learn.

UTB
 
I was pretty close to it and it looked like a dive to me. It's not the first time he's done it either, to add to all the other times he goes down too easily or slips.
 
Deej said:
It was a stonewall pen for me from halfway.

Pulled his leg back to shoot and Turton ran straight into the back of him. The reaction from him seemed to speak volumes, he looked devastated. Plus, why dive when you're one on one and about to shoot anyway?!

What was even more frustrating was 2 minutes later when the ref waved a dive away at the other end but didn't give a foul or book their player for the same thing.
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I was right in line with Che's "dive" and I think he was tripped. Turton (already on a yellow) was wrong side and knew exactly what he was doing. From his expression, he expected to walk and looked very sheepish. There was no logical reason for Che to dive and that incident could have been pivotal if we score the pen and they're down to ten men.
 
Noticed that Che in particular plus other Utd players appear to have problems with their foot ware gripping the ground. Keifff Edwards mentioned it yesterday
 
I haven't seen any replays but it looked a foul, Adams got in front of his man and clipped from behind?

Thought the ref on the whole was very inconsistent for both sides but we got the rub of the green on many occasions!
 
Blade56 said:
Noticed that Che in particular plus other Utd players appear to have problems with their foot ware gripping the ground. Keifff Edwards mentioned it yesterday
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Yes, I think he must have been wearing JCR's boots, which is presumably why JCR wasn't brought on :-)
 
Fulwood Blade said:
MOD was full of refs making the wrong decisions.

Clattenberg should have sent of a L'pool player yesterday for a second bookable and bottled it.

The ref at crewe would have had to send off Turton yesterday - refs are bottling the decisions as the FA directive is to keep 11 v 11 on the field - it is ruining football.

If it'sa foul, get he fuckers off - they will sone learn.

UTB
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Agree totally, the refs at the moment, and include the two asst refs and the 4th official, have no reason to make rational decisions based on the rule books. They are not held accountable by anyone for their decisions on the pitch. I really dont have an answer for how to make them accountable but until we do they will always come out with crass decisions that no one else can fathom or understand.
Money is the only way to make them see sense.
If we sat the whole refereeing team (ref,2 linos,4th off) down after the game and put their collective payment for the game in 10 pound notes on the table in front of them, then reran the game on the TV we could make money do things for us. For every decision that was made wrongly, that they could be reasonably expected to see, diving, shirt pulling, tackles which should have been pulled, the ref team should lose money from their pile. To start with this would mean them not getting paid but then they might use the rules as they should.
Will never happen but you get the idea.
 
Was level with edge of the box so fairly close and gut feeling was he was caught and went down. Probably a pen BUT he could have carried on but like so many yesterday didnt want the responsibility.
 
bogo40 said:
Agree totally, the refs at the moment, and include the two asst refs and the 4th official, have no reason to make rational decisions based on the rule books. They are not held accountable by anyone for their decisions on the pitch. I really dont have an answer for how to make them accountable but until we do they will always come out with crass decisions that no one else can fathom or understand.
Money is the only way to make them see sense.
If we sat the whole refereeing team (ref,2 linos,4th off) down after the game and put their collective payment for the game in 10 pound notes on the table in front of them, then reran the game on the TV we could make money do things for us. For every decision that was made wrongly, that they could be reasonably expected to see, diving, shirt pulling, tackles which should have been pulled, the ref team should lose money from their pile. To start with this would mean them not getting paid but then they might use the rules as they should.
Will never happen but you get the idea.
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The Rugby World cup has shown us how technology could be used.

Certainly at the top level - perhaps Prem and Champ it should be introduced in some way.

This is on the back of a very brave ref we had v Millwall saying he got both decisions wrong.

UTB
 
Fulwood Blade said:
The Rugby World cup has shown us how technology could be used.

Certainly at the top level - perhaps Prem and Champ it should be introduced in some way.

This is on the back of a very WANK ref we had v Millwall saying he got both decisions wrong.

UTB
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fixed that for you :)
 

Ricky said:
I was pretty close to it and it looked like a dive to me. It's not the first time he's done it either, to add to all the other times he goes down too easily or slips.
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Agree, from my vantage point 10 yards inside the half United were attacking, looked like he was trying to buy one to me, went down slowly and in stages. However my two colleagues next to me swore blind he'd been clipped and it was nailed on pen.
He's a huge disappointment at the moment, doesn't display any intelligence in his play and trying to use brute force far too often.
 
He has got his card marked for the dive a few weeks a go and now he will be lucky to get decisions like yesterday in his favour.

Refs are dickheads.
 
You'd suspect that refs in the league have probably been briefed on serial divers, and rightly or wrongly Adams might have fallen into that category. It was the same with JAF.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
The Rugby World cup has shown us how technology could be used.

Certainly at the top level - perhaps Prem and Champ it should be introduced in some way.

This is on the back of a very brave ref we had v Millwall saying he got both decisions wrong.

UTB
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Technology is the only way forward to have dubious decisions reviewed immediately. Refs will just continue to say they didn't have a good view, weren't sure etc etc.

I didn't go yesterday but even if clipped I want players to stop going down in an exaggerated fashion. It doesn't help. All Adams has got is 2 yellow cards.
 
sitwell said:
I really like Billy Sharp but one thing I don't is the ease at which he goes down ,it costs him as refs always air on the side of caution.
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Funnily enough, Billy went down at the merest touch in the first two minutes yesterday and the ref bought it and I consciously thought we'd got a weak ref. I agree with you, I hate that kind of falling over.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
You'd suspect that refs in the league have probably been briefed on serial divers, and rightly or wrongly Adams might have fallen into that category. It was the same with JAF.
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Billy Dearden, Colin Morris and Jack Lester were very good at winning penalties. It was the way they fell to the ground that convinced the ref to award the penalty
 
We were dead level with it and it looked a clear penalty. No reason at all to dive. Judging from how he plays it's just not in his nature either: he generally tries to stay in his feet and bulldoze his way through challenges.

As a side note I'm an anti-technology fundamentalist.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
As a side note I'm an anti-technology fundamentalist.
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It should be compulsory some of the cheating bastards in the premier league: ie (allegedly) Costa.

Also L'pools CM lucas would have had a 2nd yellow for the cynical challenge on a Chelsea player - L'pool would NOT have won that game.

If the ref v our game v Millwall had it, he could have reviewed both goals as we would have 3 more points.

West Brom would have got a penalty (as described by Pullis) and clearly showed in match video - cheating bastards are RUINING the game.

You be a fundamentalist if you want - players are cheating, cynical bastards - they need stopping.

FIFA could have done it with that cheating Brazilian bastard numerous years ago - hit in the bollox at a corner, hands on face, player sent off - cheating bastard.

They need stopping for the good of the game.

UTB
 
From the halfway line it looked to me as though Che's fall was an afterthought, and if he had gone down immediately on feeling the touch it would have looked more like a penalty. Having said that I don't know why he would have gone down in that position if he hadn't been clipped.
 

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